Surviving Musharraf's Exit?

#274 Posted by hamidm2,

Yes ... israelis ... they're great!

I remember a proverb from College. 'Crore rupayya, flush sytem, tey yahoodi kuri ... bas hor ki chaida ey'.

Re: # 266

tahmed,

.... nonsense! .... there are no 'victims' among the ummah - they are all guilty because of their blind faith in a hateful ideology ... some, like the taliban, are just a little bit more guilty thatn others ......... talk to my friend tehsin abbasi who just returned from a visit to israel and jordan - according to him the moslems do not deserve any sympathy ....... the only time he was harassed was by 'fellow muslims' at the temple mosque ..... .. after all these years of arguing with me he agrees that israel is the only hope for that region - but, he had to see it for himself ........ maybe i will get his lazy ass to write an account of his trip to the holy land for the benefit of the flaming jihadis on this site ........

#265 chaltahai {"Because what the jihadis have learned is the strategy of "thousand cuts". It didn;t work with India, do you think it will fail here as well? "}

Only time will tell. Actually, the disaffected Indians are developoing their own terrorist infrastructure (e.g. Naxalites and others), not to mention the future overflow of Maoists from Nepal. Don't forget that the strategy of "thousand cuts" was perfected by Hindu Tamil terrorists in SL and now they want to include Indian Tamil Nadu in their separate state. When the fruits of "India Shining" fail to fail to sweeten the tastes of the majority of Indians, who are among the poorest and most unfortunate people in the world, the proverbial ointment will hit the rotating blades. Please stay tuned.

Re: # 259

zeemax,

.... fortunately she belongs to the civilized part of the clan .......... unfortunately, she and grandpa have some incorrigible relatives who need to be slapped (or bombed)

tahmed, if pakistani like you are for going after and killing these jihadis then I am sure the future is bright for the country.

Re: # 263

bubba

{SHouldn't Pakis work on their own society to bring them some modernity, before giving them rights of citizenship?}

Selective application of morality and standards of justice are the real problem. When people confuse liberty with religious self-righteousness then there is very little hope.

{What are these politicians thinking about when they suggest that they want to bring these people within the realm of civil society?}

Political rhetoric, balancing act, conditioning of people to prepare for the eventual final act.

Well

Re: # 263

bubba

{SHouldn't Pakis work on their own society to bring them some modernity, before giving them rights of citizenship?}

Selective application of morality and standards of justice are the real problem. When people confuse liberty with religious self-righteousness then there is very little hope.

{What are these politicians thinking about when they suggest that they want to bring these people within the realm of civil society?}

Political rhetoric, balancing act, conditioning of people to prepare for the eventual final act.

#265 your guess is as good as mine. lets hope the new political leadership has the stamina to put their money where there mouth is. recognizing the problem as they have done is certainly a 180 degree turn from musharraf's policy of painting this as america's war.

#263 these animals didnt stone the couple to death because they were morally outraged. this is their way of intimidating the population into submission. so dont join hamidm in painting the victims with the same brush as the animals.

No one can disagree that the pak army has to FIGHT the jihadis on Pakistani soil. (except for internet jihadis like Tampax, ofcourse) The question is do you think the pakistani people have the stomach for a fight like this...I mean..out in the open. Because what the jihadis have learned is the strategy of "thousand cuts". It didn;t work with India, do you think it will fail here as well?

Re: # 201

hamidm2

"p.s. let's give him (Ishaq Dar)six months and if things don't get better i will start a petition to recall him (unless he gets whacked by urstruly's mohammedan killers before that")

If these "stoned" mohemmadens have anything to say then we may not have much of a choice in this matter.

Re: # 241 Posted by hamidm2 on April 2, 2008 2:07:04 am

Himid jiyala,

[GHALANAI, April 1: A man and a woman were stoned to death by militants]

[Earlier, couples found guilty of adultery by militants or tribesmen were executed by firing squads.]

SHouldn't Pakis work on their own society to bring them some modernity, before giving them rights of citizenship?

What are these politicians thinking about when they suggest that they want to bring these people within the realm of civil society?

chaltahai #261: from all indications, now the army will actually fight to get rid of what the new political leaders at the national and frontier level has called the most urgent menace facing Pakistan. not protect them by declaring this to be an american problem while "rounding up the usual suspects" or "disappear" individuals without the trouble of a trial, which was musharraf's standard practice.

like everything - time will tell. so you are free to disagree.

tahmed yaar, you said that the gov't has declared this is "our war"..can you clarify , how would they deal with the jihadi menace differently than how the army has dealt with it so far...some food for thought
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Army Chief in Pakistan Wins Honor From U.S.
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By ERIC SCHMITT
Published: April 2, 2008
WASHINGTON — Since Gen. Ashfaq Parvez Kayani took command of Pakistan’s Army last November, a parade of top American officers and spymasters has trooped to Islamabad to urge him to wage an aggressive campaign against Al Qaeda and other militants in the country’s restive tribal areas.

The American officials have come away gushing about the Pakistani general’s military prowess and his commitment to disentangle the army from domestic politics. General Kayani’s predecessor, Pervez Musharraf, resigned last year to become a civilian president.

So perhaps it was just a coincidence when a letter from the United States Embassy in Islamabad arrived in General Kayani’s mailbox last week, congratulating him on being selected for the United States Army Command and General Staff College’s International Hall of Fame.

The hall “honors those officers of United States allies’ militaries who have attained the highest command positions in their national service component or within their nation’s armed forces,” Maj. Gen. James R. Helmly, the embassy’s defense representative, wrote in a letter to General Kayani on March 20.

Asked whether General Kayani’s selection was an attempt to curry favor with the officer, one American military official said Tuesday, “Absolutely not.”

General Kayani is a 1988 graduate of the Army college, which is at Fort Leavenworth, Kan., and provides advanced training to the Army’s most promising officers and to some foreign officers.

Lt. Gen. William B. Caldwell IV, the commander of the Army’s Combined Arms Center, which includes the college, said that General Kayani was the fourth Pakistani officer named to the hall, and met the requirements that he was a graduate and the chief of his service. The Army has admitted 227 officers from more than 60 countries since the hall was established in 1973. (Mr. Musharraf, who did not attend the college, is not among them.)

hamidm #246 and other various: are you sure your family is not related to the sicilian mob?

and just the other day you were mad at me for pointing out to Dr. Cheema (the one who keeps dingos as pets) that both you and he were rebelling against an ultra-conservative family.

perhaps you should write a book about your family, titled something like "The Nights of Lucretia Borgia". I am sure that will make you the most popular uncle in the family.