Surviving Musharraf's Exit?

Re: # 594

Why blank, please?

Re: # 591

A correction in the second line:

Read 'chhadia' for 'chhade', please.

Re: # 590

Wah allah_mian lage raho!

"Waang mamoliaan asi des chhade
Zaat zamaat te bheis keyha"

(We have left our country like migratory birds
What does our identity, ethnicity, dress, etc., meant for us now?"

Waris Shah

Who expects Shahbaz Sharif as the chief minister of Punjab to welcome Musharraf at the airport in case of his supposed visit to Lahore?

Musharraf has successfully entered himself into the list of ten most hated historical personalities for progressive Pakistanis, whose identity is land and cultural based.

Re: # 396

dost_mittar ji

This is indeed the crux of the socio-political problem in the Indian sub-continent - faith versus communal (or cultural/national) identity. Jinnah, in advocating his Two-Nation Theory also seldom talked of religious differences, but of communal and cultural differences among Hindus and Muslims. But what actually happened: Pakistan was turned into a ‘Fatwa’ state wherein the most important identity was one’s faith to be determined by one's declaration to be submitted not to Allah, who is, according to Quran even, the true arbiter of one’s faith, but to the state functionaries who may not be believing in God even.

Arbab Raheem manhandled in Sindh Assembly and prevented from taking oath ... things heating up. Yesterday PML-N women forcibly occupied PML house in Karachi (see gallery).

#586 Posted by Skeptical,

Looks like a 'Great Betrayal' is in the works. An extract from my post on the other board:

... the unanimous vote for PM, the PPP delagtions to MQM, the distancing from restoration of judiciary and removal of president - and most importantly Ch. Ahmed Mukhtar, the Defence Minister's statement that musharraf is an asset because he's a salable commodity for foreign assistance.

There seem to be more trials & tribulations on the horizon.

In continuation of my post 530....
What kind of exit we are having illustions and misconception about....

This is the The News Editorial

Disturbing signs



Saturday, April 05, 2008
The issue of restoration of the deposed judges is already causing cracks and friction not only in the grand political coalition but within the ranks of the PPP as well. Barrister Chaudhry Aitzaz Ahsan has even gone on record to unfold what he calls a constitutional package, born and bred in the presidency, to selectively screen out the judges not liked by the presidency, foremost among them Chief Justice Iftikhar Mohammed Chaudhry. Under the attractive garb of providing sovereignty to parliament, Aitzaz says, all judges would be dismissed and then re-appointed after scrutiny by a parliamentary committee where the pro-presidency elements would rake up dirt against the unwanted judges and eliminate them. On Thursday this warning by Aitzaz was almost confirmed by PPP co-chairman Asif Ali Zardari at the PPP CEC meeting at Naudero, when he said the restoration of the judges would be linked to the judiciary reforms package, a position different from the Bhurban Accord. There are also reports that Mr Zardari publicly snubbed and rebuked Chaudhry Aitzaz Ahsan in Naudero on the judges issue, asking him to stop threatening long marches and stop claiming the credit for the restoration of democracy because, according to Mr Zardari, it was Benazir Bhutto's ultimate sacrifice and not the lawyers' movement or judges' sacking which led to the elections and the return to democracy. These signs of bitterness within the PPP are unfortunate, but the main coalition partner of the PPP, the PML-N, is also not going to like the way things are moving and an urgent session of the party was held on Friday to discuss the developments.

Reforming the judiciary, and doing it through parliament, is the right thing but the impression that the presidency is pulling the strings has to be quickly dispelled by the PPP leadership. In fact instead of doing that, statements by new PPP ministers have almost confirmed that the party sees no harm in getting, and appearing, closer to Mr Musharraf. Defence Minister Chaudhry Ahmed Mukhtar has gone too far in calling Mr Musharraf "a national asset" and describing him as a marketable commodity to bring money into Pakistan. What could be more nauseating after the Feb 18 verdict of the people? Such public statements would only create fissures in the coalition and quickly stamp the label on the PPP of being Mr Musharraf's 'B' team. Mr Mukhtar's remarks also fly directly in the face of the massive anti-Musharraf mandate on Feb 18. It is also a fact that the administrative and legal machinery which was in place before the elections has not been touched as yet by the new PPP government. Even the key post of attorney general is still occupied by the insufferable Malik Mohammed Qayyum and the new law minister, Farook Naek, says there is no move afoot to replace him. The extra warmth shown by the PPP for former allies of Mr Musharraf, including the MQM, has not only raised some red flags within the PPP but has also added credence to the doubts that the PPP is trying to gather enough numbers to make the PML-N irrelevant because the presidency so desires.

The PML-Q, minus the Chaudhrys of Gujrat, is also privately claiming to come on board the grand coalition soon. There have been reports that the unqualified and unconditional support to the PM extended by the PML-Q, led ironically by a former PPP stalwart who defected in 2002, Makhdoom Faisal Saleh Hayat, was at the behest of the presidency. Likewise Pir Pagara's group, and all others on the fringe, did not blink an eye and joined the PPP bandwagon for a unanimous vote. If it was all for democracy it might be welcome, but this definitely is not so. The stubborn attitude of the presidency, despite public rebuffs and embarrassments, points to some hope somewhere that the new political setup could be moulded according to the wishes of Mr Musharraf. At least he is not giving up without a fight. This scenario does not provide hope for a stable polity. The PPP has to stem this growing feeling of approaching turbulence by asserting that it will stick to its commitments to the Bhurban Accord and would not let the basic coalition with the PML-N break up. It must take the PML-N into confidence before this issue erupts on the public stage. The main partners should be clear about the reforms package and the PPP's soft overtures to the Musharraf camp. Any constitutional package in parliament should not have the stamp of a child born out of conspiracies in the presidency. It must be acceptable to the civil society and not negate the electoral mandate against Mr Musharraf.

the wheels are coming off the delusion express
this is what happens when pakis resort to self-deception...when certain ivy league grads from rutgers were told Purchasing power equivalent numbers were the real numbers, they gave us some BS about how inflation numbers are mis-reported...

gotta thank mushy..he bought F-16s that come with enough restrictions to make them worthless against India...money well spent as far as India is concerned...thanks to that F-16 deal, now India has a choice of more advanced F-16s or F-18s and can still continue to spend more on education as a % of GDP..

all hail mushy....


16m more people pushed below poverty line after 1999: Dar

By our correspondent

LAHORE: Finance Minister Ishaq Dar has said that the government will change its foreign investment policy to discourage temporary investments meant to generate quick profits and take back investments.

Addressing a conference organised by the South Asia Federation of Accountants on Friday, he said new foreign investment policy would encourage long-term investment in agro-based and manufacturing industries to create jobs.

Dar said the government would have to take some painful measures to avoid any financial disaster in the future, adding that only the rich would feel the brunt of these measures. "The coalition government will change monetary and fiscal policies to eradicate poverty," he added. He said the pro-rich policies implemented by the previous government had marginalised the poor and the food inflation had changed the basic poverty parameters.

He said one US dollar could buy seven kg of flour in 1999 and one dollar income per day then rightly defined the poverty line. He said 16 million more people had been pushed below the poverty line after 1999.

"The purchasing power of a dollar has declined drastically since then. Now one dollar is just enough to buy three kg of flour," he said, adding that genuine evaluation revealed that anybody earning less than $3 per day was living below the poverty line. "The previous government's claim that poverty has been reduced from 34 to 23.5 percent is misleading because it used the parameter of one dollar per day," he said, adding that the previous government had spent lavishly on non-development projects. He said he would made public the balance sheet that he got on March 31 when he assumed the charge of his office.

Recognise my paki expertise. The PML-N was hoping that the reinstated judges will see to the end of mushy and his trial for sedition, and that is all that Nawaz is interested in. He is no lover of the supreme court as the silly pakis believed. If that is not going to happen, he will quitt the govt, and it will be PPP and PML-Q the second largest party.

Pakistanis on chowk, pay respect to my better understanding of the paki mind set.
Long live mushy


KARACHI: Lawyers fear backtracking on judges’ reinstatement



By Our Staff Reporter


KARACHI, April 3: The legal fraternity on Thursday expressed concern over the emerging political scenario and said that the President’s House and some political elements were hatching conspiracies to sabotage the lawyers’ ongoing struggle for the restoration of the pre-PCO judiciary.

Speaking at the general body meeting of the Karachi Bar Association held in the Shuhada-i-Punjab Hall of the City Courts, the lawyers urged the new government to fulfil its pledge made in the Murree Declaration to restore the judiciary to its Nov-2 position.

KBA Secretary-General Naeem Qureshi was of the view that the new political developments have clearly indicated that the pro-Musharraf political parities, including the PML-Q, would be included in the new government and the PML-N, which has a clear stance over the reinstatement of deposed judges, could be sidelined.

Zeemax,

febonocci series is, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13 etc is found to be foloowed in nature from the branching of trees, bacterial reproduction.

This is being followed in the indian subcontinent.

India (1), india pakistan (2), india, pakistan, bangladesh (3), next will be five, india, pakistan, bangladesh, sindh, NWFP. Punjab will be renamed pakistan. A new constitution, as it happened in 1973 can formalise the partition.

At last pakistan govt has announced a multifaced approach to terrorism. So far it was only two faced, talking about islam being a religion of peace while supporting the jihadis. Now it is going to be multifaced, there will also be occasional helicopter gunship attack on the jihadis. There will also be negotiations with them.

A truley islamic approach to terror, multi faced , like the pakis on chowk.

from dawn of today

Govt to follow multi-faced strategy in terror war: FM



By Our Correspondent


LARKANA, April 3: Pakistan will formulate a multi-pronged strategy for the war on terror and the coalition government’s emphasis would be to try to win the people of tribal areas by holding talks with them to resolve all issues.

However, Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi said the government would also use military force if it felt it was necessary.

..... this is not nice - no wonder we don't see any women on this forum .... you guys are worse than mirzaees !

Looks like tampax naraz ho gaya. LOL! Abay, dhaaga seedha kar..