War of Another Kind

speaking of wars..this is how the paki army's chaddi was removed...note the impotent rage...

'Niazi was forced to surrender in public in Dhaka'
Saturday, 29 March , 2008, 13:30

Dhaka: The Pakistani general whose surrender signalled the liberation of Bangladesh, did so, much against his wishes, "before the people of Dhaka", says the Indian officer who organised in 1971 modern history's only public surrender by a vanquished force.

Pakistan's Lt Gen. A A K Niazi was reluctant and wanted to discuss "only a ceasefire under the UN". Later, he agreed to surrender, but in his office.

Niazi later claimed that he had been "blackmailed" into surrendering at a public ceremony, watched by thousands, at Dhaka's Race Course (now Suhrawardy Udyan).

"But I did not blackmail him," insists Lt Gen. (retd) J F R Jacob of the Indian Army to whom instructions from New Delhi were merely: "Go and get surrender".

Jacob narrated the events of December 16, 1971, over 36 years after they happened, during his current visit at the invitation of Bangladesh Army Chief Gen. Moin U Ahmed.

Niazi, unwilling to surrender and that too in public, relented after prolonged talks when told that there could be retaliation from angry people of Dhaka, The Daily Star said on Saturday.

Giving Niazi 30 minutes to make up his mind, Jacob walked out. "Going back, I put the paper on his table and asked him, 'Do you accept this document?' For three times he didn't answer and I picked it up and said (it's) taken as accepted," he went on.

During the negotiations, he also asked the Pakistani general to surrender his revolver. "He put a dirty little revolver. The lanyard was dirty and frayed in parts."

In his book Surrender at Dacca: Birth of a Nation, Jacob said he realised only later that the pistol was not Niazi's. It was a normal army issue .38 revolver.


"The barrel was choked with muck and apparently had not been cleaned for some considerable time... More likely, Niazi had taken it from one of his military policemen and surrendered it as his personal weapon. I could not help feeling that in his own way, Niazi had got a little of his own back," he wrote.

The surrender was before joint India-Bangladesh forces, to which Major General Rao Farman Ali of the Pakistan Army objected. Pakistanis, 93,000 officers and men, would surrender only to Indians, he said.

Jacob said the Pakistani officers were livid at the "humiliation" and swore that they would take badla (revenge).

In holding a public ceremony, the Indians were taking a risk too, with not many troops mobilised yet.

"I knew we had hardly any troops outside Dhaka and it was problematic for public surrender... But had it been better to be in safety and make him surrender in his office? No. I wanted him to face the people."

Recollecting those historic moments, the architect of surrender ceremony said, "Niazi retorted, 'Dhaka would fall over my dead body'. But I did it the way I thought it should be. I didn't have any directives or instructions for it. Was it wrong, I ask you?"

Gen. M A G Osmani, chief of Bangladeshi forces, could not be present at the surrender ceremony, a point that has rankled the Bangladeshis.

Jacob said Osmani was far away in Sylhet. A helicopter was sent, but he could not reach on time as the helicopter was shot at.

Re: # 228

I guess those indian soldiers went out for a "morning walk"; but only if they knew that the railway tracks here are electrified.

rockets red glare, the bombs busting in air



Missile hits Taliban leader’s office

Our staff reporter
WANA — A missile hit office of a local Taliban commander, Mulla Nazir Wazir, in Dok area of Wana, South Wazirsiatn, on Sunday after noon. The administration said it was a remote controlled bomb.
Because of the off day, no causality occurred, however the office was razed to ground, the local reports said. The local Talibans claim that the office of Mulla Nazir was hit with a missile fired from somewhere. Two weeks back, in the same area another missile hit a local Taliban hideout wherein number of people were killed.
However, the administration, said that building was destroyed because of remote controlled bomb installed near Mulla Nazir’s office. An official of political administration said that they were investigating the matter and at present could not form any opinion, adding that after investigation, administration would make public the findings of the reports.

#228 Posted by hamidm2 on March 30, 2008 10:40:57 am

OHMYGOD...they must be planning terrorist attacks!!...

oh wait...no..that would be something DHS would look for if paki soldiers went missing...

Re: # 227 "the tribals are basically petty thieves and brigands who are easily manipulated ......"

Seven years now, and the petty thieves still don't show any sign of getting manipulated

Re: # 232

anil mian,

.... that question was not meant for you, it was meant for for arjun mian and other horrible hindoos who think that a hindoo's poo doesn't smell any more even though he still squats on the railroad tracks ........ you can disregard that question ......

... but here is a more important question for you: why do indian men wear sneakers with dress pants - it bothers the crap out of me !

Re: # 228

Hamidm Sahib:

"...It has emerged that the two soldiers went missing ...
Camp Pendleton is one of the largest marine corps bases in the US...."

Would you not go missing too? Consider the choices...

Kargil Heights and Sandy Beaches of California

No, honestly, Hamidm Sahib. I wish these courageous soldiers a great start in their new life. These soldiers have shown that there is one more way to be part of American Dream,

Flying planes into Manhattan or flying out of Camp Pendelton?

Now how would you define the bravery? Brave soldiers, Bravo.

All of pakistanis talk about re-appointing the sacked judges. They miss the point that of paki legal system and judgements can vary so mush between a mushy appointed judge and a Zardari appointed judge, well there is no legal system in pakistan that is worth restoring. No one, not even a single paki on chowk dares to address the fundamental issue, why should the legal system be so dependant on the personalities of the judges. If mushy can change the entire legal system by changing a few judges, well paki lawyers can curl up and die in shame.

zee -

It is all elimentary. It was only you guys talking about the end of mushy, the PPP and company getting two third mjority etc etc ..and a golden era for pakistan. You all have failed to ask the basic question, has anything changed. Has there been a value shift in the political demands, did any party talk about law and order, jobs and water shortages. It is all personal politics in pakistan, you can see that even on chowk by the educated like you..the name calling, abuse and teh un-mentionalble in urdu and these are done primarily by the pakis.

Irrelevant non-sense that si what the pakis are famous for, while the jihadis are blasting your doors apart.

Re: # 228

hamid m,

no big deal. some paki soldiers went missing in india too during kargil

arjun, laddu, jayp

have you seen these guys ????

Indian soldiers go missing in US

Two Indian soldiers who went to the United States with an Indian army contingent are reported missing.
Officials suspect they could be trying to enter the US illegally.

The Indian troops went to the US earlier this month for joint counter-terrorism exercises at Camp Pendleton in California.

Correspondents say that some Indian sportsmen have gone missing during the foreign tours. But it is rare for the soldiers to go missing.

It has emerged that the two soldiers went missing on 20 March, the last day of the exercises.

Camp Pendleton is one of the largest marine corps bases in the US.

Re: # 224

zeemax,

.... i think a policy of 'negotiations' accompanied with bribery and targeted killings of their leadership will work ...... the tribals are basically petty thieves and brigands who are easily manipulated ......

Re: # 219

tahmed,

... you are a weasel ... always trying to wriggle out of the silly positions that you manage to put yourself in with your self-righteous nonsense .... your rectitude is a pretentious sham ....

... anyway, i stand by my contention that westmoreland was right - life has no meaning for people who value death .... you can see it on the streets of baghdad and basra everyday ......

Re: # 224

Tampax

Mabrook, you have scored 50 hits (posts), highest scorer without a doubt. Chowk staff, please take note of this tremendous effort, it deserves some sort of recognition.

tahmed,

#105 Posted by zeemax re #101 Posted by viqarm,

ANP and Maulana Fazlur-Rehman are not 'Tribals'. The opposing tribals of PPPP are all tribal 'Maliks'. The abolition of FCR means a complete redefining of relations with FATA which will abolish the tribal Maliks as well, so they of-course would be against it.

But you have to understand that the Tribal Malik system, in tandem with the federally appointed Political Agents, fell apart in 2005 when militant rebellion took place establishing a parallel system and killed 200 plus Maliks. The abolition of FCRA will make possible the drawing up of a new agreement with FATA taking into account the new Tribal order.

#221 Posted by tahmed32,

I wrote a post to viqarm earlier on the FCRA abolishment issue. Wait lemme find it. You'll find it useful.