Surviving Musharraf's Exit?

#321 bubba

[[Hamid mian,
[learn how to survive on bollywood, vegetables and dal (god forbid).... ]

Now, whats wrong with dal?]]


To understand that, you have to get used to Paki food for a few years. It is very varied - you get a main plate of meat, with another meat entree, and a meat dish on the side. And for variety, there are some more meat dishes you can have.

#115 tahmed32

[ajeya: I sympathize with the psychological scars you people suffer from after being ruled by muslims for a thousand years. Just try not to go over the edge, like some other sufferers from india on chowk. ]

All of India was never ruled by Muslims. And my ancestors never submitted to the barbarian religion and its vile customs. Yours did. The psychological scars should be, and are very obvious in, you and all Muslims in the Indian subcontinent.

By the way, here's a reason why Pakiland will never be democratic:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,345088,00.html
(and don't blame the Taliban - they are just reading what's written in the koran instead of "interpreting" it - they don't have a copy of your version yet).


Taliban Militants Reportedly Stone to Death Pakistani Couple Who Committed Adultery
Wednesday, April 02, 2008


A couple found guilty of adultery by an Islamic "qazi" court was stoned to death by Taliban militants in Pakistan's northwest border region, according to a report in Dawn, Pakistan's English-language newspaper.

The execution, which reportedly took place Monday, is the first by stoning reported in the region, which borders Afghanistan. "Qazi" courts, which are allowed to administer Islamic law outside the Pakistani judicial system, traditionally have ordered execution by firing squad in cases of adultery.

The married woman, identified as Shano, had allegedly eloped on March 15 with Daulat Khan Malikdeenkhel.

A spokesman for the Taliban said a complaint had been received from the woman's family that she had been abducted by Daulat Khan. They later changed the report to say she had run away with him.

Taliban militants captured the couple as they were returning from Karachi, the spokesman said.

Dawn reported that the woman's body was buried by local residents not far from the execution site. The man's body was handed over to his relatives for burial.

Re: # 299 Posted by hamidm2 on April 2, 2008 9:48:48 am

Hamid mian,

[learn how to survive on bollywood, vegetables and dal (god forbid).... ]

Now, whats wrong with dal?

I agree isafe..good point.

GT, Are you suggesting that in a land where the concepts of independent judiciary, democractic processes and due process has been subverted over 60%-705 of its existence, you want the world to rely on the legal process to deal with teh jihadis, that are involved in bombing not only others, but also their own countrymen?

how does that really work?

#318

if your only happiness in the world consists of comparing yourself to Pakistan, then you are one sad lot.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7324337.stm

prophetboy: 42% of people in the world think India has a positive influence...then umber is 18% for the land of the pure..i.e. less than half?

how could this be!!

what's this prophetboy?

Hamidm:

"liberate Kashmir form India"

Lets see what happened last time Pakistan tried to "liberate" Kashmir from India.
1. Musharraf got almost killed while landing at the airport.
2. Nawaz almost lost his neck.
3. Nawaz was exiled to Saudi
4. Indian taxpayers had to bury Pakistani soldiers.

Hmm... looks like it almost worked.

Re: # 310

I don't see any point to be upbeat. What if Americans bomb Pakistani territory, and they will, defiitely; What is our deterrent then. Unless, Ghouris and Hatafs are pointed towards Afghanistan and PAF run sorties to make sure that pakistani airspace is not tresspassed, these cross-border raids will not stop. I do not think that the civilian leadership from corrupt, pro-western ruling elite or their fouji branch has stomach or testicular fortitutde to stop CIA from making good on its threats. It need concrete steps and not comuniques that "we won't permit..." WTF.

Hamid:

I just had an "eureka" moment. You know this problem that we South Asians have - treating public spaces as private. You have this trademark example of peeing in public. I always felt jealous that I did not have one such example of my own. Then suddenly I had it! Here in chowk, can you believe it?

How about:

"Openly peeing in chowk"

(I know it is not as original as yours, but then I do not mind settling for the second-best).

#310 Posted by bulleya on April 2, 2008 10:23:43 am


....finally Pakistanis are growing balls....


capt clueless...a resolution with a picture of a pair isn't the same as growing balls..


Gilani says negotiations are the way to go and the pakistani leadership tells NPonte to take a hike....


You told us Bush would be so beholden to pakiland that he would stop for every tongawalla when he visited islamabad..

don't remember it? here..let me jog your memory..

#54 Posted by Romair on September 17, 2001 10:30:11 am

1) In the short term, the US now desperately needs Pakistan. More so than Pakistan needs the US. Ironic, but true. I can`t imagine Bush driving on the wrong side of the Islamabad highway, like Clinton did. Bush will stop at all red lights, and let the tongas cross. There is absolutely no way the US can fight any kind of war in Afghanistan without Pakistan`s assistance. Of all the countries in the world, the US contacted Pakistan. Why? Russia, China, Iran are not going to help. Even Canada and the European countries are unwilling to, ``accept all US demands.`` They don`t want OBL mentioning their names, along with the US, in his next speech. I just heard on CNN the Tajikistan rep saying they will not allow ground troops.

2) The long term relationship between Pakistan and the US has changed now, also. This is not to say that the US will dump India for Pakistan. But now it will not dump Pakistan for India either; which was begining to happen. This war against terrorism is going to be like the drug war; long and drawn out according to Farid Zakaria (an Indian Muslim editor of Newsweek, with more insight than all US analysts combined). There are two Muslim countries in this war that the US has to keep on its side; one is Saudia Arabia and the other is Pakistan. If Pakistan flips to the other side, or becomes destabilized, then America`s worst nightmare, ``Mullahs with nukes`` scenario could come true. So relations between Pakistan and the US after the C-141s start landing at Chaklala, should now remain pretty good; at the very least they are not going to get bad, like they were begining to.

3) I had mentioned a long time ago that Musharraf was waiting for an opportunity to go after the local Mullah parties. These parties and their leaders are very different from the ones who are actually fighting in Kashmir. The ones in Kashmir do not have a local political agenda. The ones with local agendas have Pajero driving leaders who have kids studying in the USA (yet the criticize the USA at the same time). They are all bark and little bite. However, without an economic lifeline, they could turn many Pakistanis against the govt. Now with a US lifeline, I think Musharraf has thrown the challenge to them, also. Otherwise, there is no way he could have accepted, ``all`` US demands. In my opinion, the moment any major riots start in Pakistan, the US will make a major announcement of debt removal or something, which will comb down the populace.

Depending on what Pakistan gets in return from the US, and depending on how large of threat to the US remains after they get OBL, Pakistan`s position in the world could completely change. After that it is up to Pakistan, to utilize this position to its advantage.

GT: True. As one of the supreme court judges, justice Ramday, said after being freed from house arrest a few days ago - there is many a slip between the cup and the lip (which is the victorian version of "it aint over till the fat lady sings"). And musharraf and others who stand to being brought to justice for multiple crimes are doing their best to prevent it.

I too share your confidence that now the Pakistan Awam is awake to the importance of the rule of law (the Chief Justice himself stressed this educational aspect of the entire campaign following March 9 when he first stood up to the dicatator), and seems like the die is cast for its return in Pakistan.

#306 Posted by zeemax on April 2, 2008 10:07:14 am


yeah peeweemax...we're all scared of you...

ooh....big bad peeweemax...please don't hurt us...

NWFP Assembly passes resolution agianst the idiotic remarks of CIA head, regarding bombing Pakistan.....

Gilani says negotiations are the way to go and the pakistani leadership tells NPonte to take a hike........

....finally Pakistanis are growing balls.....

no suicide bombing in any major city for two to three weeks.......one doesn't need to be a genius to figure out the fact that negotations pitch has reduced/stopped suicide bombings......

......let the americans fight their own war.....let hamidm mian cheer on the american army without joining it, rather than cheering on the pakistani army without joining it......

#307 zeemax: thanks for the reminder. i shall read it in my next "chowk break".

#302 Posted by tahmed32:

tahmed sahib,

Yes. Pakistan now has a democratic govt. This govt. can now increase the credibility of the legal system by referring the problem to the courts (this could be more effective than simply restoring the CJ). A democratic govt. and a functioning legal system are simple devises of conflict resolution within a country. These devices are worth protecting at all costs ... and Pakistanis will do so.