A Walk down Memory Lane

Hey Zeejah, after such a long time? How've you been? (I haven't read the article yet, but your 'The Puppeteer' is one of my favs!).

Okay I read the article.

Now that we have the same old people back in the seat of power, how can I hope for anything better?

Even though I do not agree with this oft-repeated "same old people back" argument at all (on balance each political Government's contributions were much bigger than their misdeeds, if one were to ignore the organized character assassination) - but even if it was true, there are two solid institutions now which never existed before, and which will ensure politicians in power remain virtuous in the future. One is an independent judiciary (about to be restored) and the other is a sprawling and fearless electronic media.

If you are unable to see the above change, it is a tragedy.

Zeejah,

For once, there is a pakistani who can see the reality. Nawaz who organised the storming of the court is now the champion of the court, simply because he hopes that the re-instated the CJ will declare mushys actions illegal and mushy will be tried for sedition.

Nawaz has no other intention is supporting the restoration of sacked judges, he does not and for that matter no pakistani wants an independant judiciary which will have to up hold the constitution.

How about teh sharia courts where will that fit.

Stoning to death, is it constitutional, how about hoodood is it constitutional.

No one dares to talk about them and that is the tragedy of paki education.

zeejah,

.... you speak the truth, but i choose to ignore it because the truth is just too damn depressing ...... maybe - just maybe - these clowns and jokers have learned from their past experience ....... i am not holding my breath, but what is the alternative ......

"In fact, minions of the latter day defender of Justice and Democracy (NS,for those with amnesia) and the protege of the worst dictator in Pakistan's history, stormed the Supreme Court of Pakistan when he was Prime Minister of Pakistan. "

I hope Tahmed reads this. He will feel much better about Musharraf.

Add this to the memory lane. From memory try to find out why the pakistanis, born and brought up in the UK are involved in terror. Jog the memory, recall the name jinnah and TNT, the k for kafir education.

from dawn of today about the hijack trial in the UK

All eight men, each of whom has family ties to Pakistan, are accused of conspiracy to murder and a charge of planning an act of violence likely to endanger the safety of an aircraft. Both charges carry maximum sentences of life imprisonment.

The men are: Abdulla Ahmed Ali, 27; Assad Sarwar, 27; Tanvir Hussain, 27; Mohammed Gulzar, 26; Ibrahim Savant, 27; Arafat Waheed Khan, 26; Waheed Zaman, 23 and Umar Islam, 29.

Zeejah, welcome back!

Your greatest flaw is that you remember too much.

Thanks for this dose of reality.


Anyone remember:

"Yeh Munsif bhi to Qaidi hain
Humain insaaf kiya dein gey..."

Re: # 7 Ras, i have another flaw ... Pakistani politics has made me cynical ...

Re: # 6
Those who were born and bread in the UK are technically not really 'Pakistanis' and therefore not a part of my memory bank... but if u want me to guess, i would say that their problem is they have become like the Dhobi ka kutta, na ghar ka na ghat ka... they r not 'angraiz' and they r not 'daisee'... they need an identification and so they over identify and thus fall in with the radicals... maybe it is their way of reacting to the prejudice they face in the UK?

Re: # 5
Mush may be bad, but i dont see where the Nawaz and Zardari duo will be any better ... it has been said that those who ignore history r bound to repeat it...
our problem is that we hate the present 'ruler' and love those who had stiffed us in the past ... a few years after Ayub Khan was pulled down with slogans like "ayub kutta hai hai" and "cheenee chor" I remember seeing trucks painted with his picture saying 'tairee yaad aa'ee, tairai janai kai baad!'...:)

Re: # 1
Zeemax!... how r YOU? ... ok, i wont talk about the article since u confess u didnt read it... but as u see, i am hoping to start writing once again... maybe the juices will begin to flow... but i have a (13, soon to be 14) yr old grandson who is writing very well ... i have some of his stories on my website...another grandson is writing poetry... do u think they r being 'influenced' by granny?...;)

Hi Zeejah! I'm good. I did read the article. See post #2!

Re: # 4
Hamidm2 ... i think that in spite of themselves the politicians may finally do the one thing that is of ultimate importance in a country like Pakistan ... the Judiciary might finally be independant, altho i have a nagging feeling that Zardari is only saying that to curb NS's enthusiasm vis a vis the judges restoration... i remember him saying that the issue is larger than just this Judge or the other... and basically he is very right ...
IF NS doesnt back down about the restoration of Judges (who if memory serves me right took an oath on an earlier PCO) then i guess we may finally have a Judiciary that is independant of the Executive ... and with the Press that Mush freed (!) it should make an interesting time in Pakistan...:)

Re: # 2
just as the Press still is like a rambunctious kid, the Judges may 'overdo' their oversight of wot is going on in the country... but i would rather have more than less at any time!...
i think the answer to Pakistan's woes is an independent Judiciary and a free Press... Mush gave us one, Zardari may give us the other...:)

#14 Posted by zeejah,

I see you chose to ignore #2. Thanks for making your position clear:)

Now do elaborate:

a free Press... Mush gave us

I suppose he could stop the airwaves, or the internet. Or, perhaps you believe he gave us internet too? Or Cellphones?

You can't stop technology. If musharraf did not allow domestic channels, there would still be satellite dishes which I had since way back in 1992, and he would have no control over them. He did it to use them to spread his 'enlightened moderation'.

So please do not give us that.

Write something like the puppeteer again! Forget politics. It's not for you.

... I meant you ignored the main questions in the end of #2.