Small Spies Must be Hanged , While Bigger Ones Prosper

Izuber writes "Until majority of such a nation learns to carry out a civilized conversation while holding on to their ground and debating their point, no matter what, democracy will not and cannot exist or prevail in Pakistan"

By this Izuber means that he can lie and use all kinds of BS tactics to discredit his opponent and the opponent should just sit tight and not call a spade a spade because that would be "might is right"- when words are responded to with words there is no might is right involved, it is involved in the censorship practiced by chowk staff, the kind of censorship that you defend...hypocrite

#11 Posted by pavocavalry
"By agreeing to ceasefire Yahya Khan saved West Pakistan.That was the poison pill that he swallowed.He was not tried because ZAB did not want to further demoralise the army."

Who were those that appeared to be uniformed officers in Military attire of Generals that fought with each other and drew guns at Karachi airport at the return of ZAB from UNO as they placed him in power?

Demoralize someone without morality !! sounds strange and out of place, at the outset when Yahya's declaration of war was broadcast on the radio & TV, that animal was already in a drunken state as he uttered some arabic from the scripture.

I still recall the day when Karachi TV during ZAB's era mistakenly placed a recording of Yahya's broadcast on air some over 1-2 years later after the fall of Dhaka and within moments angry citizens were found instantly protesting at the gates of Pak TV and this was after the nightfall.

He should have been instantly deprived of breathing further that very moment, but, that is subject to how sober the generals that were surrounding him at the time were, that took orders from him. Not to mention who was "Aqleem Akhter Rani"? that question still remains open for an answer from qualified individuals with understanding of Yahya era.
Pavocavalry no matter what, I like the way you write without being disgraceful to other commentators who may chose to differ from your point of view.

Re: # 33
Masadi you are a paranoid and there is no cure for your disease because you were born without any grace and expected to leave without any as well.
Your attitude is also reflective of an influence of "Mossad" it is no surprise you happen to act synonymously.
It is most possible that Chowk administration smells that stink of Mossad when you are around and choses to restric or limit the amount of oxygen you should receive.
Too bad you cant be called a cry baby although you find every opportunity to attack those who don't say ameen at your utterances.
Those who call others "hypocrite" are definitely an experienced one, while if you are a muslim and label another believer hypocrite, if you had any positive points to cash in in the hereafter you have transferred those to whom you transgress, "if" you have any good deeds you are urged to keep transferring those to my account no matter what you wish to label me.

Izuber writes "Masadi you are a paranoid and there is no cure for your disease because you were born without any grace and expected to leave without any as well.
Your attitude is also reflective of an influence of "Mossad"...."

After having my articles censored baselessly for over a year I am labeled as "paranoid" for inquiring why this censorship is practiced, and this fool, who talks about discourse is more than happy to have them banned by labelling me "Mossad"- wonder how this shrink came up with that assessment, maybe he hasn't read my articles and ideas regarding the Palestinian/Israeli conflict. Now if he even had a tenth of what I have contributed and offer to chowk maybe he could come up with some counterarguments instead of labelling me CIA or Mossad- completely baseless BS because my exposure of a system both of them want to maintiain puts me in their bad books, I bust the mythology of those who fund such organizations and those who are peons of them like you a-hole....One does not have to have had experience being a hypocrite to recognize hypocrisy coming from those like you who say one thing and advocate another. Picking holes in the arguments of idiots like you is what I have experience in...

Palestinian/Israeli conflict: article can be accessed at http://israel.rationalreality.com
for those who are interested...

Like most mullah, Izuber is on a good deed slot machine, every post I make drops more "good deeds" into his bucket-cching!! How can one argue with those having a mentality of retards like this who want to end all discourse by saying it adds to my good deeds and takes away from yours and then he talks about "civilized discourse"! while using all tricks in the book to end the discourse and promote censorship of my articles by Chowk Staff by labelling it "Mossad"- as if that is a lesser expletive than a-hole. I think not....

Re: # 26

masadi

{There is another big difference that you overlook in the Pakistani context, the politicians operate under the shadow of military overlordship not only during martial law but at all times,}

Incorrect assumption. And, I agree with your stated thesis that Pak army shares bulk of the responsibility.

{...therefore what they do or do not do is circumscribed by military parameters-}

Are these politicians juveniles or mentally retarded that they cannot have adult opinions? Here lies the problem. Are we to believe that the Pak Army is forcing these politicians to be corrupt? Abuse their position of authority? Indulge in nepotism and favoritism? Issue orders to harass their opponents? Rig elections? Indulge in open horse trading of politicians?

{...I hope that is not beyond the comprehension of your "cops and robbers" analysis, that people knowing nothing about society and its setup often partake in....}

I have said this before, Masadi sahib, seek help. I do not know what ails you but it could be some childhood case of inferiority complex that has mutated into a superiority complex, Or some emotional depression. Whatever the problem, do yourself a favor and seek professional help.

re: #29
The only thing that I would take from the piece is that the fella fought well and was treated as a soldier by his Indian counterparts.

Regards,

Faruk

rf786 writes "Are these politicians juveniles or mentally retarded that they cannot have adult opinions? Here lies the problem"

It has nothing to do with the maturity of politicians and everything to do with how the political institution has warped under military rule. People with the "cops and robbers" analysis cannot understand social structure, the relationship between the various institutions in a society, when politicians try to do the right thing they end up like Imran Khan, marginalized, a laughing stock and without the benefits of going along with Army rule (i.e. corruption), so those who are career politicians take the easy route and ganer profits by appeasing the military and yes, US agenda, otherwise they are either sent home packing, jailed, lose their party support and in extreme cases lose their skins....Now do you understand how the military creates corrupt politicians by institutional precident??

Re: # 40

masadi

Keep on repeating your mantra but that does not absolve adults of their moral, social, political and legal responsibility. Now that you have no name to fall back on you pick Imran Khan to substantiate your ridiculous argument and ignore the Watoos, Zardaris, Sharifs of this impoverished country. .

chowk staff,

... please make sure masadi is not able to return tomorrow .... thank you for your cooperation

Masadi is nothing more than a paranoid and like others have commented he certainly bears a complex of unknown origin, all he/she wishes for is to advertise his publications and no one seems to be impressed with this hollow vessel that comes with hole dripping away any intellect that nature may have intended to place in it.
His language suggests that people keep him more than a 10 foot pole away and such a rotten creature is not allowed to contaminate a discussion forum.
Whatever term he uses to blame the Chowk administration but they perfectly seem to understand as to what contaminates this place and if not altogether they have done something to keep this contaminant out of here.
A job well done by Chowk administration.

Re: # 37
Return of museebati masadi with his classic irrelevance,
Palestinian/Israeli conflict: article can be accessed at http://.....................for those who are interested...

No matter what masadi suffers from a person whom he advertises to be, would be rather elaborate and appropriately disciplined and may not have the time that this masadi we encounter seems to afford, implying his presence in this forum to be necessary in the given manner he choses to, while embarking on petty inarticulate exploitations.
This certainly points in a direction that screams and states that this masadi is no more than an impostor of Muhammad Asadi the author who appears to be a lot more literate than expressed by the language of this subject.
And, if it is him in person than the fact remains verified as the universal truth "you dont practice what you preach", and, when one doesnt practice what they preach no matter how nicely they word their publications it is quite natural that such preaching has no effect on it's audience.
If you load a donkey with all the knowledge and publications it will remain a donkey.
Then again there is the matter of mistaken identity which also requires to be considered by all those suffering from the maliciousness of the "masadi" since there happens to be another individual with the same name who happens to be the publisher of a newspaper from Yemen and was arrested by Egyptian authorities for having published the notorious cartoons about our beloved Prophet PBUH.
If masadi is the author of the books he implies to be, I would earnestly request him to sober up and appear as intellectually sociologist as advertised, otherwise, based on his public disposition I am led to believe that he is no other than a "mossadi" attempting to contaminate literature on Islamic topics as normally expected by "mossadies".
If he is truthfully who he claims to be, his writing in the forum here should reflect so, unless he places himself above anyone else who is part of this forum.
Humility and behavior on his part in future will testify for his consideration.
I wish the real Muhammad A Asadi well.

izuber writes "If masadi is the author of the books he implies to be, I would earnestly request him to sober up and appear as intellectually sociologist as advertised, otherwise, based on his public disposition I am led to believe that he is no other than a "mossadi" attempting to contaminate literature on Islamic topics as normally expected by "mossadies"."


For a person who joined Chowk less than a month ago, this fool has the audacity to comment on who I am and what I write. First he claims I'm mossad- the kind that busts the Israeli mythology about their right on Palestine in a most comprehensive manner in my article, next he claims I am impersonating myself! masadi is trying to be Muhammed Asadi...go figure, and then after using all kinds of BS and insults against me, he complains that I do not "practice what I preach". First, I don't "preach" anything to dimwits like you whose only "brains" are in their crotch. Second, I don't give a damn about what you think I may or may not be. Third, my contributions to this site are a mountain compared to the half a pee drop that you have contributed. Now go __ yourself.

rf: Keep talking about "personal responsibility" in your "cops and robbers" analysis, when personal responsibility is punished in a social system and leads to the gallows or to isolation and alienation. If that structure is not changed, regardless of "personal responsibility" those rewarded will always be the opportunists who bow to military overlordship- and so those that populate that structure will similarly be the same, the others will bark and sit outside pontificating their utopias, like Imran Khan, while losing their lives, wealth and families- that is too high a cost for "personal responsibility" and politicians working within a corrupt structure avoid that cost. Dimwits like you wont understand, keep to the cops and robbers BS.

Hamid: yesterday you showed us all how you F yourself. Why don't you repeat that and go F yourself...

Re: # 23
According to official files and papers released by the US, India's next target was West Pakistan and the military objective was to cut the country into half.

Ans: I don't think so. A disturbed Pakistan would have caused less nuicense to India than current one. Huge humanitarian crisis in Bangladesh (refugee influx) was the major cause of Indian intervention. USSR (they dislike theocratic states like Israel and Pakistan alike) wanted to create another country and bring that in their fold. So, they have supported India and Bangladesh....
If Pakistan was united, then two problems would have dogged Pakistan . Political power should have been with eastern wing, as their population is more. That would have created tension as the two wings were culturally way apart. It was bound to create political tension. Bangladesh, being a region prone to natural disaster, it was certain that large section of Bengali migration in west wing causing mohajir problem in west wing....
Pakistan got rid of a host of problems with separation with eastern wing and India invited unnecessary hazards...
Hape you Pakisnatis tried to analyse, what India will gain defeating Pakistan militarily? India can never Govern the land, as Pakistan was not created by British against the will of people. The migration/killing of non-moslems from West Pakistan made no option of West Pakistan coming under Indian umbrella. Those who talk about East and West Germany, they are fools. The problem of Pakistan was with identity (whether to stick to ancestral root or go with mediaval middle east barbaric looters....).

Re: # 40
People with the "cops and robbers" analysis cannot understand social structure, the relationship between the various institutions in a society, when politicians try to do the right thing they end up like Imran Khan, marginalized, a laughing stock and without the benefits of going along with Army rule

Ans: If the politician has credibility and proper communication skill, he can change entire nation. Indira Gandhi and Congress was destabilised by Jayprakash Narayan and his movement....Apart from playing cricket, how much time Imran Khan had spent for the people of Pakistan? How many pro-people activities he was involved? Everybody can critisize, but those who make positive contribution, people keep them longer period in mind...