Beena Sarwar March 21, 2008
#33 Posted by VRV on March 24, 2008 2:10:36 pm
#31 Posted by Urstruly on March 24, 2008 11:58:16 am
What punishment does Musharraf is eligible for for the murder of hundreds - if not thousands - of Pakistani citizens?
N.B: I think the next of the kin of the victim(s) pardoned Sarabjit.
What punishment does Musharraf is eligible for for the murder of hundreds - if not thousands - of Pakistani citizens?
N.B: I think the next of the kin of the victim(s) pardoned Sarabjit.
#35 Posted by tahmed32 on March 24, 2008 4:08:59 pm
#29 munir khan was the project leader for the pakistan nuclear bomb. AQ Khan was subcontracted one of 17 steps involved in making a bomb. Being a self-promoter, Khan elbowed his way into publicity (e.g. holding a press conference after the 1998 explosions, when in fact he had been invited to attend the test only after requesting PAEC). I was told this by a PAEC man. The dislike for AQ Khan by the team responsible for actually building the bomb is public knowledge.
AQ Khan became world famous because of his making money for himself by selling Pakistan's nuclear secrets to all buyers, and thus putting the entire national strategic defense in jeopardy. Musharraf has been protecting him and his false image of being the "father of the pakistani nuclear bomb" for reasons best known to Musharraf. Perhaps the truth will now come out.
Munir Khan is another one of the heroes of Pakistan like the Chief Justice who have contributed greatly and without fanfare (of the Musharraf or AQ Khan type) towards strengthening the national defense. He is a true hero of Pakistan who made sure the nation is secure from any attempts by India to overrun the country as it did in 1971.
I dont know why you are trying so hard to defame this unsung national hero. But the truth comes out in time, and your ignorance will be revealed when one day this man's true contributions to Pakistan are made public.
AQ Khan became world famous because of his making money for himself by selling Pakistan's nuclear secrets to all buyers, and thus putting the entire national strategic defense in jeopardy. Musharraf has been protecting him and his false image of being the "father of the pakistani nuclear bomb" for reasons best known to Musharraf. Perhaps the truth will now come out.
Munir Khan is another one of the heroes of Pakistan like the Chief Justice who have contributed greatly and without fanfare (of the Musharraf or AQ Khan type) towards strengthening the national defense. He is a true hero of Pakistan who made sure the nation is secure from any attempts by India to overrun the country as it did in 1971.
I dont know why you are trying so hard to defame this unsung national hero. But the truth comes out in time, and your ignorance will be revealed when one day this man's true contributions to Pakistan are made public.
#36 Posted by majumdar on March 24, 2008 7:15:46 pm
Urstruly,
(However, for the crimes committed against state property and infrastructure his left hand and right foot should be chopped off.)
Before he is hanged or after he is hanged???
Regards
(However, for the crimes committed against state property and infrastructure his left hand and right foot should be chopped off.)
Before he is hanged or after he is hanged???
Regards
#37 Posted by akcheema on March 24, 2008 7:27:17 pm
Re: # 36; Majumdar bhai
I reckon one (hand or foot that is) either side of the hanging process should even things out..........
I reckon one (hand or foot that is) either side of the hanging process should even things out..........
#38 Posted by harish_hyd on March 24, 2008 9:42:34 pm
#31 by Urstruly
However, for the crimes committed against state property and infrastructure his left hand and right foot should be chopped off.
Is there an Islamic law for people who talk big from the comforts of their drawing rooms in foreign lands but are too chicken to live among the very people for whom they advocate these so-called laws? If there is none, I suggest chopping off the balls. These people do not possess the metaphorical balls anyways, so not having the real ones shouldn't make much of a difference.
However, for the crimes committed against state property and infrastructure his left hand and right foot should be chopped off.
Is there an Islamic law for people who talk big from the comforts of their drawing rooms in foreign lands but are too chicken to live among the very people for whom they advocate these so-called laws? If there is none, I suggest chopping off the balls. These people do not possess the metaphorical balls anyways, so not having the real ones shouldn't make much of a difference.
#39 Posted by raheel07 on March 24, 2008 9:48:07 pm
I also support that death penalty is not a solution or a proper punishment as in humantarian issue.
But the government could have surely give him life-long sentence because if he is a spy and is freed in few years imprisonment then the message they are giving across that hey we welcome spies, do your work happily, if you are lucky enough you will not get caught, or else it is just some years imprisonment.
As far as the legal access to people like fishermen who crossed the borders is concerned, I solely agree but it is a faulty system afterall. It can't also be ignored that some one out of them can be a spy too. I am writing this with government's perspective but my own opinion lies in friendship and open borders. Both countries need to work not alone but collectively in creating this awareness and feeling of humanity and friendship but how they will if they themselves lack these.
-Raheel Lakhani
But the government could have surely give him life-long sentence because if he is a spy and is freed in few years imprisonment then the message they are giving across that hey we welcome spies, do your work happily, if you are lucky enough you will not get caught, or else it is just some years imprisonment.
As far as the legal access to people like fishermen who crossed the borders is concerned, I solely agree but it is a faulty system afterall. It can't also be ignored that some one out of them can be a spy too. I am writing this with government's perspective but my own opinion lies in friendship and open borders. Both countries need to work not alone but collectively in creating this awareness and feeling of humanity and friendship but how they will if they themselves lack these.
-Raheel Lakhani
#40 Posted by VRV on March 24, 2008 11:06:18 pm
raheel07,
As for the fishermen's issue, it's tragic that these ppl who make livelihood by fishing on high seas are caught as if they stole the state secrets on high seas! It’s laughable to say the least. Indian/Pakistani Coast Guards can turn them away but there lies the fundamental reason of recurrence of trespass.
Fishermen in India and Pakistan operate with kerosene as fuel to run the 19th century boats. They dont have fishing harbours to dock their boats and store their catch in cold storages. The whole cycle of operations is still rudimentary. They bring the catch and their daughters & wives do separation and grading of the catch. The dealers come and buy the catch and cart off the goods to markets.
I talked to some fishermen who venture to high seas. They always say good things abt Pakistani fishermen. They exchange food and cigarettes on high seas. They help each other like a community.
Now forget abt GPS or any sort of communication setup for May Day messages for those hundreds of boats that venture out to Arabain sea everyday, they even dont have modern day boats that are equipped to be helpful to fishermen in all aspects of their tasks. They still use kerosene lamps at nights. Keep their catch in the hull of the boats
So in a way these ppl are innocent in aspects of the word coz they don’t have:
1. Proper fishing boats
2. No Fishing harbours with cold storages
3. No GPS or any sort of communication system to know their position on high seas
As for the fishermen's issue, it's tragic that these ppl who make livelihood by fishing on high seas are caught as if they stole the state secrets on high seas! It’s laughable to say the least. Indian/Pakistani Coast Guards can turn them away but there lies the fundamental reason of recurrence of trespass.
Fishermen in India and Pakistan operate with kerosene as fuel to run the 19th century boats. They dont have fishing harbours to dock their boats and store their catch in cold storages. The whole cycle of operations is still rudimentary. They bring the catch and their daughters & wives do separation and grading of the catch. The dealers come and buy the catch and cart off the goods to markets.
I talked to some fishermen who venture to high seas. They always say good things abt Pakistani fishermen. They exchange food and cigarettes on high seas. They help each other like a community.
Now forget abt GPS or any sort of communication setup for May Day messages for those hundreds of boats that venture out to Arabain sea everyday, they even dont have modern day boats that are equipped to be helpful to fishermen in all aspects of their tasks. They still use kerosene lamps at nights. Keep their catch in the hull of the boats
So in a way these ppl are innocent in aspects of the word coz they don’t have:
1. Proper fishing boats
2. No Fishing harbours with cold storages
3. No GPS or any sort of communication system to know their position on high seas
#42 Posted by Urstruly on March 25, 2008 6:40:48 am
Re: # 38
Sarbjit is convicted of very serious crimes which include carrying out three separate bombings in Lahore, which claimed the lives of 14 people and injured dozens. The Qisas (Blood money) and Diyat (compensation for injuries) is the law of the land. That is his only ticket to avoid hangman's noose. So far, all Presidents have been overstepping their authorirty to commute death sentences, which is the violations of Divine Law.
Unfortunately, in violation of Allah and His Prophet's command, the chopping off of limbs on opposite sides is not a law in this country yet. So if the blood money is accepted his sentence may be commuted to whatever the law says about damaging public property. Isn't it quite obvious now that God's Law is there to benefit us? Had this law been on the book no one would have dared blowing up people and public property.
Sarbjit is convicted of very serious crimes which include carrying out three separate bombings in Lahore, which claimed the lives of 14 people and injured dozens. The Qisas (Blood money) and Diyat (compensation for injuries) is the law of the land. That is his only ticket to avoid hangman's noose. So far, all Presidents have been overstepping their authorirty to commute death sentences, which is the violations of Divine Law.
Unfortunately, in violation of Allah and His Prophet's command, the chopping off of limbs on opposite sides is not a law in this country yet. So if the blood money is accepted his sentence may be commuted to whatever the law says about damaging public property. Isn't it quite obvious now that God's Law is there to benefit us? Had this law been on the book no one would have dared blowing up people and public property.
#43 Posted by GT on March 25, 2008 6:59:42 am
VRV - good post. harish_hyd, if I am forced to select one capital punishment, I would choose the one you recommend :)
#44 Posted by harish_hyd on March 25, 2008 9:38:00 pm
#42 by Urstruly
Isn't it quite obvious now that God's Law is there to benefit us?
Yaar Ursy, there were crimes even during the Prophet's time - supposedly the golden era of mankind. Otherwise, there would have been no need for such laws. And here you're talking about times when every single human being (okay, I may be exaggerating here but you get the point) on this planet is guilty of at least such things such as lying and paying bribes. If for every crime, a limb or a foot is chopped off, then this world would be left with no able-bodied human beings. And for even simple things such as washing your behinds, you would need someone else's assistance. As for us kafirs in India, the number of railway accidents would double because our favorite squatting place is beside the railway tracks.
Isn't it quite obvious now that God's Law is there to benefit us?
Yaar Ursy, there were crimes even during the Prophet's time - supposedly the golden era of mankind. Otherwise, there would have been no need for such laws. And here you're talking about times when every single human being (okay, I may be exaggerating here but you get the point) on this planet is guilty of at least such things such as lying and paying bribes. If for every crime, a limb or a foot is chopped off, then this world would be left with no able-bodied human beings. And for even simple things such as washing your behinds, you would need someone else's assistance. As for us kafirs in India, the number of railway accidents would double because our favorite squatting place is beside the railway tracks.
#45 Posted by majumdar on March 25, 2008 9:43:53 pm
Urstruly,
(Had this law been on the book no one would have dared blowing up people and public property. )
I suggest you guys launch a movement post haste to introduce this law in Pak. There will be no blowing up people and public property in Pakistan after that.
Regards
(Had this law been on the book no one would have dared blowing up people and public property. )
I suggest you guys launch a movement post haste to introduce this law in Pak. There will be no blowing up people and public property in Pakistan after that.
Regards
#46 Posted by ana on March 26, 2008 3:09:51 pm
Ms. Sarwar,
Just out of curiosity, did you write anything like this for our own people languishing in jails, sentenced for crimes they did not commit. Why did it have to take the death sentence of Surabjit Singh, whose execution has been stayed, and not that of poor illiterate Zahid Masih who was executed, for you to write this?
I could not have done anything for Zahid Masih, and I would wish no harm to come to the Singhs, but if your voice is an important one, why hang Zahid Masih? Singh going free obviously is not going to change the practices for our own people, even if helps diplomatically.
Apologize for the cynicism, if any. . . just curious.
Just out of curiosity, did you write anything like this for our own people languishing in jails, sentenced for crimes they did not commit. Why did it have to take the death sentence of Surabjit Singh, whose execution has been stayed, and not that of poor illiterate Zahid Masih who was executed, for you to write this?
I could not have done anything for Zahid Masih, and I would wish no harm to come to the Singhs, but if your voice is an important one, why hang Zahid Masih? Singh going free obviously is not going to change the practices for our own people, even if helps diplomatically.
Apologize for the cynicism, if any. . . just curious.
#47 Posted by laddu on March 26, 2008 4:28:05 pm
After elections , the Jaza-e-Jehad has increased amongst Paki momeens.
The script that has been implanted in their minds would run it's inevitable course.
More attacks on indian cities is expected from Paki momeens. More attacks are also expected on cities in west- especially Europe.
It would only stop unless Pakistan is dismantled!!
The script that has been implanted in their minds would run it's inevitable course.
More attacks on indian cities is expected from Paki momeens. More attacks are also expected on cities in west- especially Europe.
It would only stop unless Pakistan is dismantled!!
#48 Posted by shivsenna on March 26, 2008 5:35:37 pm
Re: # 47
Laddu, you are doing us more harm than good.
Laddu, you are doing us more harm than good.
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