Bhutto’s Judicial Murder Revisited

Can we stop this bickering here Asadi and Yassar?

The reality is that there were more similarities than differences between the two leaders. They came from different backgrounds and from another era of political development. While Bhutto was no doubt a genius in terms of playing games, setting up the political situations and taking advantages of the situations. The problem was his political development took place when he was working with different dictatorial leaders. So he had a difficult time understanding the democratic processes and tolerances.

Jinnah emerged in extremely competitive environs and he had solid experience with different shades of politicians. While both clearly were good leaders, jinnah created a coalition of hugely diverse people and dealt with an opposition that was not only strong but was also led by some astute politicians such as Gandhi and Sardar Patel.

Both had amazing qualities of working against the status quo. Jinnah was able to create a space out of nowhere surprising many opponents. Bhutto too found an opening in working as a minority party.

Though Asadi's assessment in #6 is accurate and I agree with that completely.

First of all you haven't had any thing of any notable academic value as response except it is because you say so. Out of the known fallacies, you employ 99 percent and still fail to convince people of your third rate arguments.

But What is this with you and everything being about HP. Most of your books are crap and you know it. No one has insinuated anything about HP.

But even HP, who you declare as your greatest supporter, does not agree with many things you write. As for your great friendship for social justice blah blah - I am glad and no I am not "jealous" of your "special" relationship with HP.

Like I said this fool is a charlatan, not only have I answered the solitary claim he raised in his post against ZAB, he has never addressed any of my points with reasons of his own, other than copy pastes of claims by some Western historians and ad hominem agianst me (and in this case my book which he hasn't read)

He writes " which I hear is not much to read"

You heard from whom? He wants to insinuate that he heard that the book is no good from HP of course. He couldn't stand the admiration that HP has had all through my chowk career for my writings so now he wants to create a rift between this friendship for social justice. I don't care what anyone thinks of my work but more than that I don't trust charlatans like you, third rate minds that cannot think worth sh** the sum total of whose life and thought is based on man worship and the authority of others....

Re: # 16

Masadi mian,

Every single one of our discussion ended in you running away unable to answer direct questions.

All of your posts are pure crap like your website and your latest book- which I hear is not much to read. No real Bhutto-admirer or PPP Supporter would want to associate with unthinking and unintelligent fellow like you.

"I similarly raised hell at home and got into a lot of trouble"

One can sympathize with your poor parents... must have been Karma for something they had done to deserve you as a son.

Re#14,15- the common cheap sh** as rebuttal that we have come to expect of you...

Re: # 14

PS: For the record though it is always you who have run away from the discussion with your tail between your legs after being comprehensively shown to be the worthless idiot that you truly are.

Dear Masadi,

Claiming something does not make it true. My posts and yours are there. Other than abuse and similar pathetic attacks you have had nothing to contribute. There is no ZAB/MAJ debate outside that head of yours. All of ZAB's true followers are also MAJ to the hilt, as ZAB was himself so.

g'night

For the info of the ones who have come late into this ZAB/MAJ discussion, all this was discussed over two or three almost entire threads and the High Priest (not to be mistaken with HP) of the Church of MAJ (Manto) put his tail between his legs and ran off defeated. Now he repeats the same redundant points of the Mullah retreat and other BS when the military/US wanted to undo the entire country using the Mullah as an easy escape to attack socialism as being unIslamic and ZAB understood their shenanigans, he understood their trap, manuvered around it and was therefore murdered because they lost their patience with a man of greater intelligence than they all could collectively muster- the Americans included....MAJ was nothing compared to ZAB- end of story, and I am not interested in discussing anything leave alone ZAB/MAJ with this charlatan and dishonest freak Manto.....and yes my parents raised me very well to think for myself and when they forced me to think their way, I similarly raised hell at home and got into a lot of trouble...but that goes with the turf, freedom and independence is not free neither is it a slogan like the goddamned US elite use it.....now go to hell

Ofcourse fix the gap in that link.

Zeemax,

On a slightly irrelevant issue: the murder of Bhutto's great comrade Hayat Khan Sherpao... I found this very interesting blog on the issue:

http://fiverupees.blogspot.com/2008/03/hayat-khan-sherpao-some-conspir acy.html

What do you make of this? I find the allegations against Bhutto at the end to be hillarious. Do you think it is possible Sherpao and Benazir were in some sort of a relationship?

The court acquitted Asfandyar Wali Khan and other accused. I did not know this. Third part is as hillarious as it is sad.

I am surprised how blind people can be. Only a few days ago an ANP supporter declared that I was not neutral because I was a PPP Jiyala and Bhuttoist.

On the other hand we have this masadi fellow-completely obsessed with me and abusing me for pointing out Bhutto's obvious flaws.

The fault lies with me for being balanced in a world full of extremists.

Zulfikar Ali Bhutto's judicial murder was one of the greatest tragedies in our country's history. There is much that Bhutto did that one cannot agree with but he was at the end of the day, an elected Prime Minister and a man who was a true patriot who believed in Pakistan and its raison d etre. It is about time that the nation recognized the great patriot that Bhutto was and accept him as a great leader warts and all.



Masadi mian,

I am not sure what your problem is? Did you parents no raise you right or something?

If you think ZAB was better than MAJ, you are entitled to your opinion - I am not sure why it bothers you that I cannot agree with you on this opinion?... besides we know Bhutto himself was Jinnah's greatest fan and remained one till his dying day (Bhutto also admired intensely Kemal Ataturk btw... so Jinnah and Ataturk as Bhutto's heroes - the worst sin I suppose for you). There is no doubt that Bhutto would have been one of the greatest men in history if he had the integrity and honesty and uprightness of Jinnah. Sadly though Bhutto could not rise above his own weaknesses and in the process undid the good that he had done.

My fear is that when history is written, Musharraf is not compared to Zulfikar Ali Bhutto, because barring Bhutto, it is Musharraf who has made the most retreats in front of the clergy... just like Bhutto with his ban on alcohol, ahmaddiya legislation, friday as the weekly holiday, ban on pubs, clubs etc... and his reactionary little Islamic Summit Conference of worthless Kings and uniformed dictators from the "Ummah".

I hope Bhutto is remembered instead as the father of Pakistan's constitution and as a great albeit flawed leader.

KKG

Good article, Jeeay Bhutto.

Justice demands that we dig Zia's dentures from Islamabad and have them dispatched to the south pole or some place far away from Pakistan.

gdb writes "Ali Bhutto marshalled the Punjabi clique spearheaded by the omnipotent army of Pakistan to deprive the bengalis of their political rights; India merely acted as a catalyst to Bengali fervour!"

This is total horse shit. The bengalis political rights were ensured by releasing Mujib whom the military and not ZAB had imprisoned. ZAB merely protected the political rights of his constituents in the West, who were not represented by mujib, in the all or none BS of mujib that was actually a ploy to break the nation down the road, not in two but in many parts...The blame for the breakup lies at the feet of the Pakistan Army and Pakistan Army alone, it was weakened after and not before the surrender to the Indian army. The Pakistan Army doesn't take directions from politicians in Pakistan...if you don't understand this basic premise then you understand zero about Pakistan, spare us the HS, horse shit.