Kamal Siddiqi March 24, 2008
#33 Posted by vengatramanan on March 27, 2008 3:29:25 am
Re: # 25
Madani Saab,
Its just imbecile when you try to speak about Indians' prowess in management. The very reason western countries look at India more favourably than China is for the quality managers India produce. I understand, from your many posts, that you have a good management institute in LUMS. Good for you. I am not sure about the number of the graduates it churns out and I have no way to verify the % who get placed in top companies.
All I can say is we have good quality institutes besides IIMs and ISB. Managemnt is a complex art and thats the reason Indians are more sought after for top positions. You keep hallucinating in your own world about the superiority of Pakistanis over the rest of the world when it comes to management.
C.K.Prahlad, Keki Dadiseth, Indra Nooyi, Vikram Pandit.....Its better you educate yourself else people will consider that as ramblings of an ignoramus.
Madani Saab,
Its just imbecile when you try to speak about Indians' prowess in management. The very reason western countries look at India more favourably than China is for the quality managers India produce. I understand, from your many posts, that you have a good management institute in LUMS. Good for you. I am not sure about the number of the graduates it churns out and I have no way to verify the % who get placed in top companies.
All I can say is we have good quality institutes besides IIMs and ISB. Managemnt is a complex art and thats the reason Indians are more sought after for top positions. You keep hallucinating in your own world about the superiority of Pakistanis over the rest of the world when it comes to management.
C.K.Prahlad, Keki Dadiseth, Indra Nooyi, Vikram Pandit.....Its better you educate yourself else people will consider that as ramblings of an ignoramus.
#34 Posted by treetop on March 27, 2008 3:33:18 am
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#36 Posted by tahmed32 on March 27, 2008 4:26:54 am
#33 ask madani sahib about the "rising sun" general musharraf.
#37 Posted by Kamath on March 27, 2008 4:54:22 am
Re: # 25 Ahmedmadani:
Yaar: Do you remember that some years ago, Pakistani Generals portrayed Pakistanis as 10 feet tall and one Pakistani soldier is equal to ten Hindoo ones.?
Well now if Pakistan turns out to be like you dream about, it might happen. It may turn out to be an Islamic Paradise!
Anyway, you may like to take a kup of hot chai and get off this grandiosity schemes of building new Red Fort in the heart of Lahore and raising the green flag and new Islamic Khilafat.
Wa Salaam,
Kamath
Yaar: Do you remember that some years ago, Pakistani Generals portrayed Pakistanis as 10 feet tall and one Pakistani soldier is equal to ten Hindoo ones.?
Well now if Pakistan turns out to be like you dream about, it might happen. It may turn out to be an Islamic Paradise!
Anyway, you may like to take a kup of hot chai and get off this grandiosity schemes of building new Red Fort in the heart of Lahore and raising the green flag and new Islamic Khilafat.
Wa Salaam,
Kamath
#38 Posted by GT on March 27, 2008 7:54:17 am
I am a bit dissapointed in this goody-goody article. Let me claim at the outset that I am a flaming liberal with a tiny bit of realism. It is clear even to a dodo like me that the primary objective of the coalition partners should be to survive, be it at the expense of dirty drainage and what not. The coalition has to "buy" support and for this it should dole out money left, right and center. Groups should feel that they have a stake in whatever this is ... let us call it democracy as we instinctively understand what it is with all its warts etc.
Now, it is quite clear that there is not a lot of money to "go around" (call it bribes if you may). So spread the honey amongst those who have not tasted it before. If there is not enough honey even for this then spread out power. Two things are important here to start with. Both are difficult but feasible.
1. Employ a sizeable number of (preferably incompetent) retired high level army types (with huge egos) in the secretary of defense. If such a thing does not exist then create it. At a lower level ask the army to designate high level serving officers (preferably competent). Choose the retired such that there is some amount of tension between these two categories on say the WOT. Choose a nincompoop as the defense minister (for example he could be a lawyer without any experience of defense). In all policy and finance matter randomly choose amongst the proposals, such that the serving types win 60% of the times and the retired guys win 40% of the times. Do not worry about the "goodness" of the policy. And do not allow the guys to co-operate.
2. Ask the jihadis (say the radio jock) to nominate two persons (of course this should be done secretly). Make them cabinet ministers with portfolios like "transportation" and "public distribution system" (if they do not exist then create them). Endow these ministries with huge budgets and give the ministers a free hand in spending and employment. The "secretaries" in these departments should be hired from the folds of the MQM. Give these guys no power over resources or policy but allow them to be as "corrupt" as possible.
One step at a time ......
Now, it is quite clear that there is not a lot of money to "go around" (call it bribes if you may). So spread the honey amongst those who have not tasted it before. If there is not enough honey even for this then spread out power. Two things are important here to start with. Both are difficult but feasible.
1. Employ a sizeable number of (preferably incompetent) retired high level army types (with huge egos) in the secretary of defense. If such a thing does not exist then create it. At a lower level ask the army to designate high level serving officers (preferably competent). Choose the retired such that there is some amount of tension between these two categories on say the WOT. Choose a nincompoop as the defense minister (for example he could be a lawyer without any experience of defense). In all policy and finance matter randomly choose amongst the proposals, such that the serving types win 60% of the times and the retired guys win 40% of the times. Do not worry about the "goodness" of the policy. And do not allow the guys to co-operate.
2. Ask the jihadis (say the radio jock) to nominate two persons (of course this should be done secretly). Make them cabinet ministers with portfolios like "transportation" and "public distribution system" (if they do not exist then create them). Endow these ministries with huge budgets and give the ministers a free hand in spending and employment. The "secretaries" in these departments should be hired from the folds of the MQM. Give these guys no power over resources or policy but allow them to be as "corrupt" as possible.
One step at a time ......
#39 Posted by GT on March 27, 2008 8:58:45 am
#38 cont. ....
It seems that the Yanks do not have much of a problem with my suggestion #2.
"However, Negroponte said some hardliners can be "persuaded to participate in the democratic political process."" (Associated Press).
I am betting on this NS guy!
It seems that the Yanks do not have much of a problem with my suggestion #2.
"However, Negroponte said some hardliners can be "persuaded to participate in the democratic political process."" (Associated Press).
I am betting on this NS guy!
#40 Posted by GT on March 27, 2008 9:23:13 am
Arjun,
You are getting old and you may be on the verge of getting stuff wrong. Check out what NS is saying (New York Times):
" “If America wants to see itself clean of terrorists, we also want that our villages and towns should not be bombed,” he said at a news conference here. Mr. Sharif, a former prime minister, added he was unable to give Mr. Negroponte “a commitment” on fighting terrorism.
The statements by Mr. Sharif, and the cool body language in the televised portions of his encounter with Mr. Negroponte, were just part of the sea change in Pakistan’s domestic politics that is likely to impose new limits on how Washington fights militants within Pakistan’s borders.
.......
“If I can use an American expression, there is a new sheriff in town,”"
HAIL THE NEW SHERIFF .... plus all the zindabads etc.
You are getting old and you may be on the verge of getting stuff wrong. Check out what NS is saying (New York Times):
" “If America wants to see itself clean of terrorists, we also want that our villages and towns should not be bombed,” he said at a news conference here. Mr. Sharif, a former prime minister, added he was unable to give Mr. Negroponte “a commitment” on fighting terrorism.
The statements by Mr. Sharif, and the cool body language in the televised portions of his encounter with Mr. Negroponte, were just part of the sea change in Pakistan’s domestic politics that is likely to impose new limits on how Washington fights militants within Pakistan’s borders.
.......
“If I can use an American expression, there is a new sheriff in town,”"
HAIL THE NEW SHERIFF .... plus all the zindabads etc.
#42 Posted by GT on March 27, 2008 9:49:39 am
#41 Posted by zeemax:
OK, I will. What do you think of my suggestions in #38. I am serious about them (I do not mind slight variations).
OK, I will. What do you think of my suggestions in #38. I am serious about them (I do not mind slight variations).
#43 Posted by zeemax on March 27, 2008 9:57:14 am
#42 Posted by GT,
LoL ... yes i read them ... but those times are gone.
Not even # 2 will work. You see, these guys love death more than life, remember?
LoL ... yes i read them ... but those times are gone.
Not even # 2 will work. You see, these guys love death more than life, remember?
#44 Posted by tahmed32 on March 27, 2008 9:59:14 am
#38 Excellent ideas, GT. Nothing less expected from a"Great Unwashed-Not" soulmate of Hamidm.
Flip side: Nothing more expected either.
Flip side: Nothing more expected either.
#45 Posted by tahmed32 on March 27, 2008 10:01:08 am
#43 if "these guys" loved death, they wouldnt be hiding in caves.
#46 Posted by zeemax on March 27, 2008 10:04:47 am
#45 Posted by tahmed32,
Who's hiding in caves? I thought these guys were blowing up your towns.
Who's hiding in caves? I thought these guys were blowing up your towns.
#47 Posted by GT on March 27, 2008 10:12:45 am
#44 Posted by tahmed32:
tahmed sahib,
Are you calling me a soul-mate of Hamid? Sir, Hamid is a true islamofascist. He has invited Urstruly sahib to the local bar several times (and God knows what they do there together) ... but he has never invited me even once!
tahmed sahib,
Are you calling me a soul-mate of Hamid? Sir, Hamid is a true islamofascist. He has invited Urstruly sahib to the local bar several times (and God knows what they do there together) ... but he has never invited me even once!
#48 Posted by zeemax on March 27, 2008 10:21:56 am
#47 Posted by GT,
I have asked hamidm2 several times to take me to the eight mile strip ... but he never did ... :(
I have asked hamidm2 several times to take me to the eight mile strip ... but he never did ... :(
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