Feroz Qutabshahi April 3, 2008
#305 Posted by tahmed32 on April 7, 2008 2:29:22 am
majumdar qibla #302: unfortunately what i have noticed sir is that the wind cannot read political maps. similarly, global warming cannot understand that it should stop at immigration check posts of the bangladesh-india border. the fact is that coastal areas around the world (not just bangladesh) are headed towards becoming ocean floors within a few short decades.
no one can predict how all this will play out (e.g. will northern india and pakistan become waterless deserts? will the Siberia turn into a green pasture into which hundreds of millions of "climate refugees" from the sub-contiennt force their wa into?) but one thing is for sure - instead of wasting their little resources on warplanes and subs that serve no practical purpose and endless crap about kashmir, subcontinent governments should be getting serious about the climate problems looming over the next few decades.
no one can predict how all this will play out (e.g. will northern india and pakistan become waterless deserts? will the Siberia turn into a green pasture into which hundreds of millions of "climate refugees" from the sub-contiennt force their wa into?) but one thing is for sure - instead of wasting their little resources on warplanes and subs that serve no practical purpose and endless crap about kashmir, subcontinent governments should be getting serious about the climate problems looming over the next few decades.
#303 Posted by Kulharee on April 7, 2008 1:21:57 am
Ana, oh ho.. I most certainly realize that. My last post was directed to those who put themselves on a high moral pedestal and start passing judgments on others without even knowing any shyt they are talking about. TAhmad Sahib, for instance, makes an observation that kids that are being raised in some Desi families require more attention than the case of multiracial kids (because these poor kids are totally neglected by their Desi parents and when they try to emulate their peers in dressing up or wanting to try different foods, it bothers their parents and Islam and other stuff is revoked). You are by far the most knowlagable on this subject, and I enjoyed reading your views as well. Now don’t even think for a second that I am ever bothered by Lahori naivete even for a bit. Gimme a little more credit than that. Yassis!
T Saab. That’s what my observations have also been my interactions with many Pakistani families that live in New York. The contradictions in our communities are so vast and acerbic that one can only hope that the our next generation is a bit more assimilated, not so insulated and inward looking. Thanks for your kind words.
T Saab. That’s what my observations have also been my interactions with many Pakistani families that live in New York. The contradictions in our communities are so vast and acerbic that one can only hope that the our next generation is a bit more assimilated, not so insulated and inward looking. Thanks for your kind words.
#302 Posted by majumdar on April 6, 2008 11:40:12 pm
Tahmed sahib,
(has anyone wondered how a few short decades from now when all of bangladesh is under water, where will the 200-250 million bangladeshis go? )
As long as it is not India, I have no issues.
Regards
(has anyone wondered how a few short decades from now when all of bangladesh is under water, where will the 200-250 million bangladeshis go? )
As long as it is not India, I have no issues.
Regards
#301 Posted by tahir on April 6, 2008 9:32:39 pm
Re: # 220
All the grown man wants is 'cooked rare with extra mayonnaise' take-away at CHOWK. The only flaw with the order is that at Chowk, you don't ask for a take-away, you eat 'em alive!
):
All the grown man wants is 'cooked rare with extra mayonnaise' take-away at CHOWK. The only flaw with the order is that at Chowk, you don't ask for a take-away, you eat 'em alive!
):
#300 Posted by masadi on April 6, 2008 9:06:11 pm
neembu writes "And also Masadi,
perhaps you should be reviewing the overwhelming evidence of class based discrimination that is part and parcel of empire building. "
When race determines the class that is allocated to you- as the evidence reveal overwhelmingly- then you cannot say its class and not race. Second race difference as allocation of life chances is more persistent because this "acquired status" cannot be easily hidden or got rid of in a culture dominated by racism- hense the fact that the Irish overtime were accomodated and now there are no race based stats that show discrimination among any immigrant white ethnicity in the US while segregation indicies/ employment/income etc between white/black have remained high throughout the post slavery era....
perhaps you should be reviewing the overwhelming evidence of class based discrimination that is part and parcel of empire building. "
When race determines the class that is allocated to you- as the evidence reveal overwhelmingly- then you cannot say its class and not race. Second race difference as allocation of life chances is more persistent because this "acquired status" cannot be easily hidden or got rid of in a culture dominated by racism- hense the fact that the Irish overtime were accomodated and now there are no race based stats that show discrimination among any immigrant white ethnicity in the US while segregation indicies/ employment/income etc between white/black have remained high throughout the post slavery era....
#299 Posted by ana on April 6, 2008 6:51:40 pm
Kulharee pa ji, I hope you realize that whatever I have written is not to denigrate you or your wife, or Greeks, or whites or even us. I liked the article very much. I can see from what you have written and our other exchanges that you two do respect each others cultures and have made them your own. And if more people could do that, well, I'll just keep my "Lahori naivete" to myself. ;)
Yassou!
arjuna: Dude, Kosta in my Big Fat Greek Wedding would not have said that other civilizations gave us philosophy, arts and drama before the Greeks. Some Greeks really believe that they were the first.
Yassou!
arjuna: Dude, Kosta in my Big Fat Greek Wedding would not have said that other civilizations gave us philosophy, arts and drama before the Greeks. Some Greeks really believe that they were the first.
#298 Posted by arjun_5 on April 6, 2008 6:30:53 pm
#295 Posted by Kulharee on April 6, 2008 3:42:25 pm
while northern Europeans were climbing trees, Greeks had already conquered the world and built cities that are marveled to day. Ha ha about Greeks not feeling ‘white’. And yes, it were other civilizations that gave us philosophy, arts, drama, and not Greeks.
dude..you sound like the father from my big fat greek wedding...
while northern Europeans were climbing trees, Greeks had already conquered the world and built cities that are marveled to day. Ha ha about Greeks not feeling ‘white’. And yes, it were other civilizations that gave us philosophy, arts, drama, and not Greeks.
dude..you sound like the father from my big fat greek wedding...
#297 Posted by tahmed32 on April 6, 2008 6:09:37 pm
Feroz Axeman sahib: Finally read your article. I can see it comes from the heart, and enjoyed reading it.
You and your wife clearly have mutual respect for your different cultures.
I know a number of such mixed-heritage couples who have demonstrated similar mutual respect, and their children have in all cases grown up to be well-adjusted adults for whom their mixed culture background is an asset and not a liability.
Ironically, the most confused children I have seen have been where both couples were ultra-conservative Pakistanis. Thus, there is this girl who (per reports from her classmates) wears the hijab around her parents and takes it off in school. Then there was this brother and sister visiting from Pakistan who sat piously nodding their heads while their mother bragged about how strict they were in their hilal diet. And yet, the moment they were alone with some other kids, begged those kids to be taken to a some place with a big juicy totally non-hilal hamburger. This is just one example of the hypocrisy which is all that "islam lovers" breed when they seek to paint western culture as being corrupt and hold their "islamic culture" as being a stamp of moral superiority.
You and your wife clearly have mutual respect for your different cultures.
I know a number of such mixed-heritage couples who have demonstrated similar mutual respect, and their children have in all cases grown up to be well-adjusted adults for whom their mixed culture background is an asset and not a liability.
Ironically, the most confused children I have seen have been where both couples were ultra-conservative Pakistanis. Thus, there is this girl who (per reports from her classmates) wears the hijab around her parents and takes it off in school. Then there was this brother and sister visiting from Pakistan who sat piously nodding their heads while their mother bragged about how strict they were in their hilal diet. And yet, the moment they were alone with some other kids, begged those kids to be taken to a some place with a big juicy totally non-hilal hamburger. This is just one example of the hypocrisy which is all that "islam lovers" breed when they seek to paint western culture as being corrupt and hold their "islamic culture" as being a stamp of moral superiority.
#296 Posted by HP on April 6, 2008 3:42:35 pm
#293 Posted by neembu
Samina,
That is amazing! You can actually write something that makes sense. Were you not able to find any web site worthy of copy paste to respond to my post?
I think if you continue to write original pieces like the one you just posted #293, possibilities are that you may get a tenured position in the next fifty years.
But the amount of Cholesterol you carry may send you North of 125th street way before that!
Wish you best of luck in whatever you get first!
Samina,
That is amazing! You can actually write something that makes sense. Were you not able to find any web site worthy of copy paste to respond to my post?
I think if you continue to write original pieces like the one you just posted #293, possibilities are that you may get a tenured position in the next fifty years.
But the amount of Cholesterol you carry may send you North of 125th street way before that!
Wish you best of luck in whatever you get first!
#295 Posted by Kulharee on April 6, 2008 3:42:25 pm
Ana, the title was not given at an impulse, but after a serious reflection. The purpose was to highlight the challenges (many) such couples face, and the discussion that it generated proves my points very well (at least I would like to think so). Look at some jokers passing judgments on why people marry outside of their race, this type of garbage goes in our one ear and out the other. My wife is very respectful of values of my culture and dresses appropriate to Pakistani sensibilities while there. I think some people here need some serious counseling. As said earlier, bigots and racists come in every shape size and color, and by golly we have our fair share – but we are so fuking stupid to admit it and stupider to even confront it. Some Greek reading this would laugh at the suggestion that how they are not consider “white” by other whites.. they could give a fuk (as a group) about why would anyone worry about them being white or not. I have never known another group so proud of being who they are (sometimes too much of that can be annoying), and while northern Europeans were climbing trees, Greeks had already conquered the world and built cities that are marveled to day. Ha ha about Greeks not feeling ‘white’. And yes, it were other civilizations that gave us philosophy, arts, drama, and not Greeks.
#294 Posted by HP on April 6, 2008 3:33:04 pm
#292 peonofthewest
Thank you for your offer to send your mother over after diner. I really appreciate it. However, I have to decline this one as I don't like to hobnob with peons and servants in my household. They are just not my class. Also, they are just too poor to have some healthy mothers and sisters.
Anyway, scuttlebutt has it that your mother is nothing more than a hole in the wall!
Thanks!
Thank you for your offer to send your mother over after diner. I really appreciate it. However, I have to decline this one as I don't like to hobnob with peons and servants in my household. They are just not my class. Also, they are just too poor to have some healthy mothers and sisters.
Anyway, scuttlebutt has it that your mother is nothing more than a hole in the wall!
Thanks!
#293 Posted by neembu on April 6, 2008 3:25:44 pm
Re: # 291
Hari Pisshna,
Since you are a child when you were a child in those days that you were childish, not harishness, or pishness, or huppy ishness, but chishness, and chidewide, and smudged with pieshkii, we can only say your post is chispish.
Hari Pisshna,
Since you are a child when you were a child in those days that you were childish, not harishness, or pishness, or huppy ishness, but chishness, and chidewide, and smudged with pieshkii, we can only say your post is chispish.
#292 Posted by peonofthewest on April 6, 2008 1:37:53 pm
Re: # 291
HP saab (its not short for Horse Poo is it saab?), you are the stupid saab.
i dont like blackies myself saab. see what i said about the kaala bhooka bangaali saab.
saab you look like someone who is in a big need to have a woman saab (black or white or brown or yellow). given how stupid you are saab i dont think you can be too picky saab
HP saab (its not short for Horse Poo is it saab?), you are the stupid saab.
i dont like blackies myself saab. see what i said about the kaala bhooka bangaali saab.
saab you look like someone who is in a big need to have a woman saab (black or white or brown or yellow). given how stupid you are saab i dont think you can be too picky saab
#291 Posted by HP on April 6, 2008 12:50:09 pm
#202 Posted by neembu
Samina,
I thought you know a little bit about the social, economic, and cultural issues. Your question to Asadi really tells me that there really is not much depth in your thoughts.
There is no way any sensible person would misconstrue what Asadi said. Too bad, you can’t figure it out yourself. So let me help here.
You appear to be a Chomsky fan so I will refer you to one of his recent article.
http://www.chomsky.info/articles/20080226.htm
Try to relate what Chomsky wrote with what Asadi has posted. Often, I don’t agree with Chomsky but a liberal and radical like you would wanna figure out how the things are implied in written political pieces and how the words are used in political speeches.
Childish questions like that don’t enhance your profile.
Samina,
I thought you know a little bit about the social, economic, and cultural issues. Your question to Asadi really tells me that there really is not much depth in your thoughts.
There is no way any sensible person would misconstrue what Asadi said. Too bad, you can’t figure it out yourself. So let me help here.
You appear to be a Chomsky fan so I will refer you to one of his recent article.
http://www.chomsky.info/articles/20080226.htm
Try to relate what Chomsky wrote with what Asadi has posted. Often, I don’t agree with Chomsky but a liberal and radical like you would wanna figure out how the things are implied in written political pieces and how the words are used in political speeches.
Childish questions like that don’t enhance your profile.
#290 Posted by saadya on April 6, 2008 12:49:21 pm
Re: # 287
iam thankful to you for that
& I didnt took it personally
iam thankful to you for that
& I didnt took it personally
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