Agha Amin March 24, 2008
#109 Posted by nkg on April 1, 2008 7:58:01 pm
To Majumder and Vengat...
Nobody claims Gandhi flawless. He was mediocre brain and thus failed in many fronts....
Pakistan had no reason to hate Gandhi...He had not supported partition...but post partition, he had not shown any enemity against Pakistan...
Nobody claims Gandhi flawless. He was mediocre brain and thus failed in many fronts....
Pakistan had no reason to hate Gandhi...He had not supported partition...but post partition, he had not shown any enemity against Pakistan...
#108 Posted by akcheema on April 1, 2008 1:35:15 pm
Re: # 106; HP
"another point of view!" that is rich.
If you have children, why don't you look at their curriculum now and in the last few years; oh right you can't, as you don't actually live in the Pakiland do you?
Gandhi and Congress hatred was and has been synonymous in Pakistan and still is; I speak with personal experience looking through the history (from YOUR POV) so misrepresented anywhere else!
Are you trying to tell me that children now are taught their history for the last 5-6000 years of civilisation (apart from the mention of Harappa and Moen jo Dero) or does history start with Mohammed Bin Qasim; get a grip on reality "from another point of view"!
"another point of view!" that is rich.
If you have children, why don't you look at their curriculum now and in the last few years; oh right you can't, as you don't actually live in the Pakiland do you?
Gandhi and Congress hatred was and has been synonymous in Pakistan and still is; I speak with personal experience looking through the history (from YOUR POV) so misrepresented anywhere else!
Are you trying to tell me that children now are taught their history for the last 5-6000 years of civilisation (apart from the mention of Harappa and Moen jo Dero) or does history start with Mohammed Bin Qasim; get a grip on reality "from another point of view"!
#107 Posted by izuber on April 1, 2008 1:29:57 pm
Re: # 63
Dear Br. Madani
Aside from your overwhelming recommendation I was personally impressed having examined his publications for prospective reading at my own, however, I must say that if this masadi happens to be the one & same who authored those several books I cannot even think about a literate author of that level to act without any provocation in the manner this masadi has been acting.
Secondly, its very hard for me to perceive that reading the writing of an author who otherwise behaves in the manner this individual has been behaving while I had no direct communication with him up until he chose to use three & four letter words addressing my comments that were written in connection with another individual, I cannot accept that an author who chooses to write on such deep topics with the influence of Islam can be inflicting insults and calling names, as this action on part of anyone convinces me that they cannot convey the message.
I am sorry that I have lost all the regard for this person as I conventionally carry and extend to anyone addressing me.
I hope you will forgive me for having to post under the influence of feelings consequent to uncalled for attacks over and again by masadi.
May Allah bless all of us with peace, harmony and mutual regard for each other, and, forgive our shortcomings. ameen.
Thank you so much for taking the time to intercept for resolution.
Regards
Dear Br. Madani
Aside from your overwhelming recommendation I was personally impressed having examined his publications for prospective reading at my own, however, I must say that if this masadi happens to be the one & same who authored those several books I cannot even think about a literate author of that level to act without any provocation in the manner this masadi has been acting.
Secondly, its very hard for me to perceive that reading the writing of an author who otherwise behaves in the manner this individual has been behaving while I had no direct communication with him up until he chose to use three & four letter words addressing my comments that were written in connection with another individual, I cannot accept that an author who chooses to write on such deep topics with the influence of Islam can be inflicting insults and calling names, as this action on part of anyone convinces me that they cannot convey the message.
I am sorry that I have lost all the regard for this person as I conventionally carry and extend to anyone addressing me.
I hope you will forgive me for having to post under the influence of feelings consequent to uncalled for attacks over and again by masadi.
May Allah bless all of us with peace, harmony and mutual regard for each other, and, forgive our shortcomings. ameen.
Thank you so much for taking the time to intercept for resolution.
Regards
#106 Posted by HP on April 1, 2008 10:15:20 am
#105 Posted by akcheema
"speaking as a Pakistani, hatred for Ghandhiji is part of our upbringing."
Speak for yourself! your parents might have taught you to hate some people. I don't know which school system you went to in Pakistan, The ones I attended didn't have a word of hate about Gandhi or anyone.
Perhaps in your world reading history from a certain pov tantamount to hate, not where I went to school.
Btw, if you read what they teach in Indian school system, then you will know where all that hate on display here comes from.
Maybe they were teaching you hate in IJT study groups!
You don't speak for every Pakistani so please refrain from this "we" Sh!t.
"speaking as a Pakistani, hatred for Ghandhiji is part of our upbringing."
Speak for yourself! your parents might have taught you to hate some people. I don't know which school system you went to in Pakistan, The ones I attended didn't have a word of hate about Gandhi or anyone.
Perhaps in your world reading history from a certain pov tantamount to hate, not where I went to school.
Btw, if you read what they teach in Indian school system, then you will know where all that hate on display here comes from.
Maybe they were teaching you hate in IJT study groups!
You don't speak for every Pakistani so please refrain from this "we" Sh!t.
#105 Posted by akcheema on April 1, 2008 7:57:23 am
Majumdar bhai,
speaking as a Pakistani, hatred for Ghandhiji is part of our upbringing. By the same token, reverence for Jinah. Manto or anyone else, they can't think above that divide which is created very early on in life; same as people's ideas about religious belief etc.
You should spend some independent time by yourself in the country, talk to school kids as to what they get taught etc, it would be an eye opener. That is hardly a reason to give him the credit for being 'father' of anything!
What masadi says about Jinah is far closer to the truth than any of your other sources.
Cheers.
speaking as a Pakistani, hatred for Ghandhiji is part of our upbringing. By the same token, reverence for Jinah. Manto or anyone else, they can't think above that divide which is created very early on in life; same as people's ideas about religious belief etc.
You should spend some independent time by yourself in the country, talk to school kids as to what they get taught etc, it would be an eye opener. That is hardly a reason to give him the credit for being 'father' of anything!
What masadi says about Jinah is far closer to the truth than any of your other sources.
Cheers.
#104 Posted by guru on April 1, 2008 5:01:49 am
Re: # 102:
"
Btw why did they vote for him in the first place?
"
Islam is in danger! British sold ganja in China and political Islam in India. Subcontinental Muslims are still addicted to it. Our gandu is better than your Gandhi even though he represents crooks and criminals to make money.
Powerful west used crook coconuts who themselves were as foreign to the people whom they were supposed to represent as these coconut's master. The guy retired of all the places to UK. Proofs based on writing in Bennet Colman newspaper would be hard to find.
Are u guys paid to bs on this site.
"
Btw why did they vote for him in the first place?
"
Islam is in danger! British sold ganja in China and political Islam in India. Subcontinental Muslims are still addicted to it. Our gandu is better than your Gandhi even though he represents crooks and criminals to make money.
Powerful west used crook coconuts who themselves were as foreign to the people whom they were supposed to represent as these coconut's master. The guy retired of all the places to UK. Proofs based on writing in Bennet Colman newspaper would be hard to find.
Are u guys paid to bs on this site.
#103 Posted by vengatramanan on April 1, 2008 4:24:31 am
Majumdar,
Lol....You are a 'last word freak'......
Anyway keep digging reasons to slur Gandhiji...Happy digging and don't try to bring the small stone too close to your eyes...It will make you feel as though the world has dissappeared...
Gotta go to the gym...
Regards,
Again, Jinnah was not as good a leader as Maulana Sahib...He was intimidated to see somebody from his own community to be more intelligent and a bigger leader amongst the mass...
I don't see much difference between Bhutto's daughter oops son and Jinnah...
Still you can have the last word...
Lol....You are a 'last word freak'......
Anyway keep digging reasons to slur Gandhiji...Happy digging and don't try to bring the small stone too close to your eyes...It will make you feel as though the world has dissappeared...
Gotta go to the gym...
Regards,
Again, Jinnah was not as good a leader as Maulana Sahib...He was intimidated to see somebody from his own community to be more intelligent and a bigger leader amongst the mass...
I don't see much difference between Bhutto's daughter oops son and Jinnah...
Still you can have the last word...
#102 Posted by majumdar on April 1, 2008 3:47:22 am
Vengat,
(And after that?)
Pak was born. He continues to be revered as the Father of his Nation. And recently a survey indicated that over 40% Indians too give him high approval rating.
(Mpolahs and all other Muslims who chose to stay back... )
They stayed back it was impossible or if not difficult to leave. Btw why did they vote for him in the first place?
Regards
(And after that?)
Pak was born. He continues to be revered as the Father of his Nation. And recently a survey indicated that over 40% Indians too give him high approval rating.
(Mpolahs and all other Muslims who chose to stay back... )
They stayed back it was impossible or if not difficult to leave. Btw why did they vote for him in the first place?
Regards
#100 Posted by vengatramanan on April 1, 2008 3:16:33 am
The rest were swayed by the propounder of "Two Nation Theory". Not a single Muslim could have gone because of Jinnah...
#99 Posted by vengatramanan on April 1, 2008 3:15:12 am
Says who?
Mpolahs and all other Muslims who chose to stay back...
Mpolahs and all other Muslims who chose to stay back...
#98 Posted by vengatramanan on April 1, 2008 3:14:08 am
Re: # 96
"All colonial forces had to leave Asia..."
Why?
"All colonial forces had to leave Asia..."
Why?
#97 Posted by vengatramanan on April 1, 2008 3:13:27 am
Re: # 95
Majumdar,
"And yet he won a landslide in 1946!"
And after that?
Majumdar,
"And yet he won a landslide in 1946!"
And after that?
#96 Posted by Ananth07 on April 1, 2008 3:07:19 am
"No need to do that. The war of Indian independence was won on the streets of Paris, Berlin, Dunkirk et al."
All colonial forces had to leave Asia... after WW II. We should thank the Japanese for bringing and early end to uropean colonial rule.
All colonial forces had to leave Asia... after WW II. We should thank the Japanese for bringing and early end to uropean colonial rule.
#95 Posted by majumdar on April 1, 2008 3:06:01 am
Vengat,
(You are speaking about somebody who was not considered as a representative of the Muslims.)
Says who?
(He was a stooge for the British)
Proof?
(who had no popular backing)
And yet he won a landslide in 1946!
Regards
(You are speaking about somebody who was not considered as a representative of the Muslims.)
Says who?
(He was a stooge for the British)
Proof?
(who had no popular backing)
And yet he won a landslide in 1946!
Regards
#94 Posted by vengatramanan on April 1, 2008 3:00:27 am
Re: # 93
Majumdar,
Great...You are speaking about somebody who was not considered as a representative of the Muslims. He was a stooge for the British who had no popular backing and I don't think Muslims of that day could have taken him for a leader...
"No need to do that. The war of Indian independence was won on the streets of Paris, Berlin, Dunkirk et al."
I am stumped...
Majumdar,
Great...You are speaking about somebody who was not considered as a representative of the Muslims. He was a stooge for the British who had no popular backing and I don't think Muslims of that day could have taken him for a leader...
"No need to do that. The war of Indian independence was won on the streets of Paris, Berlin, Dunkirk et al."
I am stumped...
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