Karamatullah K Ghori April 3, 2008
#113 Posted by MantoLives on April 5, 2008 11:23:03 pm
Re: # 111
So now you propose to speak for Gandhuji from beyond?
I don't need to prove myself more Pakistani. No one has doubted my Pakistani credentials.
I suppose you are in the habit of dealing with Indian Muslims who have to prove themselves more Indian than others... but no such issue exists here in Pakistan.
So now you propose to speak for Gandhuji from beyond?
I don't need to prove myself more Pakistani. No one has doubted my Pakistani credentials.
I suppose you are in the habit of dealing with Indian Muslims who have to prove themselves more Indian than others... but no such issue exists here in Pakistan.
#114 Posted by zeemax on April 5, 2008 11:24:35 pm
#112 Posted by akcheema,
Why'm I being mentioned? I haven't read previous posts so perhaps you could briefly update me :)
Why'm I being mentioned? I haven't read previous posts so perhaps you could briefly update me :)
#115 Posted by MantoLives on April 5, 2008 11:32:11 pm
Re: # 112
Akcheema,
Frankly I don't get the point of your post or your profession of atheism or other successes in life.
First of all I am not from any group as I am just a Pakistani... and nothing else. Pakistanis have the right to decide whatever system of government they wish to have... Jinnah or no Jinnah. Secondly... Jamaat-e-Islami has never been a force in Pakistani electoral politics... it got some seats last time around on the basis of anti-American sentiment and that has nothing to do with any religious agenda.
Akcheema,
Frankly I don't get the point of your post or your profession of atheism or other successes in life.
First of all I am not from any group as I am just a Pakistani... and nothing else. Pakistanis have the right to decide whatever system of government they wish to have... Jinnah or no Jinnah. Secondly... Jamaat-e-Islami has never been a force in Pakistani electoral politics... it got some seats last time around on the basis of anti-American sentiment and that has nothing to do with any religious agenda.
#116 Posted by akcheema on April 5, 2008 11:32:11 pm
Re: # 114 Zee:
because you might want to slate me as usual!
Contrary to what you think, I admire your convictions; at least you stand for something and let it be known.
because you might want to slate me as usual!
Contrary to what you think, I admire your convictions; at least you stand for something and let it be known.
#117 Posted by vengatramanan on April 5, 2008 11:35:04 pm
Manto,
You are a fool, charlatan and
one who has immoderate desires. You will go anylength to see fruition of your undeserving desires.
Anybody can see through a schmuck and you no more than anything of entertainment value to your real Pakistanis.
God forbid, if you manage something in your political career it would be because of fanning hatred and definitely would not be due to your leadership skills. I don't see you having an agenda for the people rather you have one for yourself . That's the only way you can make a career.
Don't underestimate your Muslim compatriots.
You are a fool, charlatan and
one who has immoderate desires. You will go anylength to see fruition of your undeserving desires.
Anybody can see through a schmuck and you no more than anything of entertainment value to your real Pakistanis.
God forbid, if you manage something in your political career it would be because of fanning hatred and definitely would not be due to your leadership skills. I don't see you having an agenda for the people rather you have one for yourself . That's the only way you can make a career.
Don't underestimate your Muslim compatriots.
#118 Posted by zeemax on April 5, 2008 11:36:34 pm
#116 Posted by akcheema,
Thanks! And why would I want to slate you? You're a god guy but confused ... I have just been clarifying your own position to you :)
Thanks! And why would I want to slate you? You're a god guy but confused ... I have just been clarifying your own position to you :)
#119 Posted by MantoLives on April 5, 2008 11:40:04 pm
Re: # 117
What a fool. I and making a career on Chowk? You imagine chutiyas like you are going to help me in my electoral prospects. You are the real idiot here.
Finally the mask comes off the ugly Gandhuian face.
What a fool. I and making a career on Chowk? You imagine chutiyas like you are going to help me in my electoral prospects. You are the real idiot here.
Finally the mask comes off the ugly Gandhuian face.
#120 Posted by vengatramanan on April 5, 2008 11:48:14 pm
"No one has doubted my Pakistani credentials."
You have not crossed the bridge yet. Remember Muslims are Muslims first and then all the other tags. You have overestimated yourself without taking time to discern what could be the people like, sitting across the table.
Do you believe Gandhiji bashing can ascribe to your eligibility to be a minister. If you still think so, after seeing Muslims' intelligence and convictions on this site, you are the epitome of an imbecile.
You have not crossed the bridge yet. Remember Muslims are Muslims first and then all the other tags. You have overestimated yourself without taking time to discern what could be the people like, sitting across the table.
Do you believe Gandhiji bashing can ascribe to your eligibility to be a minister. If you still think so, after seeing Muslims' intelligence and convictions on this site, you are the epitome of an imbecile.
#121 Posted by MantoLives on April 5, 2008 11:55:10 pm
Re: # 120
Yawn. Yet another chutiya claiming that I am attacking Gandhuji for some ministerial ambition. I am merely responding to the hatemongering by your compatriots. I have no other career objectives.
Yawn. Yet another chutiya claiming that I am attacking Gandhuji for some ministerial ambition. I am merely responding to the hatemongering by your compatriots. I have no other career objectives.
#122 Posted by vengatramanan on April 5, 2008 11:55:40 pm
Re: # 119
Go get some counselling from Ahmed Madani Saab. He is a man who will not hesitate to speak what he feels as truth.
Confess to Madani Saab about your immoderate desires and ask him if they have any propriety. Don't worry about my mask coming off, all of my masks will speak something that is not contingent on my survival.
Go get some counselling from Ahmed Madani Saab. He is a man who will not hesitate to speak what he feels as truth.
Confess to Madani Saab about your immoderate desires and ask him if they have any propriety. Don't worry about my mask coming off, all of my masks will speak something that is not contingent on my survival.
#123 Posted by MantoLives on April 6, 2008 12:00:30 am
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#124 Posted by zeemax on April 6, 2008 12:06:41 am
vengatramananm
Lemme tell you something my friend. As you may have seen the past few weeks since the elections, all Pakistanis - whether conservative, liberal, hard-line Muslims, non-Muslims, or even agnostics or outright apostated like hamidm2 - agree on one thing which is ALL are Pakistanis. And manto, is without doubt one of the truest Pakistanis I have come across.
So please stop your nefarious designs :)
Lemme tell you something my friend. As you may have seen the past few weeks since the elections, all Pakistanis - whether conservative, liberal, hard-line Muslims, non-Muslims, or even agnostics or outright apostated like hamidm2 - agree on one thing which is ALL are Pakistanis. And manto, is without doubt one of the truest Pakistanis I have come across.
So please stop your nefarious designs :)
#125 Posted by vengatramanan on April 6, 2008 12:20:13 am
Manto,
Do understand that a leader, who can empathise with masses who even don't know what they need, is the most needed now. People who are ready to play to the gallery for the sake of personal aggrandizement are the least needed. People who can reproduce reams and reams of past from dubious History books, having an agenda of their own, are the least needed. We need leaders who can take cognizant of the present and future.
If you really love Pakistan, detach yourself from your ambitions. You cannot be a leader as you don't belong to the largest constituent, which will automatically strip the essential reproaching authority over people when most needed.
Do understand that a leader, who can empathise with masses who even don't know what they need, is the most needed now. People who are ready to play to the gallery for the sake of personal aggrandizement are the least needed. People who can reproduce reams and reams of past from dubious History books, having an agenda of their own, are the least needed. We need leaders who can take cognizant of the present and future.
If you really love Pakistan, detach yourself from your ambitions. You cannot be a leader as you don't belong to the largest constituent, which will automatically strip the essential reproaching authority over people when most needed.
#126 Posted by vengatramanan on April 6, 2008 12:36:50 am
Zeemax,
Let us not pussy-foot issues. Tell me if Manto would be allowed to have the reproaching authority
over people of Islamic Republic of Pakistan? Does he stand a chance to know the idiosyncrasies of the predominantly Muslim people?
I am just trying to say that slandering Gandhiji would not land him a ministerial job, people are no more carried away, atleast in the circles that matter. How can Manto make a good leader just because he is the best in slandering Gandhiji?
Let us not pussy-foot issues. Tell me if Manto would be allowed to have the reproaching authority
over people of Islamic Republic of Pakistan? Does he stand a chance to know the idiosyncrasies of the predominantly Muslim people?
I am just trying to say that slandering Gandhiji would not land him a ministerial job, people are no more carried away, atleast in the circles that matter. How can Manto make a good leader just because he is the best in slandering Gandhiji?
#127 Posted by MantoLives on April 6, 2008 12:38:48 am
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#128 Posted by akcheema on April 6, 2008 12:52:52 am
Re: # 126; vengat
I never questioned Manto Sahib's Pakistaniyet; let's get that straight. I think it would be good for Pakistan to have some space to work out its issues and hopefully sort them out in due course.
Manto sahib understands where I was coming from; the outburst was a bit sudden though!!
Cheers
I never questioned Manto Sahib's Pakistaniyet; let's get that straight. I think it would be good for Pakistan to have some space to work out its issues and hopefully sort them out in due course.
Manto sahib understands where I was coming from; the outburst was a bit sudden though!!
Cheers
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