Small Spies Must be Hanged , While Bigger Ones Prosper

Majumdar,

Now tell us why did the Horrible Moplah's murdered the Docile Hindus?...

Can you exposit the Karya (Cause) and Karana (Effect) of the Moplah violence?

Re: # 75

Cheemaji,

"unfortunately Gandhiji made far too many concessions for minorities, both of Muslim and Christian backgrounds."

This is the reason for the hatred unleashed by RSS type Hindus on Gandhiji here on Chowk.

Re: # 74; Majumdar bhai

I for one think that just because someone has written reams and reams of stuff about anyone has basically done nothing but contributed to the greenhouse phenomenon and added to the misery of this planet.

Surely, if they were of any academic value, we'd know about them outside the narrow confines of this obscure website.

I don't for one minute dispute what you said in your post; unfortunately Gandhiji made far too many concessions for minorities, both of Muslim and Christian backgrounds. The whole point I made to you on the subject before was that he did it out of being naive and sincere; MAJ on the other hand was an opportunist of the highest order. This man played us (Muslims) for a fool in the name of a theology he knew nothing about and created the mess that is ours to bear for eternity.

I shall say no more on the subject for now as I have to get back to work; I am sure this will attract enough attention from all sides to "thrash it out" as they say!

Cheers and Khuda Hafiz (sorry I don't know the Bengali for Good Bye).

P.S.: In the interest of sucking up to this arabised version of Islam, my compatriots have even replaced the word "Khuda - Persian for God" by "Allah"; supposedly the omniscient and ever-present God can't work out the motives of the speaker for himself! or may be more Brownie points for the Allah-worshippers!! That is the process of Isolation and Cultural purification that MAJ started in 1947; you seem like an educated person; rather than relying on others analyses, why don't you read widely yourself on the subject (i have always despised the idea of 'blind' faith in absolutely anything!!

Vengat,

(And please don't put all your eggs on Manto's bandying abilities. Majumdar's logic is if a dog barks at the sun, the sun and the barking dog are equals.)

Majumdar may be an illogical person but I assure you YLH is not. He has written reams and reams of stuff about MKG's karnamey- you may read the same and come up with a point by point rebuttal.

Regards

Nkg,

(Those who blame Gandhi for partition, should take note of Yugaslavia,USSR...Without Gandhi/MAJ these states disintegrated....)

The blame game was strated by Gandhians who accuse MAJ (pbuh) of dividing India. Since Yugo and USRR broke up without MAJ's intervention (as you have wisely noted) I hope you will not blame him for the partition of India.

(so called oppressed muslims will not be able to get rid of the problem is the path they follow. )

I hope you are aware that "oppressed Muslims" first jihad in the sub-continent was in Kerala the Moplah revolt where the Momins murdered, looted and forcibly converted many Hindoos. And your great hero MKG supported these Moplahs!!! I hope you too support the Moplahs and their successors all over the globe!

Regards

Re: # 71
Correction...

Those who blame Gandhi for partition, should take note of Yugaslavia,USSR...Without Gandhi/MAJ these states disintegrated....

Re: # 66
Vengat...
Till YLH came on scene gandhi was Gandhji

Ans: The greatest contribution of Gandhi towards humanity, I have already told, uniting India. The by product of his ahimsa is visible in South Africa, USA. Tibet had yet to yield result beacuse of geographical problem. Why Kashmir, Palestine, Checheniya, Afghanisthan, Iraq etc. so called oppressed muslims will not be able to get rid of the problem is the path they follow.
How can you blame Israel, when people of arab settlements fire Katyusa rockets towards Israeli settlements?
How can you blame Indian Govt. of oppression/HR violation, when the tribals looted raped people of Kashmir and murdered thousands of Pundits?
How can you blame Russia, when jihadis killed students in Beslan?
How can you blame US marines, when morepeople in Iraq is getting killed due to Shia/Sunni battle in Iraq?

Comparing MAJ with Gandhi is something limited in the domain of Pakistan and Bangladesh. MAJ is limited to a single event (1947). He is remembered whenever Pakistan/Bangladesh is in news, that is also for bad reason (terrorism). M K Gandhi is somebody universal and his path is something, which is not limited to freedom struggle in South Africa or India. Being role model for 3 Noble Lauriates ( Mandela, Martin Luthar King, Dalai Lama) is not mean job!!!
Those who blame Gandhi for partition, should take note of Yugaslavia,USSR...Without Gandhi/MAJ these states disintegrated from the parent country...

Ahmedmadani Saab,


Mahatma Gandhiji would not have had any qualms to be called Gandhi if it would make you and your progenies happy...

Cheema Saab,

Sorry, if I contributed to your misery...

Ahmedmadani Saab,

For me MKG/Gandhi/Gandhiji/Mahatma means the same. I see him with the same reverance. You know we have the habit of calling Gods irreverentially to make God(s) look one among us.

And please don't put all your eggs on Manto's bandying abilities. I believe Manto in his quest to sully the name of the Prophet, he has started throwing mud on the Mahatma expecting a gullible Hindu Indian to reciprocate by sullying the Prophet. I don't have to explain why he would do that.

Majumdar's logic is if a dog barks at the sun, the sun and the barking dog are equals.

Comparing Mahatma and Jinnah, What can I say...it doesn't even qualify to be called a Comedy...Manto's techniques of claiming victories are very well explained by Masadi Saab.


Jinnah, Tom, Dick, Harry and XYZ are all people without controversies...simply because they are/were fence-sitters...Just because Jinnah criticized Gandhi on certain decisions doesn't mean that he would not have chosen those paths if he were the decision maker...Even Muslims did not have faith in Jinnah's leadership abilities and his goodness.

Don't you see why he stresses on Jinnah's secular credentials when Jinnah himself did not believe in a unified secular India?

Now tell me if why Manto would not attack the Prophet for the lack of secular credentials. His problem is, he can neither have a venerable figure in the Prophet nor afford to attack him. In a way he tells all the Pakistani Muslims the importance of secular qualities by coating the medicine.

Re: # 66;Majumdar bhai
"MKG is today one of the most hated and discredited political character on chowk."

common Majumdar bhai! give us a break. You should know better than that I reckon

Ahmedmadani sahib,

(Till YLH came on scene gandhi was Gandhji )

You are right. Till Yasser came along, Gandhi was mislabelled Mahatma. But thanks to his writings MKG has been completely exposed as a Hindu racist, casteist, fascist, misogynist, bigoted freak.

MKG is today one of the most hated and discredited political character on chowk. All thanks to Yasser!!!

Regards

Re: # 64
Ahmedmadani...
YLH? QAMA?
I am not follower of Gandhi...
He had adopted some of the ancient Indian philosophy (Upanishad - Satyameva Jayate etc...) which is core of Indian society.... During independence movement, he was the only leader, who had united India (Assam/Tripura to Tamilnadu/Kerala to Gujrat/Sindh...brought common people in Congress fold...the impact is even greater than Emperor Ashoka...It is definitely excellent achievement...

NKG and venkata.... Till YLH came on scene gandhi was Gandhji but after studying YLH and his selected works you will come to very differet conclusions. Its all peoples imagination and people wants heros and if not they create. Please study YLH impassionately, take out personal attacks etc. You will be following QAMA not M K Gandhi. Study of works of YLH will set you free .
Again suggestion

Re: # 61 Sir kindly read his books not comments about those books. Also please ignore ignorant and people who guard american policy line at any cost. Have you read Masadi? One needs to forget masadi but his thinking and commentry is refreshig and not copying from elite american magzines. Please kindly study Masadi in original. I have suggested Masadi to moderate but masadi is masadi. You need to accept as is he is original no fluff or flowery language or state quotations line after line , even pages. Some times people who are in that reformist mode are head strong as their ideas even dominate the way talk or write.Just like YLH is YLH or Jayp is jayp. THese are people charged with ideas and want to bend world.
Kindly forget personal attributes of personalitis and concentrate on message.
Just suggestion , THanks, good day.

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