Zarrar Said April 2, 2008
#556 Posted by ana on April 11, 2008 4:09:14 am
nkg:
do you always like talking to yourself when you write a post? every once in a while is fine, but this constant asking and answering your own question virtually aloud requires an even more serious response that is not available here at chowk.
please seek help immediately. this asylum is already overcrowded thank you.
do you always like talking to yourself when you write a post? every once in a while is fine, but this constant asking and answering your own question virtually aloud requires an even more serious response that is not available here at chowk.
please seek help immediately. this asylum is already overcrowded thank you.
#555 Posted by vengatramanan on April 11, 2008 4:03:57 am
Re: # 552
"There is also someone (the Indian farmer for eg) who produces a low value item but he is also entitled to a fair price of that product. Export ban hurts him."
Majumdar,
OTOH exporting agri produce will hike the inflation. This is a catch 22 situation for us...I saw CNN-IBN's news on how the food price increase has hurt the BPL...it was very moving and painful to watch...I come from an agri family and personally I would not want a ban on agri export too...
"There is also someone (the Indian farmer for eg) who produces a low value item but he is also entitled to a fair price of that product. Export ban hurts him."
Majumdar,
OTOH exporting agri produce will hike the inflation. This is a catch 22 situation for us...I saw CNN-IBN's news on how the food price increase has hurt the BPL...it was very moving and painful to watch...I come from an agri family and personally I would not want a ban on agri export too...
#554 Posted by nkg on April 11, 2008 3:59:49 am
Re: # 552
Majumdar...
Ans: Mr. Ahmed... is most probably the product of pre-open economy Pakistan.
Mr. Ahmed...India granted MFN to Pakistan long back. Pakistan is not even agreeing for SAFTA. Pakistan purchase auto component, tyre and other rubber products from some other countries with higher cost, but will not purchase from India...
..This is problem with Bangladesh also...
Majumdar...
Ans: Mr. Ahmed... is most probably the product of pre-open economy Pakistan.
Mr. Ahmed...India granted MFN to Pakistan long back. Pakistan is not even agreeing for SAFTA. Pakistan purchase auto component, tyre and other rubber products from some other countries with higher cost, but will not purchase from India...
..This is problem with Bangladesh also...
#553 Posted by nkg on April 11, 2008 3:49:21 am
Sorry couple of grammatical errors...
It will be good to keep aside personal matters...
trust my mother, as she had brought me to earth.
It will be good to keep aside personal matters...
trust my mother, as she had brought me to earth.
#552 Posted by majumdar on April 11, 2008 3:44:36 am
Ahmedmadani sahib,
Re: 511, 512
So if India imports something (wheat) from Pakistan, it is destroying Pak's economy. And if it exports something (sugar) to Pakistan it also destorys Pak's economy. India karey to kya karey???
Jayp,
(The point is that one should export only high value items for which one can get a premium. )
There is also someone (the Indian farmer for eg) who produces a low value item but he is also entitled to a fair price of that product. Export ban hurts him.
Regards
Re: 511, 512
So if India imports something (wheat) from Pakistan, it is destroying Pak's economy. And if it exports something (sugar) to Pakistan it also destorys Pak's economy. India karey to kya karey???
Jayp,
(The point is that one should export only high value items for which one can get a premium. )
There is also someone (the Indian farmer for eg) who produces a low value item but he is also entitled to a fair price of that product. Export ban hurts him.
Regards
#551 Posted by nkg on April 11, 2008 3:44:09 am
Re: # 547
Tahir...
Entire populations knew the charachters of Prophets. I don't know yours.
Ans: You don't need to know my character. Neither, I need to know yours. We are not debating about ourselves. It will be good to keep side personal matters...
11 marriages, child marriage, looting, then violent verses is enough to know about a person...
The site you are refering is islamic site. I know couple of sites, which tries to prove that moon was indeed split and the mark is available even now. Check WIKI (This is public site and most commonly used. They have better accountability than islamic sites).
I trust my mother, as he had brought me to earth. I have been brough up by my mother. I have no such connection with Muhammed. His deeds rather make me take suspiciously. A person claming spliting the moon is cheat to me. How he had convinced some arab beduines, it is the problem of the beduines of that time. Not mine.
Read the last post, last but one para. If all the living creatures are created by GOD, HE/SHE do not need to convey HIS/HER message to entire flora and fauna through a mediaval arab beduine and HE/SHE need not assume the name of Moon God of Kaabaa. HE/SHE needs to take care of animals (including human) and birds around the globe...
Coming to Budhdha, he had never claimed this theory of "Akashvani". He had realised through years of observation and analysis (common method of learning). Budhdha was atheist. He was proponent of re-birth...
Is their any way people validated that, contemporary people had full faith on Muhammed? If that would have been the case (faith in Muhammed), Muhammed need not have taken up arms so many times...
Tahir...
Entire populations knew the charachters of Prophets. I don't know yours.
Ans: You don't need to know my character. Neither, I need to know yours. We are not debating about ourselves. It will be good to keep side personal matters...
11 marriages, child marriage, looting, then violent verses is enough to know about a person...
The site you are refering is islamic site. I know couple of sites, which tries to prove that moon was indeed split and the mark is available even now. Check WIKI (This is public site and most commonly used. They have better accountability than islamic sites).
I trust my mother, as he had brought me to earth. I have been brough up by my mother. I have no such connection with Muhammed. His deeds rather make me take suspiciously. A person claming spliting the moon is cheat to me. How he had convinced some arab beduines, it is the problem of the beduines of that time. Not mine.
Read the last post, last but one para. If all the living creatures are created by GOD, HE/SHE do not need to convey HIS/HER message to entire flora and fauna through a mediaval arab beduine and HE/SHE need not assume the name of Moon God of Kaabaa. HE/SHE needs to take care of animals (including human) and birds around the globe...
Coming to Budhdha, he had never claimed this theory of "Akashvani". He had realised through years of observation and analysis (common method of learning). Budhdha was atheist. He was proponent of re-birth...
Is their any way people validated that, contemporary people had full faith on Muhammed? If that would have been the case (faith in Muhammed), Muhammed need not have taken up arms so many times...
#550 Posted by jayp on April 11, 2008 2:34:45 am
Re: # 549
tahir,
Your penance has been accepted, you are forgiven.
You didnt get the title correct, include the authors name also,
" So said Zarrar: the impotence of un-natural erection".
tahir,
Your penance has been accepted, you are forgiven.
You didnt get the title correct, include the authors name also,
" So said Zarrar: the impotence of un-natural erection".
#549 Posted by tahir on April 11, 2008 2:24:01 am
The title of his next article is:
"The Impotence Of Unnatural Erection"
Now I must roll on the floor laughing, as penance of course!
Regards to all.
"The Impotence Of Unnatural Erection"
Now I must roll on the floor laughing, as penance of course!
Regards to all.
#548 Posted by jayp on April 11, 2008 2:22:43 am
Re: # 543
akcheema,
That is the problem with the book. The fatwa ensures that no one can re-interpret it. No one can even make a cartoon. Even a simple logical deduction can invoke legal action under blasphemy laws of pakistan. That poor mulsim man who said that the father of the prophet could not be a born muslim was killed.
Then of course one cannot recycle koran, old koran cannot be used to wrap peanuts, ...in the end the world will be full of korans the most indistructibe piece of paper.
Muslims have no hope of any kind of civil decent life as we understand it.
akcheema,
That is the problem with the book. The fatwa ensures that no one can re-interpret it. No one can even make a cartoon. Even a simple logical deduction can invoke legal action under blasphemy laws of pakistan. That poor mulsim man who said that the father of the prophet could not be a born muslim was killed.
Then of course one cannot recycle koran, old koran cannot be used to wrap peanuts, ...in the end the world will be full of korans the most indistructibe piece of paper.
Muslims have no hope of any kind of civil decent life as we understand it.
#547 Posted by tahir on April 11, 2008 2:19:38 am
Re: # 541
Does your mother, father, wife,, children, boss, dog, Buddha, or Rama love you. How do you know that? Why must you believe that?
Why must you believe in yourseld, who told you THAT?
Entire populations knew the charachters of Prophets. I don't know yours. Which hard-drive with 'bad sectors' do you come from? De-fragment your mental drive before you go bananas.
As for Ayesha's (peace on her) age at marriage, visit:
http://www.understanding-islam.com/ri/mi-004.htm
And then commit 'seppuku' immediately if you're half a samurai.
Does your mother, father, wife,, children, boss, dog, Buddha, or Rama love you. How do you know that? Why must you believe that?
Why must you believe in yourseld, who told you THAT?
Entire populations knew the charachters of Prophets. I don't know yours. Which hard-drive with 'bad sectors' do you come from? De-fragment your mental drive before you go bananas.
As for Ayesha's (peace on her) age at marriage, visit:
http://www.understanding-islam.com/ri/mi-004.htm
And then commit 'seppuku' immediately if you're half a samurai.
#546 Posted by vengatramanan on April 11, 2008 2:18:14 am
Re: # 538
Cheema Saab,
I am genuinely worried, on seeing people inflicting pain on themselves...Afterall the easier option is to stay away from Chowk...
Its hard to understand how people are so certain to make a wantonly obdurate opponent to see his point...This applies to people on both sides of the table...
Have a great Saturday and Sunday...Atleast atheists, like us, should enjoy the God created time and universe :)...
Cheema Saab,
I am genuinely worried, on seeing people inflicting pain on themselves...Afterall the easier option is to stay away from Chowk...
Its hard to understand how people are so certain to make a wantonly obdurate opponent to see his point...This applies to people on both sides of the table...
Have a great Saturday and Sunday...Atleast atheists, like us, should enjoy the God created time and universe :)...
#545 Posted by jayp on April 11, 2008 2:17:36 am
Re: # 542
nkg,
the personal life of any prophet should not be of much relevance, what si important is what he preached.
The focus on mohammed can only create problems, and his actions were corresponding to teh society where he lived.
The teachings are important, and that is what is guiding the muslims. Clearly we do have problems there.
nkg,
the personal life of any prophet should not be of much relevance, what si important is what he preached.
The focus on mohammed can only create problems, and his actions were corresponding to teh society where he lived.
The teachings are important, and that is what is guiding the muslims. Clearly we do have problems there.
#544 Posted by nkg on April 11, 2008 2:17:07 am
Re: # 540
Muslims follow Muhammed it does not imply, they have to be like Muhammed..."
Ans: This is already causing major problems. Muslims are highest breeders and lowest contributor towards society in Europe and India.
Muslims follow Muhammed it does not imply, they have to be like Muhammed..."
Ans: This is already causing major problems. Muslims are highest breeders and lowest contributor towards society in Europe and India.
#543 Posted by akcheema on April 11, 2008 2:15:16 am
It goes like this:
"my god/allah told me this because it is written in the koran; and who wrote the koran? god did! who said so? god! how do you know its true? because god said so in the koran! and who told you god is the author of the koran? because god's prophet told us! and who said he was god's prophet? god did! how do you know that? god said in the koran!"
"my god/allah told me this because it is written in the koran; and who wrote the koran? god did! who said so? god! how do you know its true? because god said so in the koran! and who told you god is the author of the koran? because god's prophet told us! and who said he was god's prophet? god did! how do you know that? god said in the koran!"
#542 Posted by nkg on April 11, 2008 2:10:47 am
Re: # 540
Muslims follow Muhammed it does not imply, they have to be like Muhammed..."
Ans: If that is so, it will cause meyhem to the world. 11 marriages; sex with minor; looting other's property...you will definitely land up in jail, if you are out side barbaric countries like Pakistan and Afghanisthan...
Materialistically, you can not sustain life without, out side help in these places (Afghanisthan and Pakistan is not even self suffiecnt in food and milk). Education, health, agriculture, construction, transportation - tell me in any field, you can survive without outside help....
Muslims follow Muhammed it does not imply, they have to be like Muhammed..."
Ans: If that is so, it will cause meyhem to the world. 11 marriages; sex with minor; looting other's property...you will definitely land up in jail, if you are out side barbaric countries like Pakistan and Afghanisthan...
Materialistically, you can not sustain life without, out side help in these places (Afghanisthan and Pakistan is not even self suffiecnt in food and milk). Education, health, agriculture, construction, transportation - tell me in any field, you can survive without outside help....
#541 Posted by nkg on April 11, 2008 2:05:41 am
Re: # 524
Tahir...
Quoting the Qur'an out of context is the general sickness with
Ans: In any context, that is seer violent...Read the life and preachings of Lord Budhdha...
And name the alleged forty wives of Prophet Muhammad (peace on him) for the benefit of ignorant Muslims. Please...
Ans: I have not claimed forty wives. But dfefinitely, he had more than 10 wives. In any circumstance, a 54 year old thinking of sex with 6 year old girl causes nauscea to average person. Again, don't bring this over used "out of context"....
Splitting moon is sheer cheating, you again don't need to bring context and cook up story to justify that...
Other posts read carefully. God do not need that particular arab beduine to instruct...HIS/HER instructions are ingrained within each living creature...A people living in South America,Australia or Japan have no access to that mediaval arab beduine. Don't they need Gods instructions? God is omnipresent and so, HE/SHE is aware of the limitation of any middle east beduine...Do HE/SHE need to speak to person specially on a mountain and when he is alone? If God is creator of all living creatures, how come HE/SHE needs life of his creation, on a particular day to be satisfied?
Anyhow, all these things are matter of sense...Somebody presented the weired arguments, people like you resort to ( circular reference. God has told to Muhammed. How you know that? It is written in Quoran. How you know that God's word is Quoran? Muhammed has told that...Entire matter is pure faith on a single person. No validation. When you study his other behavior, he looks more like a cheat to me.).
Tahir...
Quoting the Qur'an out of context is the general sickness with
Ans: In any context, that is seer violent...Read the life and preachings of Lord Budhdha...
And name the alleged forty wives of Prophet Muhammad (peace on him) for the benefit of ignorant Muslims. Please...
Ans: I have not claimed forty wives. But dfefinitely, he had more than 10 wives. In any circumstance, a 54 year old thinking of sex with 6 year old girl causes nauscea to average person. Again, don't bring this over used "out of context"....
Splitting moon is sheer cheating, you again don't need to bring context and cook up story to justify that...
Other posts read carefully. God do not need that particular arab beduine to instruct...HIS/HER instructions are ingrained within each living creature...A people living in South America,Australia or Japan have no access to that mediaval arab beduine. Don't they need Gods instructions? God is omnipresent and so, HE/SHE is aware of the limitation of any middle east beduine...Do HE/SHE need to speak to person specially on a mountain and when he is alone? If God is creator of all living creatures, how come HE/SHE needs life of his creation, on a particular day to be satisfied?
Anyhow, all these things are matter of sense...Somebody presented the weired arguments, people like you resort to ( circular reference. God has told to Muhammed. How you know that? It is written in Quoran. How you know that God's word is Quoran? Muhammed has told that...Entire matter is pure faith on a single person. No validation. When you study his other behavior, he looks more like a cheat to me.).
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