Surviving Musharraf's Exit?

Moeed Pirzada March 28, 2008

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#563 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on April 4, 2008 5:45:43 am

#535 Zeemax,

Zee,
LOL - looks like you have been paying attention to Atif's training of Injuns in percentages on UP - that effort was completely 37% successful. Good job!

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#562 Posted by akcheema on April 4, 2008 5:36:31 am

Re: # 558; hamidm Sahib,

I am reliably informed that members of the mammalian species Bubalis Bubalis are not partial to the melodies of wind instruments.

Cheers

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#561 Posted by tahmed32 on April 4, 2008 5:14:54 am

hamidm: no doubt ancient rome provided a sound foundation for western democracy by replacing a kingship by a republic (or sorts) with roman senate electing a ruler, and through jurisprudence. And I will grant you that all this was revived (after being lost for a thousand years after around 500 AD following the fall of the roman empire to barbarians) in europe. so i will concede this point.

and no doubt islamic history has been one of kingships with religion used as a convenient tool to give legitimacy to the khalifa.

Having granted you all this - can you deny that what inspired people in 2007 was not any ideas coming out of "islamic culture" (which has nothing to offer other than sharia) but ideas rooted in western civilization? You may disagree with me on the support the Quran itself provides to these concepts of equality and that is your right.

But you cannot deny that it is concepts rooted in western civilization (habeas corpus, right to vote) that inspired people in Pakistan in 2007. So who are you to deny this to the "unwashed masses"??? You and your chacha rashid may be clueless about these concepts, but the "unwashed masses" of Pakistan are not!!

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#560 Posted by arjun_5 on April 4, 2008 5:06:56 am

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#559 Posted by zeemax on April 4, 2008 5:00:55 am

#558 Posted by hamidm2,

I agree with you going by that the Romans had great kaneezes ... much better than Muslims ever did! That guy Caligula was a real hoot!

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#558 Posted by hamidm2 on April 4, 2008 4:55:05 am

Re: # 554

tahmed,

.... so how far do you want to go back - how about going all the way back to the roman empire ...... as bad as some of their emperors might have been they did have the concept of 'first among equals' and thier senate functioned better 2000 years ago than our three ring circus ......now compare this to the example set by abu bakr, king saud, saddam, hafiz asad, hosni and your friend musharraf ......... we have a long way to go and right now it seems we haven't even taken the first step ......

..... look mian ji, it is silly to make thes comparision with italy and france and israel - these people have been civilized for a long time whereas our people are still no better than their smelly sheep ......

...... based on the chaotic events of the last couple of days things don't look too good ....... but i am an optimist and still looking forward to making it with cindy crawford .....

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#557 Posted by hamidm2 on April 4, 2008 4:44:05 am

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bubba,

... they are family - sheikh rashid is kashmiri as is nawaz sharif ....like somone said, it is in our blood ...... but don't worry, we are in no position to do anhything about it yet - let your future generations worry about it .....

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#556 Posted by bubba on April 4, 2008 4:40:07 am

Re: # 498 Posted by hamidm2 on April 3, 2008 5:13:45 pm

Hamid mian,

[.. we have a moral obligation to support them..}

What moral obligation are you talkimg about? And why?

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#555 Posted by tahmed32 on April 4, 2008 4:39:29 am

#553 actually hamidms feuding uncles would fit right in with the sicilian mob. :-)

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#554 Posted by tahmed32 on April 4, 2008 4:33:17 am

hamidm: italians didnt have much of a democracy either until after wwii.
if you look at history, the picture is quite clear - in france it took two major revolutions (1790's and the slightly less violent one of 1848, the latter as tragic as pakistan 2007 may well turn out to be if the cj is not restored) that semed like failures at the time, but in fact paved the way for full democracy. in the soviet union - it took a number of tragic attempts - hungary 1956, the "velvet revolution" in czechoslavakia in 1989 plus the polish revolution - which seemed like failures but which paved the way for the soviet empire to come apart and for these nations to have a revolution.

So, nothing can undo the great step towards democracy that the pakistani people have made. even if the revolution is betrayed - nothing can stop the momentum of what the Chief Justice started when he stood up to the bully in uniform in March 2007.

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#553 Posted by zeemax on April 4, 2008 4:27:27 am

#552 Posted by hamidm2,

but pakistan is no italy and pakistanis are not italians

Oh ... so the same fascists who were siding with the nazis and killing your jew ancestors till yesterday suddenly became civilized today and adopted democracy?

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#552 Posted by hamidm2 on April 4, 2008 4:01:47 am

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zeemax,

.... aap kay mun mein ghee shakar, but pakistan is no italy and pakistanis are not italians - we are muslims without any tradition of democracy .... the italians might have invented the word 'nepotism' but the abominable four perfected this art which still serves as a source of inspiration for our politicians and people .......

...... anyway, let's hope for the best ....... mqm showered another ton of flowers on zab's mazar in naudero today ...... i wonder if nawaz sharif is going to pay his respects too, or will he just go to data sahib instead ......

...... anyway, let

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#551 Posted by peonofthewest on April 4, 2008 3:38:39 am

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#550 Posted by arjun_5 on April 4, 2008 3:16:00 am

#532 Posted by zeemax on April 3, 2008 10:02:18 pm

the impotent rage is really getting out of hand...

don't take it out on the people who ride your cabs...even if they don't tip you well or say something about the smell in your cab....you'll lose your medallion...

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#549 Posted by peonoftheeast on April 4, 2008 3:07:29 am

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#548 Posted by harish_hyd on April 4, 2008 2:58:09 am

hamidm2 uncle, although I know you don't think too highly of Hindoos, I do think you are the closest to truth. In all the hype and hoopla, people seem to have forgotten that Pakistan has been through all this before. What exactly are our friends blushing like virgins for?

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