Karamatullah K Ghori April 3, 2008
#81 Posted by sadna on April 5, 2008 8:56:16 am
Essensaur
A bigDa hua shehzada or much indulged prince, to pander to whose calculated tantrums and moods(or personality disorders, depending on degree), tens or hundreds of thousands have to die. This is the most dangerous type of personality to leave any public policymaking up to.
A bigDa hua shehzada or much indulged prince, to pander to whose calculated tantrums and moods(or personality disorders, depending on degree), tens or hundreds of thousands have to die. This is the most dangerous type of personality to leave any public policymaking up to.
#82 Posted by rf786 on April 5, 2008 9:09:16 am
Re: # 74
tahmed32
{What is compelling Zardari to step down from the high ground he had initially acquired with his calls for national unity?}
Dear Ahmed sahib, have you heard of self-preservation?
Chaudhry Iftikhar is the same CJ who rescinded the NRO and guess who filed the case in Supreme Court, none other than Shahbaz Sharif. As per PPP, CH Iftikhar is unacceptable because he is politicized and appears to be in cahoots with the Sharifs, more importantly its also a matter of establishing credit for restoration of democracy. Lawyers movement would like to push their agenda and that suits the Sharifs whereas PPP would like to emphasize BB policy of transitioning democracy.
Much is at stake here sir, I have said this before to you, do not romantacize this judiciary, they too will throw in the towel provided the booty and threat is large enough.
tahmed32
{What is compelling Zardari to step down from the high ground he had initially acquired with his calls for national unity?}
Dear Ahmed sahib, have you heard of self-preservation?
Chaudhry Iftikhar is the same CJ who rescinded the NRO and guess who filed the case in Supreme Court, none other than Shahbaz Sharif. As per PPP, CH Iftikhar is unacceptable because he is politicized and appears to be in cahoots with the Sharifs, more importantly its also a matter of establishing credit for restoration of democracy. Lawyers movement would like to push their agenda and that suits the Sharifs whereas PPP would like to emphasize BB policy of transitioning democracy.
Much is at stake here sir, I have said this before to you, do not romantacize this judiciary, they too will throw in the towel provided the booty and threat is large enough.
#83 Posted by bjkumar on April 5, 2008 9:15:33 am
#81 Sadna
[A bigDa hua shehzada or much indulged prince, to pander to whose calculated tantrums and moods(or personality disorders, depending on degree), tens or hundreds of thousands have to die. This is the most dangerous type of personality to leave any public policymaking up to.]
Change that to "millions" and you are talking of that Jinnah creep!
#84 Posted by MantoLives on April 5, 2008 9:16:23 am
Mian "pakistan-3",
You can go on and on about anything you wish. Certainly India does not displease me nor can the realities of history be changed.
As for what you could be, that is for you to imagine. I only know what I am and I am pleased to be what I am.
You can go on and on about anything you wish. Certainly India does not displease me nor can the realities of history be changed.
As for what you could be, that is for you to imagine. I only know what I am and I am pleased to be what I am.
#85 Posted by bjkumar on April 5, 2008 9:20:13 am
Re: # 84
[I only know what I am and I am pleased to be what I am.]
Yes, miaN PopEye!
[I only know what I am and I am pleased to be what I am.]
Yes, miaN PopEye!
#86 Posted by rf786 on April 5, 2008 9:31:30 am
Re: # 83
bjkumar
Dear sir, MAJ has been dead for a good sixty years, yet you harbor so much hatred, that is neither healthy nor is it constructive.
bjkumar
Dear sir, MAJ has been dead for a good sixty years, yet you harbor so much hatred, that is neither healthy nor is it constructive.
#87 Posted by anil on April 5, 2008 9:46:45 am
Re: # 54
Yasser:
"...The transformation of Mr. Sharif is the greatest thing that has happened to Pakistan recently. ....or he will risk making sharif the strongest leader in Pakistan..."
Can you write more about this transformation of Sharif?
Why Sharif becoming the strongest leader in Pakistan will be bad for Pakistan?
It seems to me that grass root democracy is very strong in Pakistan, and hence there is an automatic check and balance, albeit, it has taken longer for its voice to be heard. This delay had been mainly due to postponement of elections that leaders were able to cause.
If supremacy of constitution cannot be violated, even by the army, then this check and balance from the grass root democracy will trump. However defective democracy may be, it prevails. Pakistanis proved it now, Indians proved it earlier when they threw Indira Gandhi out of power.
Faith and belief in democracy needs to as strong as Pakistani's faith in their religion. This to me is the critical crossing point that Pakistan must make. Once done, even if Talibans come in power, Iran is an example of religious right coming in power, they too will behave as inclusionary force and not be defensive of being attacked from within Pakistan.
Pakistan's reality is far more to the religious right. Liberals there need to accept this reality.
Opportunism to get or maintain in power is not corruption. It is inherent in all people. The system needs to be respected by all, even by the opportunist. It seems, Musharraff has showed that respect in Pakistan.
Now, I am going back to start supporting Hamidm Sahib. Sorry Hamidm Sahib that I abandoned your ship, but I am not a rat. I like that you and Zeemax Sahib are having great debate. Such a dialog is necessary inside Pakistan too.
This emergence is the best for Pakistan that is what I would say.
Yasser:
"...The transformation of Mr. Sharif is the greatest thing that has happened to Pakistan recently. ....or he will risk making sharif the strongest leader in Pakistan..."
Can you write more about this transformation of Sharif?
Why Sharif becoming the strongest leader in Pakistan will be bad for Pakistan?
It seems to me that grass root democracy is very strong in Pakistan, and hence there is an automatic check and balance, albeit, it has taken longer for its voice to be heard. This delay had been mainly due to postponement of elections that leaders were able to cause.
If supremacy of constitution cannot be violated, even by the army, then this check and balance from the grass root democracy will trump. However defective democracy may be, it prevails. Pakistanis proved it now, Indians proved it earlier when they threw Indira Gandhi out of power.
Faith and belief in democracy needs to as strong as Pakistani's faith in their religion. This to me is the critical crossing point that Pakistan must make. Once done, even if Talibans come in power, Iran is an example of religious right coming in power, they too will behave as inclusionary force and not be defensive of being attacked from within Pakistan.
Pakistan's reality is far more to the religious right. Liberals there need to accept this reality.
Opportunism to get or maintain in power is not corruption. It is inherent in all people. The system needs to be respected by all, even by the opportunist. It seems, Musharraff has showed that respect in Pakistan.
Now, I am going back to start supporting Hamidm Sahib. Sorry Hamidm Sahib that I abandoned your ship, but I am not a rat. I like that you and Zeemax Sahib are having great debate. Such a dialog is necessary inside Pakistan too.
This emergence is the best for Pakistan that is what I would say.
#88 Posted by zeemax on April 5, 2008 11:03:00 am
#87 Posted by anil,
Your post contains many wise things.
Why Sharif becoming the strongest leader in Pakistan will be bad for Pakistan?
For Manto Saheb it is ... even though Sharif is just mildly to the religious right. There're great forces against anything to do with Islam.
Pakistan's reality is far more to the religious right. Liberals there need to accept this reality.
No they won't. It still hasn't knocked any sense in their heads. I don't know when it will?
Now, I am going back to start supporting Hamidm Sahib
Actually, hamidm2 Saheb has great wisdom about things political. I of-course regard him as murtid, that he is indeed, he knows nothing about religion, but he usually knows what he's talking about regarding contemporary politics in Pakistan.
Your post contains many wise things.
Why Sharif becoming the strongest leader in Pakistan will be bad for Pakistan?
For Manto Saheb it is ... even though Sharif is just mildly to the religious right. There're great forces against anything to do with Islam.
Pakistan's reality is far more to the religious right. Liberals there need to accept this reality.
No they won't. It still hasn't knocked any sense in their heads. I don't know when it will?
Now, I am going back to start supporting Hamidm Sahib
Actually, hamidm2 Saheb has great wisdom about things political. I of-course regard him as murtid, that he is indeed, he knows nothing about religion, but he usually knows what he's talking about regarding contemporary politics in Pakistan.
#89 Posted by MantoLives on April 5, 2008 11:19:38 am
I see bjkumar and other Indian chutiyas going wild as usual.
Whatever Bhutto was he was a hundred times better than that half naked piece of shit racist casteist Hindu fascist bigot Gandhi who was solely responsible for violence at partition.
Whatever Bhutto was he was a hundred times better than that half naked piece of shit racist casteist Hindu fascist bigot Gandhi who was solely responsible for violence at partition.
#90 Posted by MantoLives on April 5, 2008 11:30:35 am
"Bigda hu shahzada"
Atleast Bhutto is remembered by his people as the Quaid-e-Awam (the leader of the People) and as a heroic figure (even if he is flawed).
What would we make of that mediocre drudge of an unimaginative woman (Bhutto's words mostly) who was ultimately ass-raped by her own body guards (in the position of Indira to use Kama Sutra vocabulary) for waging a genocidal war against a religious community?
Atleast Bhutto is remembered by his people as the Quaid-e-Awam (the leader of the People) and as a heroic figure (even if he is flawed).
What would we make of that mediocre drudge of an unimaginative woman (Bhutto's words mostly) who was ultimately ass-raped by her own body guards (in the position of Indira to use Kama Sutra vocabulary) for waging a genocidal war against a religious community?
#91 Posted by MantoLives on April 5, 2008 11:35:59 am
Re: # 87
Sorry Anil, I think you don't have any locus standi in this discussion untill you prevail upon your compatriots who are so utterly obsessed with Pakistan and Pakistan-related issues... because they belong to a shit-hole they call "my-Injia".
I am not going to accept this good-cop bad-cop style that you Indians have going on chowk. Either all you decide to be human or all you act as dogs and are treated as such.
Sorry Anil, I think you don't have any locus standi in this discussion untill you prevail upon your compatriots who are so utterly obsessed with Pakistan and Pakistan-related issues... because they belong to a shit-hole they call "my-Injia".
I am not going to accept this good-cop bad-cop style that you Indians have going on chowk. Either all you decide to be human or all you act as dogs and are treated as such.
#92 Posted by zeemax on April 5, 2008 11:39:41 am
bjkumar, Mantolives,
There were two leaders in Pakistan before. First was Jinnah, then was Z.A. Bhutto. Now there's a third one. Nawaz Sharif.
Like it or not.
I.e. not counting Baitullah mehsud, Mullah Fazlullah, and the only true Shaheed (no one else was Shaheed in Pakistan except him ... never mind the press calling people Shaheed who died in accidents) Maulana (though he denied he was a maulana) Abdul-Rasheed ghazi Shaheed.
There were two leaders in Pakistan before. First was Jinnah, then was Z.A. Bhutto. Now there's a third one. Nawaz Sharif.
Like it or not.
I.e. not counting Baitullah mehsud, Mullah Fazlullah, and the only true Shaheed (no one else was Shaheed in Pakistan except him ... never mind the press calling people Shaheed who died in accidents) Maulana (though he denied he was a maulana) Abdul-Rasheed ghazi Shaheed.
#93 Posted by zeemax on April 5, 2008 11:40:36 am
Did I see this gushti sadna around? Can't stand the smell of monkeys let alone she-monkeys.
#94 Posted by arjun_5 on April 5, 2008 11:59:06 am
I wonder if bhutto's head came off when he was hung...like saddam's did...
#95 Posted by Look on April 5, 2008 12:18:52 pm
A challenge:
Name a single Muslim leader who has done a hunger strike to save Muslim lives? (forget about non-Muslims)
Ghandi ji personified the real beauty of Sanatan Dharma(the eternal religion).
Name a single Muslim leader who has done a hunger strike to save Muslim lives? (forget about non-Muslims)
Ghandi ji personified the real beauty of Sanatan Dharma(the eternal religion).
#96 Posted by MantoLives on April 5, 2008 12:35:36 pm
Mahachutiya Gandhu ji was on Glucose and Water and all his hunger strikes were frauds. Now go shove it.
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