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#23 Posted by Cindy on April 11, 2003 8:38:18 am
Tamed32:
You sound like President Bush when you say I should be silent. He would also have us that dissent with his war be silent. Media shows that since there are many many more here in the US who do think just like me and not too much about it on the news.

Why are Iraqi`s jumping in the streets? The natural euphoria when a war ends. Afghani`s did the same thing. Are they dancing now?
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this is too much fun........

I was reading the 2003 interacts on Feroz's article titled the Wages of Death and two posters (both clueless) emerged as enlightened as they are today.....and that is not very!. Let me reproduce their interacts here

#4 Posted by Romair on April 8, 2003 8:44:21 pm
I think Bush will become more popular in the USA and not less popular, once this war is over (which should be another few weeks or so

Tahmed cheerleading for the barbarous war and abusing Feroz :

#15 Posted by tahmed32 on April 9, 2003 2:17:10 pm
F Khan: I see you are having trouble rationalizing this war. Perhaps you should ask the Iraqis who were cheering in the streets of Baghdad today. And throwing their shoes at Saddam`s statue.

PS: Glad you have silent partners. Seems like they are as confused with reality as you are.

17 Posted by tahmed32 on April 9, 2003 5:40:45 pm
Cindy #16 You must be F Khan`s silent partner. You were better off remaining silent.

You make a lengthy post and make big assertions, like F Khan. But nothing you or F Khan have written can explain the joy the Iraqis demonstrated on the streets of Baghdad. The term ``Iraqi Freedom`` for this campaign explains that joy very well.
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Now when the fool tahmed is told that he supported this US barbarism against Iraq, wrote an dimwit article supporing it and used the third rate lies of Bush regarding freedom to support it, he says SHOW ME. And everytime I show this fool something he puts his damn stinking tail between his spineless legs and runs off.....people like him are the worst among humanity, they drink the blood of the people, they are worse than the worst criminal....

when they murdered ZAB

majumdar writes "Completely untrue. British, European, American and Japanese and Korean companies which made their countries economic powers were all private sector entities"

You don't know what the hell you're talking about. All of those countries heavily protected their industry unlike the "liberalization" and specialization in primary products they push on developing nations- there is no other way to develop an industrial base and like I explained to you earlier government protection of industry for the sake of the capitalist is similar in principle to government nationalization of industry for the benefit of the workers- who benefits is the only difference and nationalization is a juster option- why should the people's wealth through the govt be spent to bail out industry for the capitalists to protect them and then not give people a share by extra employment?

ZAB was not brought to "justice"- no court of law would uphold that kangaroo verdict, and no foreign observers present including the ex US attorney general agreed with the guilty verdict. The Himalayas wept when they murdered and they have continued to weep ever since...

Re: # 82

thank you majamidar saab. Baangladaishis are no one's friends saab but i still donot want them to die saab(despite what i have said before saab). i will go now saab and keep an eye on masadi saab. i think masadi saab needs treatment saab but he does not listen saab

Peon bhai,

Dunno if Himalayas wept when ZAB was brought to justice. But they are certainly weeping at the global warming. That will bring floods and later drought to North Indians/Pakis. And your Bangaldeshi friends will drown in it.

Regards

Re: # 80

majamidar saab, masadi saab says(indeed when they murdered ZAB the Himalayas cried)

do you think that will make the global warming thing worse majamidar saab? with the melting ice saab

Masadi sahib,

(socalistically set up industry with a greater share of it for the people is the way that all the tigers and China developed its base, it is the way in which the European as well as the American industry developed)

Completely untrue. British, European, American and Japanese and Korean companies which made their countries economic powers were all private sector entities. Yes there was participation of ordinary folks but as workers and as shareholders.

(indeed when they murdered ZAB the Himalayas cried)

Nice to know that you have a poetic side as well!!!

Regards

forcibly evicted

HP writes "The movements like the Lawyers movement, out of control media and a vigilant middle class can keep the army honest..."

The army if it remains in the power equation will never become "honest" unless they are forcible evicted. The only thing that can keep them somewhat decent are their masters in Washington, who are now realzinging that the circumscribed democracy in the shadow of the military is the best arrangement for them...

Ijaz, I posted this on the other board.

#502 Posted by ijaz_gul

Sorry, I did not read this post on Beena's board. I haven't seen many posts on that board. I will check them now.

A. Will BBs policy of Partial appeasement, partial defiance and partial compromise serve the cause of democracy in the long run, or will it provide a germination ground for the proliferators of democracy to become stronger? This view is in contrast to the Purist view of the intellectuals.

There is no way to democracy in Pakistan w/o first working on sharing the powers with the army. So this half cil-Half Mil is the starting point. BB had the right idea. The problem is that the military half is stronger and there is no guarantee that the military would not revoke the agreement. The movements like the Lawyers movement, out of control media and a vigilant middle class can keep the army honest. This requires time and an effort on the part of the civilians to keep the public in the loop. Both AZ and NS, have very little faith in organized opposition such as the Lawyers, and the student bodies. Zardari, when he bad mouths the Lawyers is actually digging his own grave.

B. Will the purist view of Civil Society supported by NS and AWK finally become a victim of the compromises by PPPP.

They don’t support the purest view or know they can’t get to it. The PPP has a situation in hand in Sindh and it is not the MQM. Read Zadari’s statement to BBC where he said that the PPP was told they would be confined to Sindh and they are. The PPP cares about Sindh because that is their base and to keep the power in Sindh, they will compromise with the devil itself. As long as the deal with the NS works, the PPP is with him. I think the forward Block in MLq minus Gujrati clown family offers an option to the PPP so watch NS destroy that with multiple means.

C. If the first two points are accepted, then we would soon see crisis within the ruling alliance. This alliance will be exploited by proliferators for destabilising. Niazi, Arbab, Multan, Karachi and now Jamrud incidents are perhaps linked to this destabilisation effort.

The army would do what it can to keep the alliance in a fragile state while they concede on CJ and next on Musharaf. It is a matter of who has the ability to press. NS wants to press now and AZ is too embroiled in keeping the power. He will go along when he sees a clear signal or is pressed enough.

The democracy requires lots of thinking and persuasions. Time is needed to learn these skills. The army makes it difficult and now everyone has to be on a fast track to learn these skills. So just watch the game!

ahamadmadani,

As a proud pakistani, as a true citizen of the islamic republic of pakistan, where the sharia law is the supreme, where as you quoted nuclear armed missiles are poised to uphold the islamic laws of pakistan, please do condemn the following lines, from dawn of today, opinion piece.

P)lease do remember that teh sharia court of pakistan can any day declare the blasphemy laws as illegal, but has upheld it every time it was challenged. Do not blame the poor zia, blame the supreme law of pakistan, if you choose..

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Leaving the schism of it all aside, the law of blasphemy as it operates in Pakistan is brutalising society. A number of people have been killed, as was Jagdeesh, in cold blood, in sudden rage, or in the calculated pursuit of vendetta. It is also dehumanising the custodians of the law. No remorse is expressed, condolences extended or compensation paid to Jagdeesh’s heirs. No policeman has been punished for not rescuing him from the clutches of the mob.

As Faiz said, the blood of the poor dead mingles with the very dust in which they are reared. It mingles faster when it is of an infidel and spilled by the faithful. The brutality of it aside, Pakistan will remain a reactionary pariah of the world so long as the penal religious laws enacted by Ziaul Haq remain in our statute books.

Madani,

If you live in Karachi, it must be a great place. The jihadis steal the car, and if they are tracked and stopped, they booby trap the car and kill the recovery team.

One cannot expect anything different where k for kafir education and hatred is the social norm.


Hijacked cars


INCIDENTS of carjacking at gunpoint have become an everyday event in the country, especially in big cities. Criminals take away an average of 30 to 40 cars and motorcycles every day in Karachi alone. They now prefer hijacking cars at gunpoint, using force rather than stealing it, because of the sophistication and prevalence of new anti-theft devices and alarm systems. Car alarms and steering wheel locking systems have made it tougher for auto thieves.

Chip-integrated ignition switches, engine cutoff devices and vehicle tracking systems, though quite expensive, are getting popular among car owners day by day. On the other hand, carjackers and car thieves are also becoming wise in countering such devices and systems.

Once the ‘vehicle tracking system’ detects a snatched car and the vehicle tracking control cuts off its engine, the panicked carjackers are forced to abandon the car wherever it is, and flee. But some time in frustration they can also set a booby trap or a remote-controlled bomb/explosive device in the car to destroy it and also to kill the people who will reach there to recover the car.

Madani swaab,

When jinnah coined the TNT, his notion was only that muslims cannot live with the hindus. he created a cleansed land called pakistan. Little did he know that such a hate filled nation will not be allowed to exist "freely". It will always be controlled.

Now the americans are attacking the pakistanis, so much for the freedom, so much for a mulsim land.

Read the new item below, and of you come across a photo of than man, first spit on it and then burn it,

from jang of today


US commanders for widening Pakistan attacks

Sunday, April 20, 2008
WASHINGTON: A report in the New York Times says that American commanders in Afghanistan have in recent months urged a widening of the war that could include American attacks on indigenous Pakistani militants in the tribal areas inside Pakistan, according to United States officials.

bad news for enemies of pakistan and Arjun,JAYP, Laddu bad news limited.
Now you cab boast any thing but mr Z can ask his chaprasee to press button and you can not hide any where in india with 2000 KM range. You people abused neighbour who is is interested in Solving K problem for good with nagotations.
Now how about missile lesson.

"Pakistan tests long-range ballistic missile ISLAMABAD, April 19 (Reuters): Pakistan successfully test fired a long-range, nuclear-capable ballistic missile on Saturday, the military said. “The missile Hatf-VI (Shaheen-2) has a range of 2000 km and can carry both nuclear and conventional warheads,” the military said in a statement.Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani watched the test of the surface-to-surface missile and congratulated engineers and scientists for achieving an “important milestone” in Pakistan's quest for sustaining strategic balance in South Asia, it said. The military cited Gilani as saying the missile and nuclear programme enjoyed complete national consensus and would continue to be consolidated and strengthened. “He made it clear that Pakistan's strategy of credible minimum deterrence is fully in place and is a guarantee of peace in the region,” the military said. Gilani also gave an assurance that the country's defence needs would remain a high priority with the elected government, the military said. (First Posted @ 10:00 PST, Updated @ 10:45 PST)"

BAD NEWS COMPANY DIRCTORS CEO's READ and WEEP. Sorry but wise people do not spread bnad news.