Surviving Musharraf's Exit?

Re: # 29

Oye mirzai

I send la'anat on this moulvi fuzla and his chmcha qazi hussain ahmad. If I were you, I would show some respect to jehadis who have made all this possible. Do you think the current crop of politicians gama, phujja, and lul-bashira had balls to stand up to this vicious dictator? Think again. Its the blood of people like Ghazi Abdul rashid Shaheed and school girls of Jamiah hafsa who gave new life to the phoenix that never was.

If Mushraff and his con-friends are not disgracefully kicked out of power within 90 days then the new government will be dealt the same way. They and their families will have hard time getting out in public. Even if the deposed judge choudhary accepts American terms of not demanding the missing persons whom Mushraff handed over to CIA in nuke connections still America has a great deal of investment in Mushraff. So it is likely that Pakistan will enter a new phase of uprising. Unless Pakistanis completely dismantle all British left colonial forces starting with Army first and education and monetary trap, the bureaucracy all these elections and big slogans are mere survival tactics that will hardly do any thing in the long run. My 1999 prediction still holds that Mushraff’s end will be worse than the combined ends of Bhutto and Zia unless Allah has some other plans for Lal Masjid Conqueror.

Hamid,
You are missing the point. Pinochet did not come in without the violence.

If they are not confronted now, the Pak army would come in with the Pinochet mindset.
I am not asking to kill mush. I think bringing him to justice is the right course. And if during the process it is proved that some army generals were his accomplice , they should be booked in the attock fort too.
It is the right thing to do or you allow the Pinochet type of army coup in Pakistan.

Re: # 29

tahmed,

..... mullahs like urstruly and zeemax don't like this election and the resulting coalition because they thrive on chaos ..... their only hope of getting into power is a total breakdown of the political process with eveyone going after everyone else ..... as zeemax is so fond of saying, "the end justifies the means"

"Its the blood of people like Ghazi Abdul rashid Shaheed and school girls of Jamiah hafsa who gave new life to the phoenix that never was."

That is pure baloney!

HP and Tahmed
There is a serious issue here.
PPP is not a small province party. It represents the federation and has seats in all provinces including FATA. Appeasement will get Zardari nowhere. In politics it never works. As days pass and this appeasement continues, PPP's popularity will plummet and at least in Public Perception, Zardari will be tainted. There are enough skeletons in his cupboard pertaining to his so called long years of captivity. I hope memories are not short lived to have forgotten the perks he enjoyed.

As I wrote on another board, this one is tricky.

Cheerios

"i think the fight is already over. the military is only too happy to start being seen as a national military -"

Tahmed, You are so wrong. We are still at the half way mark in Pakistan. There will be one last final confrontation with the army. Brace for the worst!

Hey Ali Ahmed kurd is on TV Geo News!

He is live from Quetta. Isn't this great!

#33 urstruly: spare me your mullah abuses ("mirzaee"). So you spoke against fazloo. so what? it was only because he chose to seek power by becoming a lota rather than by killing innocent people - like the kafir scum that you worship.

Re: # 34

Pir Sahib

Very well said. What people do not understand is that that there is never a short cut in the lives of nations. If the pro-Western, corrupt, ruling elite is thinking that they can get away with this facade of "democarcy" then they should think again. They are trying to patch a bursting pressure cooker with bandaid. This time it is not even going to delay the inevitablity. People still do not understand that the struggle between old order of east india company ki najaiz aulad and the forces of a new pakistan have entered into an existential phase. There is no going back.

Re: # 35

hp,

..... pinochet came in through violence but if i remember correctly his leaving was not violent .... as a matter of fact he 'stepped down' and resumed his post as chief of the army .....

.... in any case, i don't think the politicians will go after musharraf because they don't want to take on the army (yet) ...... it will all be part of the big 'deal' which includes the cj/nro issues ......

#39 HP: Let us at least hope I am right. :-) No doubt the various privileges would be hard to let go. And cutting any bureaucracy - let alone a vast 700,000 man army down to a size that matches the real defense needs of the nation - is no job for the timid or the overzealous.

But..the new government has already made far more headway than I had expected in this direction before meeting with resistance.

Re: # 10 Posted by hamidm2 on March 31, 2008 7:50:06 am

Hamid mian,

Here is what I would say to your 100 day agenda:

[1. liberate kashmir ]

This can not be done unless Arjun agrees with it.

[2. fire masadi and make sure he is not employed by any educational institution]

Agreed, can be easily done.

[3. add 2000 mw of electricity]

Can not be done, because Pakistani rupees does not go far enough.

[4. clean up nalla leh]

what the heck is that?

[5. end prohibition]

Agreed, can be done easily.

[6. remove the blasphemy and hadood laws]

Agreed, can be done easily.

[7. stop cross-border footsie until kashmir is liberated]

Can not be done, unless urstruly buys in to this (refer to item 1, above)

[8. find osama]

Can not be done. Only Obama can do it, maybe next year.

[9. find imran khan]

Is Jemima, included in this new government?


[10. provide washing soap to the citizens of pakistan]

idiotic demand, since there is no water.


[11. pass a law that requires people in queue to stand at least 5 feet apart]

Partially agreed, provided you do not demand for toilets to be included close to this line.


[12. prohibit men holding hands in public (unless they are gay)]

Can not be done. First Pakistani constitution has to define "what a man is?"

[13. fire masadi]

Again? Refer to response No. 2 above.

[14. stop the unnecessay slaughter of animals on religious holidays and circumcisions]

Can not be done. Pakistan has a powerful grass root organization of PETA (People Eating Tasty Animals).

This is a non-starter.

[15. appoint sheikh rashid as chairman of the kashmir committee]

Can not be done. He has lost his political bearings for the moment.

[16. impose a tax on beards]

Good suggestion for Pakistani treasury. Also, this tax should include on foreigners travelling to Pakistan. They should be in USD, and in cash.


[17. prohibit men from shaving their pubic hair]

Unenforceable.


[20. provide universal health care and free education]

Can not be done, due to violation of intrinsic values. As you know most people in Pakistan, prefer life after death.


[21. find urstruly]

Agreed. Give this assignment to Zeemax. And once he finds urstruly, he may keep him.

[22. send masadi into exile in saudi arabia]

Agreed.


[23. ban altaph bhai from making telephonic speeches]

Agreed. The government would install disruption in his telephone line. For this to happen, MQM must not be part of any coalition.


[24. let altaph bhai come home]

Agreed, and let him face justice.


[25. repatriate the stranded pakistanis in bangladesh]

Can not be done. Karachi is already a mess. If only these people can be assigned to Rawalpindi or Peshawar.

[25. grant full citizenship rights to ahmedis]

I thought they were already citizens.

[26. install a street light in front of my brother's house]

Agreed, we will add solar energy as a caveat.

[27. find and sterlize the jamia hafsa women]

Can not be done, because it is a violation of UN human rights declaration that also applies to these women.

[28. ban roadside peeing and watwani]

what is watwani?

[29. reduce the price of petrol to 10 rupees a liter]

Agreed. Will have to include KSA is this demand. Those rascals might have their own demands.

[30. recover all the missing manhole covers]

Agreed. This will increase the burden on the treasury.

Musharraf isn't and has not been perfect. However, the easiest thing in the world is to blame everything on him.

Let's see how the new government deals with the jihadis, when all they want is to use Pakistan as a base. Let's see what the new government will do when the next madrassa takes foreign workers hostage, or attacks police stations?

Of course, we can criticize Mush, but not for the reasons used by jihadi sympathizers. Why did he wait six months to take care of the criminals inside the Lal Masjid? How come the Taliban got a free hand post 2004?

Tahmed, Hamid, I am watching Ali Ahmed Kurd he is live and they are censoring his speech by turning off the mike.
I will get back to your posts after this.