Moeed Pirzada March 28, 2008
#17 Posted by tahmed32 on March 31, 2008 8:43:20 am
#16 the "rising sun" applauds your brilliant insights..while working on escape plan..er..i meant Commando Action Plan!!
#18 Posted by hamidm2 on March 31, 2008 8:45:10 am
Re: # 15
tahmed,
.... i want you to pay arjun to go and count how many times i said 'hosni musharraf zindabad' and how many times i said ' musharraf murdabad' - i bet you it will be a wash ..... i will admit that i did say 'sheikh rashid zindabad' and i stick with that postion ..... he represents the awam that you profess to care about ........ as for the unwashed masses, they are nothing but sheep ..........
tahmed,
.... i want you to pay arjun to go and count how many times i said 'hosni musharraf zindabad' and how many times i said ' musharraf murdabad' - i bet you it will be a wash ..... i will admit that i did say 'sheikh rashid zindabad' and i stick with that postion ..... he represents the awam that you profess to care about ........ as for the unwashed masses, they are nothing but sheep ..........
#19 Posted by tahmed32 on March 31, 2008 8:51:12 am
#18 Instead of denying facts (you must have applauded "Hosni Mubarak" etc. dozens of times during 2007), why dont you face up to reality - i.e. your entire value system (ridiculing the poor, applauding the corrupt and dishonest) stinks to high heaven. Start by saying "The hell with VIP culture" three times every day.
#20 Posted by HP on March 31, 2008 8:52:28 am
Hamid,
I think Main sahib's hatred against Mushy baba is justified and he should continue with that until the bugger is out and sent to the attock fort.
Tahmed, there is a limit to how far NS can go. But there is no limit for Zardari. He knows he will be in Garhi Khuda Bux maqbra after a phansi ka phunda or bullets at the back of his heads so he is careful now and would let NS reach his limit.
I think Main sahib's hatred against Mushy baba is justified and he should continue with that until the bugger is out and sent to the attock fort.
Tahmed, there is a limit to how far NS can go. But there is no limit for Zardari. He knows he will be in Garhi Khuda Bux maqbra after a phansi ka phunda or bullets at the back of his heads so he is careful now and would let NS reach his limit.
#21 Posted by HP on March 31, 2008 9:00:54 am
On Shaikh Rashid...
When I was in Pakistan I was talking to a Cable channel owner and he said you know why we always have shaikh Rashid live when putting something live costs us so much money?
I said, "To entertain me?"
He said, "correct, when the PPP or PMLn will have someone as entertaining and as knowledgeable, we will get him on the tv too".
He basically said that people like this comedian and until we find another comedian from these two parties will continue to put him on the shows.
I think Saad Rafiq from Punjab is about to replace him...
When I was in Pakistan I was talking to a Cable channel owner and he said you know why we always have shaikh Rashid live when putting something live costs us so much money?
I said, "To entertain me?"
He said, "correct, when the PPP or PMLn will have someone as entertaining and as knowledgeable, we will get him on the tv too".
He basically said that people like this comedian and until we find another comedian from these two parties will continue to put him on the shows.
I think Saad Rafiq from Punjab is about to replace him...
#22 Posted by tahmed32 on March 31, 2008 9:03:33 am
#20 HP: You could be right about Zardari not sticking his neck out too far. In a way it is good Zardari is there so things dont get too out of hand, and musharraf is removed and brought to trial in through a reasonable process within the framework of the 1973 Constitution. This way the energy built up in the nation can be channelled to constructive purposes.
#23 Posted by tahmed32 on March 31, 2008 9:11:01 am
#21 HP: Let politicians be politicians, and comedians can be comedians. Pakistan has no shortage of either and they do a great job on TV. Trouble comes when a politician starts acting like a comedian..
#24 Posted by hamidm2 on March 31, 2008 9:14:32 am
Re: # 21
hp mian,
.... nobody can replace sheikh rashid - saad rafiq is too 'polished' ...... if i know the rajas of pindi (who are about as intelligent as their jackasses), he will be back .... mark my words
...... as for zardari - i think he is hedging his bets because he is still not sure about the nro .... once the droopy eyed cj assures assures him that he won't open up that can of worms, zardari will take off his kid gloves and go after musharraf - everyone likes to beat up on a man who is down and almost out ... it is safe
..... as for musharraf, i don't think they should send him to attock or adiala - they should let him 'retire' like ayub khan as long as he stays away from politics ..... it will only prolong the bitterness and might piss off the army who could end up doing something stupid ....... but the man has an ego that is bigger than masadi's and might try to become the head of the q-league ..... that would be a mistake .... maybe they can send him to live with tahmed for a while ......
hp mian,
.... nobody can replace sheikh rashid - saad rafiq is too 'polished' ...... if i know the rajas of pindi (who are about as intelligent as their jackasses), he will be back .... mark my words
...... as for zardari - i think he is hedging his bets because he is still not sure about the nro .... once the droopy eyed cj assures assures him that he won't open up that can of worms, zardari will take off his kid gloves and go after musharraf - everyone likes to beat up on a man who is down and almost out ... it is safe
..... as for musharraf, i don't think they should send him to attock or adiala - they should let him 'retire' like ayub khan as long as he stays away from politics ..... it will only prolong the bitterness and might piss off the army who could end up doing something stupid ....... but the man has an ego that is bigger than masadi's and might try to become the head of the q-league ..... that would be a mistake .... maybe they can send him to live with tahmed for a while ......
#25 Posted by Urstruly on March 31, 2008 9:19:18 am
The current parliamentary set up has started giving me creeps. Every gamma, phuja, and lul-bashira is now in ruling coalition. Who and where the hell is the opposition. The laqoots of ML-Q are anything but and pervez elahi looks more like a shoe thief who hover around mosques during friday prayers, rather than an opposition leader. Is there anything straight in this banana republic?
Get rid of 58-2B and refer Musharaf to a court martial with in next two weeks, otherwise this un-natural house of cards is going to collpse in next 3 weeks.
[Those who are interested, the word "laqoot" is a hindko word for a bitch (kutti) with eczema (khurk)]
#26 Posted by HP on March 31, 2008 9:27:50 am
Hamid,
Why are you scared of army getting p-oed? Pissing them off should be the prime goal of the politicians. I think unless politicians and especially the ones from punjab don't confront the army, their Gaddi will never be mazboot and some other mush will attempt to take over.
Yeah army has guns let them pull them instead of waiting for the farce to be over.
Pakistan cannot survive w/o removing the army from the scene or at least from the political scene for good!
Let the fight begin!
Why are you scared of army getting p-oed? Pissing them off should be the prime goal of the politicians. I think unless politicians and especially the ones from punjab don't confront the army, their Gaddi will never be mazboot and some other mush will attempt to take over.
Yeah army has guns let them pull them instead of waiting for the farce to be over.
Pakistan cannot survive w/o removing the army from the scene or at least from the political scene for good!
Let the fight begin!
#27 Posted by Urstruly on March 31, 2008 9:35:22 am
Re: # 26
Exactly; and for politicians, their best strategy should be to force military courts to decide the fate of one of their own dictator. The military justice system badly needs this precedence.
I don't think army is in a position to get upset anymore. Currently they cannot step outside their cantonments in uniform. Thei wives are forced to send their school children in civilian cars. How long one can live in a green zone like this. As a matter of fact currently fouj is more pathetic than it was right after 1971 surrender. Back then at least no one was comming after their families.
Exactly; and for politicians, their best strategy should be to force military courts to decide the fate of one of their own dictator. The military justice system badly needs this precedence.
I don't think army is in a position to get upset anymore. Currently they cannot step outside their cantonments in uniform. Thei wives are forced to send their school children in civilian cars. How long one can live in a green zone like this. As a matter of fact currently fouj is more pathetic than it was right after 1971 surrender. Back then at least no one was comming after their families.
#28 Posted by tahmed32 on March 31, 2008 9:38:08 am
#24 " everyone likes to beat up on a man who is down and almost out ... it is safe "
speak for yourself, since it is always safe to beat down on abdul. and dont turn 180 degrees and make the "rising sun" (responsible for the deaths of thousands of people - starting with kargill - in his search for personal glory, responsible for attacking the very foundations of a nation, responsible for defaming political enemies and putting them in jail for charges that include "overuse of phones" as the gillani was charged with for refusing to compromise his integrity!!) as a victim!!
speak for yourself, since it is always safe to beat down on abdul. and dont turn 180 degrees and make the "rising sun" (responsible for the deaths of thousands of people - starting with kargill - in his search for personal glory, responsible for attacking the very foundations of a nation, responsible for defaming political enemies and putting them in jail for charges that include "overuse of phones" as the gillani was charged with for refusing to compromise his integrity!!) as a victim!!
#29 Posted by tahmed32 on March 31, 2008 9:40:03 am
urstrulyh #25 the only smelly character who has managed to sneak into the coalition is one of your mullahs - mullah fazloo. so you can relax - Pakistan is now strong enough to show the door to hell to your jehadi heroes.
#30 Posted by hamidm2 on March 31, 2008 9:42:48 am
Re: # 26
hp mian,
.... knee-jerk confrontation and violence can result in unintended consequences .... chile was able to get rid of pinochet without going after him immediately ...... he died with hundreds of charges pending against him but they gave him a military funeral (not a state funeral) to keep the army happy ........... and chile is the finest country in latin america .....
..... musharraf has been humiliated and if he wasn't so hard-headed he would have left a long time ago .... now he is a just a big distraction and it would be a total waste of energy to go after him ..... maybe we can just send tahmed to slap him a couple of times ..... that should be enough for both of them ...
hp mian,
.... knee-jerk confrontation and violence can result in unintended consequences .... chile was able to get rid of pinochet without going after him immediately ...... he died with hundreds of charges pending against him but they gave him a military funeral (not a state funeral) to keep the army happy ........... and chile is the finest country in latin america .....
..... musharraf has been humiliated and if he wasn't so hard-headed he would have left a long time ago .... now he is a just a big distraction and it would be a total waste of energy to go after him ..... maybe we can just send tahmed to slap him a couple of times ..... that should be enough for both of them ...
#31 Posted by tahmed32 on March 31, 2008 9:43:36 am
HP #26 i think the fight is already over. the military is only too happy to start being seen as a national military - just like the cops guarding CJ were only too happy to throw aside the barricades 10 minutes after the PM had ordered in the NA.
Next stop: the defense budget is reviewed in parliament.
Next stop: the defense budget is reviewed in parliament.
#32 Posted by tahmed32 on March 31, 2008 9:46:06 am
hamidm: knee-jerk? the new government is going by the book. and if it throws the book at mush in court - then that would be the only right thing to do. So the idea that one man can be above the law is finished once and for all in Pakistan.
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