Feroz Qutabshahi April 3, 2008
#33 Posted by hamidm2 on April 4, 2008 9:17:44 am
Re: # 29
urstruly,
... the only arabs who have a right to vote are the million or so who are citizens of israel ........ go figure
....... according to my friend tehsin who just came back from a vacation in israel and jordan, the arabs are like the ghetto blacks in america ..... he did not see any lines or queues at the check points and the only time he was harassed by anyone was by fellow moslems at aqsa who barred the women of his family from entering because of 'improper' islamic attire ...... and let's not forget that when the muslims had control over jerusalem jews were banned from praying at the wailing wall which is all that is left of their temple which is buried under a monstrous mosque ....
..... as i have always said, israel is a shining beacon of light in that wasteland of igonorance ......
urstruly,
... the only arabs who have a right to vote are the million or so who are citizens of israel ........ go figure
....... according to my friend tehsin who just came back from a vacation in israel and jordan, the arabs are like the ghetto blacks in america ..... he did not see any lines or queues at the check points and the only time he was harassed by anyone was by fellow moslems at aqsa who barred the women of his family from entering because of 'improper' islamic attire ...... and let's not forget that when the muslims had control over jerusalem jews were banned from praying at the wailing wall which is all that is left of their temple which is buried under a monstrous mosque ....
..... as i have always said, israel is a shining beacon of light in that wasteland of igonorance ......
#34 Posted by Urstruly on April 4, 2008 9:29:40 am
Re: # 33
"and let's not forget that when the muslims had control over jerusalem jews were banned from praying at the wailing wall which is all that is left of their temple which is buried under a monstrous mosque .... "
This is a white lie. The fact is that when Calph Omar (RA) conquered Jerusalem, it was the 500th year that Jews were forbidden to enter the Holy City. Muslims were the first to allow them in after centuries. The hetered of Muslims is one thing but being at least honmest to historical truths is another thing.
The very reason Arabs don't vote, (as if it is some kind of Divine mandate) is because the corrupt ruling elite like yourself who is subjugating them. It is the progeny of those who sold Muslims to the western colonial aggression. last time I checked the Israeli neghbor was fuctional democracy until your peo interfered into it caused it to be a failed state.
"and let's not forget that when the muslims had control over jerusalem jews were banned from praying at the wailing wall which is all that is left of their temple which is buried under a monstrous mosque .... "
This is a white lie. The fact is that when Calph Omar (RA) conquered Jerusalem, it was the 500th year that Jews were forbidden to enter the Holy City. Muslims were the first to allow them in after centuries. The hetered of Muslims is one thing but being at least honmest to historical truths is another thing.
The very reason Arabs don't vote, (as if it is some kind of Divine mandate) is because the corrupt ruling elite like yourself who is subjugating them. It is the progeny of those who sold Muslims to the western colonial aggression. last time I checked the Israeli neghbor was fuctional democracy until your peo interfered into it caused it to be a failed state.
#36 Posted by CreateAlpha on April 4, 2008 9:37:45 am
Mohammed's quran can say whatever it wants...but the rest of the world thinks Jews are the chosen people for abraham's god. Nothing you can do about it but let the sores on your leaky behind fester
#37 Posted by hamidm2 on April 4, 2008 9:44:13 am
Re: # 34
urstruly,
... i am not talking about omar shumar, i am talking about the jordanians in 1967 when jerusalem was finally liberated
urstruly,
... i am not talking about omar shumar, i am talking about the jordanians in 1967 when jerusalem was finally liberated
#38 Posted by Urstruly on April 4, 2008 9:48:21 am
Re: # 37
Perhaps it had to do with the senseless massacres of Arabs that Jewish settlers started doing right after the end of WWII and stealing Arab lands?
Perhaps it had to do with the senseless massacres of Arabs that Jewish settlers started doing right after the end of WWII and stealing Arab lands?
#39 Posted by hamidm2 on April 4, 2008 9:50:05 am
Re: # 38
who owns the jewish and christian lands in saudi arabia ?
who owns the jewish and christian lands in saudi arabia ?
#40 Posted by Urstruly on April 4, 2008 9:53:21 am
Re: # 39
Lets ask Ban ki Moon. Lately he has been whining profusely that he and his organization are a honest broker.
Lets ask Ban ki Moon. Lately he has been whining profusely that he and his organization are a honest broker.
#41 Posted by arjun_5 on April 4, 2008 10:11:42 am
23 Posted by Naqshbandi on April 4, 2008 6:02:54 am
for example a paki marries a chinese girl
The kid will get straight As, play the violin and go on to be a suicide bomber..
for example a paki marries a chinese girl
The kid will get straight As, play the violin and go on to be a suicide bomber..
#42 Posted by arjun_5 on April 4, 2008 10:14:11 am
#36 Posted by CreateAlpha on April 4, 2008 9:37:45 am
but the rest of the world thinks Jews are the chosen people
pakis are allah's chosen muslims...allah's jews, if you will..
but the rest of the world thinks Jews are the chosen people
pakis are allah's chosen muslims...allah's jews, if you will..
#43 Posted by TOLKININ on April 4, 2008 10:44:47 am
If Gandhi is Father (of india nation)then he does Not give permission to his children to marry 'ouside'....
some of his opinion Sadna has denied but here it is Gandhi on interracial marriage and racial equality:
“We believe as much in the purity of race as we think they do, only we believe that they would best serve these interests, which are as dear to us as to them, by advocating the purity of all races, and not one alone. We believe also that the white race of South Africa should be the predominating race.”
Indian Opinion, Sep. 24, 1903
The petition dwells upon “the commingling of the Coloured and white races”. May we inform the members of the conference that, so far as the British Indians are concerned, such a thing is practically unknown? If there is one thing which the Indian cherishes more than any other, it is the purity of type.
Indian Opinion Dec. 24, 1903
On the other hand the 'new ' gandhis
its no surprise that Gandhi's don't believe in marrying with there own gujju kind, . They always seem to look elsewhere .
Well I was just reading that Rahul Gandhi is now interested in marrying a hispanic women who is also studying in a University in England (Oxford i think). He is currently 39 years old is mostly likely to run the congress after Manmohan Singh finishes his term. Surprisingly Sonia Gandhi is not encouraging the hispanic women from marrying her son, because of her bad experiences!!!
So its already happened before that a foreigner is running things in india (Sonia Gandhi), but what is the probablity that it will happen once again??? Gandhi's are also known to be assisinated so probablity is high that a Rahul Gandhi can be assisinated by islamic terrorists (lol). So chances are there that his hispanic wife can become another powerful figure. I swear if another foreiner comes into power than I am removing my citizenship status!!! rather have an indian muslim as the prime minster of india than some foreigner.
some of his opinion Sadna has denied but here it is Gandhi on interracial marriage and racial equality:
“We believe as much in the purity of race as we think they do, only we believe that they would best serve these interests, which are as dear to us as to them, by advocating the purity of all races, and not one alone. We believe also that the white race of South Africa should be the predominating race.”
Indian Opinion, Sep. 24, 1903
The petition dwells upon “the commingling of the Coloured and white races”. May we inform the members of the conference that, so far as the British Indians are concerned, such a thing is practically unknown? If there is one thing which the Indian cherishes more than any other, it is the purity of type.
Indian Opinion Dec. 24, 1903
On the other hand the 'new ' gandhis
its no surprise that Gandhi's don't believe in marrying with there own gujju kind, . They always seem to look elsewhere .
Well I was just reading that Rahul Gandhi is now interested in marrying a hispanic women who is also studying in a University in England (Oxford i think). He is currently 39 years old is mostly likely to run the congress after Manmohan Singh finishes his term. Surprisingly Sonia Gandhi is not encouraging the hispanic women from marrying her son, because of her bad experiences!!!
So its already happened before that a foreigner is running things in india (Sonia Gandhi), but what is the probablity that it will happen once again??? Gandhi's are also known to be assisinated so probablity is high that a Rahul Gandhi can be assisinated by islamic terrorists (lol). So chances are there that his hispanic wife can become another powerful figure. I swear if another foreiner comes into power than I am removing my citizenship status!!! rather have an indian muslim as the prime minster of india than some foreigner.
#44 Posted by ana on April 4, 2008 11:50:57 am
Kulharee,
A very good article. Now you need to write one about faith-blind love, or someone does. :)
A very good article. Now you need to write one about faith-blind love, or someone does. :)
#46 Posted by banneditem on April 4, 2008 12:41:46 pm
Dear Feroz Qutubshai,
My apologies that my humble quote
"The book of Nehemiah
13:27: Shall we then hearken unto you to do all this great evil, to transgress against our God in marrying strange wives."
has resulted in arab-israeli skirmish.
#32
Brother Urstruly Sahib,
What Quran says generally is also present in Old Testament, Quran is an extract/ and or an extension from OT with a few bells and whistles added for the locals(arabs).
When the question of "who is correct?" or which abrahamic faiths is correct, is where I deviate, cause IMHO it doesnt matter, its the message that one should pay attention too, rather than follow a parable of lets say David and how he slew the philistine also mentioned in Quran literally, and go one slewing philistinnes and israelites. Or take a Jihadi phrase written for a specific time in Quran for a specific event and apply it in our daily lives and call for jihad actually instigating it on almost all occasions.
As far as Jews practicing superiority or not getting into marriages outside of their faith is practiced in other faiths and cultures to this day. Bhorays in Karachi tend to marry within their own circles, Druze or north iraq Kurds are another example (recently a girl was lynched if you remember). Muslims tend to stay within their own faith and if caught in an inter-religion marriage to convert or atleast its encouraged. I believe what Feroz Qutubshai is trying to hilight is that winds of changes are blowing. He wants to sound like Al Gore the alarmist and wants people to take action.
Peace
My apologies that my humble quote
"The book of Nehemiah
13:27: Shall we then hearken unto you to do all this great evil, to transgress against our God in marrying strange wives."
has resulted in arab-israeli skirmish.
#32
Brother Urstruly Sahib,
What Quran says generally is also present in Old Testament, Quran is an extract/ and or an extension from OT with a few bells and whistles added for the locals(arabs).
When the question of "who is correct?" or which abrahamic faiths is correct, is where I deviate, cause IMHO it doesnt matter, its the message that one should pay attention too, rather than follow a parable of lets say David and how he slew the philistine also mentioned in Quran literally, and go one slewing philistinnes and israelites. Or take a Jihadi phrase written for a specific time in Quran for a specific event and apply it in our daily lives and call for jihad actually instigating it on almost all occasions.
As far as Jews practicing superiority or not getting into marriages outside of their faith is practiced in other faiths and cultures to this day. Bhorays in Karachi tend to marry within their own circles, Druze or north iraq Kurds are another example (recently a girl was lynched if you remember). Muslims tend to stay within their own faith and if caught in an inter-religion marriage to convert or atleast its encouraged. I believe what Feroz Qutubshai is trying to hilight is that winds of changes are blowing. He wants to sound like Al Gore the alarmist and wants people to take action.
Peace
#47 Posted by mohar11 on April 4, 2008 12:49:45 pm
Why is urstruly crying on behalf of arabs? What does he, a self-proclaimed "suryavanshi rajput", have common with bedouins, except for head-banging five times a day?
#48 Posted by VRV on April 4, 2008 1:46:47 pm
Well written (with a couple of his usual humour).
As for God of Muslims and Jews (or for that matter Christians) it's one and the same. The fact was confimred by the King of Arabia recently (with the concurrence of Wahabi family).
Conservative Muslims deny that they glorify/worship Jewish prophets/figures starting with Abraham, Musa, Isa and horrible of all the most famous Jewish King David (as Dawood).
The only Muslim prophet was Muhammed. Rest of them were Jews.
++
Corss-pollination had to take place in this world. Arabs did it big time on Mesopotamians & Egyptians to begin with followed by campaigns in northern Africa. Europeans did in South America, Oz & NZ.
I always wonder why arabs conquered Sindh but refused to hybridise our peoples? :(
Persians helped us later on as a consolation.
++
I met a Bangaldeshi Muslim who married a Russian Jew.They live in Israel. He speaks fluent Russian and German. His views on Islam are liberal and he thinks that Palestenians make a mountain outta molehill (regular clashes etc.,)!?!?!
As for God of Muslims and Jews (or for that matter Christians) it's one and the same. The fact was confimred by the King of Arabia recently (with the concurrence of Wahabi family).
Conservative Muslims deny that they glorify/worship Jewish prophets/figures starting with Abraham, Musa, Isa and horrible of all the most famous Jewish King David (as Dawood).
The only Muslim prophet was Muhammed. Rest of them were Jews.
++
Corss-pollination had to take place in this world. Arabs did it big time on Mesopotamians & Egyptians to begin with followed by campaigns in northern Africa. Europeans did in South America, Oz & NZ.
I always wonder why arabs conquered Sindh but refused to hybridise our peoples? :(
Persians helped us later on as a consolation.
++
I met a Bangaldeshi Muslim who married a Russian Jew.They live in Israel. He speaks fluent Russian and German. His views on Islam are liberal and he thinks that Palestenians make a mountain outta molehill (regular clashes etc.,)!?!?!
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