Why not hang Surabjit Singh?

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beena sarwar: i agree there should be no hanging - not just of surabjit singh, but of anyone. Reason: DNA evidence has revealed that even in the US innocent men have been put on death row. As a result, one governor (illinois i think) put an outright ban on further executions, and other stays have also started going slow on executions. in Pakistan there is all the more reason to believe that innocent people have been executed or are on death row.

Re: # 7 and 8. Sir you have put things in real perspective.
All over in developing areas laws are for poor and helpless people and if rhere is discrition then it is used against most poor people and for powerful is used to help them.

It is very ironic Lenin penned theme carrying Marxian ethos of weather of state in his famous treaties "state and revolution". The oppressiveness of state was vivid for americans like jefferson and other hand marxists also. Both considered state as oppressive appratus to supress people at alter of state supremacy. It was so oppressive many saints and sages over history just defied by abandoning and going to places where state has less control and people respected them for defying state.

One of reason English ruled better than natives was their fairness of treatment of law. My grand father use to say they were good people and fair to natives. He use remember a thing which impressed him. When he was working in school one education inspector came to visit and was happy to see things. Then in headmasters office sahib lit cigaratte , head master did not like , but his Chaparasi came told sahib it is prohibited , he profusely appologised and asked for forgivence.
Difference so transparant where state white wash black looted money and places so openly and making special exemptions for Mr and MRs Z and B. Now it has desensetised all rules or naturual justuice system.
They say Indian foreign service was considered better home civil service in england. As they had great responsibilites and do work and development. It is said top people use to prefer india service , then home civil and last africa etc. So india use to get best and brightest officers and intelligence has age and propensity towards fairness ?

Most standards british officers dealing with natives were far better than this present native govts. ( politics is other matter at higher level and they were suppress and exploit).

I t can be remembered british parliment started enquary and british viceroy killed himself.

Two systems one for poor and one for people who make laws abd bend them like rubber.

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Beena,

Very well said. It is high time we abolish the death penalty. Let us, for the time being at least, not confuse it with prisoner exchange etc. The death penalty is barbaric, period. Several studies have shown that it does not help in deterring crime. Sarabjit Singh has been found guilty by Pakistani courts. He should be put behind bars for life. But he should not hang. The same holds true for Afzal Guru in India.

Pavo has rightly pointed out that it is almost always that the poor guy hangs. I would like to add that "hangings" sprout from a barbaric political base (or "demand" if you may), from the US to Afghanistan. It is unlikely that uncivilized countries like India and Pakistan will abolish the death penalty in the near future. But, there is hope for the future. And it is because of people like you.

#20 Posted by GT,

Sarabjit Singh has been found guilty by Pakistani courts. He should be put behind bars for life. But he should not hang. The same holds true for Afzal Guru in India.

How's Sarabjit Singh comparable with Afzal Guru in India? One is ready to hang, while the other is begging for life.

There's no exchange here ... GT Bhai. No comparison.

I would say, hang Afzal Guru, and let this bharati sob live. Give him life imprisonment courtesy of Pakistani exchequer for his daily daal/roti for the rest of his days. Guru obviously doesn't look forward to that.

Besides, it will make the NGO types happy.

#21 Posted by zeemax:

I am against the death penalty. Whether, or not, Mr. Guru wants to hang or be hanged is besides the point.

singh should be freed because there is no legal system in pakistan.

All of the NAB cases have been dropped because mushy wanted it.

muktaran ami, initially no one was arrested, as in other rape cases in pakistan, now four sre sentenced to death because mushy wanted it.

benzir crime scene is washed clean while the generals crime scene is preserved.

there is no legal systen in pakistan. sighs case could be no better than the NAB cases. It coul;d be like the muktaran mai, mushy or some earlier general wanted it.

Pk legal system is a sham.

Jinnah said every Pakistani was “First, second and last a citizen of this State with equal rights, privileges and obligations.” He reminded them that even among Muslims there were “Pathans, Punjabis, Shias, Sunnis and so on”, and among the Hindus there were “Brahmins, Vashnavas, Khatris … and so on”. These distinctions had to vanish in the political sphere if progress was going to be achieved.
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At last pakistan is on teh path top progress per jinnah dictum.

In 1947 there were 23 precent non-mulsims. Now it is less than 2 percent. Ahmadias have been chased out or killed off. Shia doctors and other prominanr shias have vanished. Per the jinnah dictum, pakistan is an alomost homogeneous state ready for progress

Jinnah said every Pakistani was “First, second and last a citizen of this State with equal rights, privileges and obligations.” He reminded them that even among Muslims there were “Pathans, Punjabis, Shias, Sunnis and so on”, and among the Hindus there were “Brahmins, Vashnavas, Khatris … and so on”. These distinctions had to vanish in the political sphere if progress was going to be achieved.
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At last pakistan is on teh path top progress per jinnah dictum.

In 1947 there were 23 precent non-mulsims. Now it is less than 2 percent. Ahmadias have been chased out or killed off. Shia doctors and other prominanr shias have vanished. Per the jinnah dictum, pakistan is an alomost homogeneous state ready for progress

Sarabjit is the best person to tell us, whether he was spy/mastermind behind the blast. BTW, if he had entered Pakistan without proper document, he should have approached Pakistani authorities for returning back in India.

#21 by zeemax

How's Sarabjit Singh comparable with Afzal Guru in India? One is ready to hang, while the other is begging for life.

Are you sure? Afzal Guru did file a mercy petition and begged to be let off because he wanted to see his kids growing. I will see if I can find some references.

#27 by harish_hyd

The mercy petition was filed by Tabassum Guru, Afzal Guru's wife. Here's the reference:

http://www.rediff.com/news/2006/oct/03parl.htm

Small Spies Must be Hanged , While Bigger Ones Prosper

A.Amin


There is great talk now about hanging or not hanging this or that Indian or Pakistani convicted for spying.


Brigadier Tirmizi ex ISIs book profiles of intelligence states that Munir Ahmad Khan Chairman Atomic Energy Commission Pakistan was spying for USA.One of the editorials of Pakistan Times published in 1947 or 48 stated that G.Ahmad brother the first Pakistani Director of Intelligence Bureau a brother of secretary Aziz Ahmad was a British spy.The list is countless.ayub khan also refers in his diaries to the incident that Indian war plan was purchased in late 50s , what gohar ayub in glimpses from corridors of power states was sold by FIELD MARSHALL MANEKSHAW for a gardening set.Another Indian author I read also stated that Manekshaw had links with Brits.All these can be debated but the fact remains that in pakistanb and india only poor border crossers referred to in intelligence terminology are prosecuted.no one has charged anyone for genocide or for any betrayal at higher level. The law is basically for the poor man.in cases of espionage official secrets act of 1923 , no politician bothered to revise this arbitrary british law.Its so arbitraty that a man loitering near any armed forces installations can be hanged.No Pakistani politician made any attempt to change it.Even the Pakistani politicians failed to give the army personnel the basic constitutional right to appeal enjoyed in India.Thus while ZA Bhutto did allow this initially , he immediately took it back once the Attock Conspiracy took place.

If you look at the Pakistani politicians they are 80 % the descendants of those who collaborated with the British in 1857.
Statistics reveal that between 10 to 200 suspects in espionage cases are tortured to death by the armed forces intelligence agencies.No one is prosecuted.There is no record of these tragic victims of outright murder.The excesses committed by Pakistani law enforcement agencies armed forces , civilian intelligence or police can be fairly matched with Indian excesses in Kashmir.Why talk about plebiscite in Kashmir.What about a plebiscite in Balochistan or tribal area.

The grand party of crooks continues since 1947.Malik Riaz gifts expensive houses to army generals many of them sons of rankers and no one talks.But when Captain Babar was mistakenly and falsely convicted of removing a bulb from his office he was dismissed from army.Now we have Corps Commanders called Crore Commanders but they are perfectly respectable.

As I see it now the army and politicians in Pakistan have compromised.So the looting party will start with greater enthusiasm.I doubt if any new government will change anything.Musharraf is a mean mortal.He will go but the nexus of civil military corruption will stay.As long as this state exists.

no court sentenced general afzaal pakistani DMO or Field Marshal Manekshaw or Moraji Desai ex PM India to death.

Notes from Spynest published in many volumes from US documents captured from US Embassy Tehran state that Pakistani boss of military operations,custodian of Pakistani warplan was a US spy.The names include Sahibzada Yaqub also .Gohar Ayub Khan's memoirs state that Indian Chief Manekshaw sold the Indian war plan in 1950s to buy an expenisve gardening set for his wife which was then bought from paki intelligence money.moraji desai ex PM india was said to be a CIA spy.Its all economic . these death sentences for the poor man only.

As I understand that in Pakistan there is no law.One force is the army , another are the feudal-industrial politicians and thats all.Since the country was created by a small franchise not beyond 5 % of the population its a story of crooks looting the country.Basically financed by Muslim business classes from Gujrat and Bombay with support of Punjabi and Muslim feudals who were heavily in debt to Hindus this so called Islamic Republic was haven of all crooks.The situation continues till todate.Now the army generals again mostly lower middle class or middle class social climbers struck a deal with politicians condoning their scams by the so called NRO.This was done by Musharraf not for any idealistic reason but so that he is not prosecuted for his corruption.A magna carta of crooks.

It should be clear to anyone but the very simple-minded that, as the good Paki authorities keep reminding us, the bomb blasts in Pakiland are the handiwork of Indian spies. This is an inescapable conclusion given the secular and pacifist nature of Paki society.

I don't know why do we have to re-invent the wheel everytime we come across a predicament like this. The Islamic law on such kind of prisoners or condemned is very clear:

1. If there is a treaty between the two countries regaqrding exchange of prisoners etc.; obey the treaty first.

2. If there is an international law governing such criminals then obey the law first. According to Geneva Convention, the spies and un-identified foreign fighters do not have immunity from prosecution.

3. In Sarbjeet's case, the condition#2 applies. If he is found convicted of terrorist activities then not only the state but his victims, if alive, or the relatives of the deceased are party to it. If these people take Qisas (blood money)and diyat (compensation for loss of limb or injury) and forgive him, then he cannot be hanged. However, for the crimes committed against state property and infrastructure his left hand and right foot should be chopped off.

President or head of state has no authority to pardon any criminal - none whatsoever.

#31 Posted by Urstruly:

"I don't know why do we have to re-invent the wheel ..."

One is not talking about re-inventing the wheel. One is talking about changing a punctured wheel.