Beena Sarwar April 5, 2008
#1 Posted by nazarhayatkhan on April 13, 2008 11:42:42 pm
Beena
you are right. but the trigger can be the NO of CJP to resign & lawyers movement later joined by the civil society.
Without this element, Musharraf could keep on manipulating with help of the collaborators (Q & MQM)- who for the fist time in history have been put on the defensive. more later.
NHK
you are right. but the trigger can be the NO of CJP to resign & lawyers movement later joined by the civil society.
Without this element, Musharraf could keep on manipulating with help of the collaborators (Q & MQM)- who for the fist time in history have been put on the defensive. more later.
NHK
#2 Posted by masadi on April 14, 2008 12:56:54 am
The author writes "Three factors, occurring over a span of two years, changed this course. First, former archrivals Benazir Bhutto and Mian Nawaz Sharif, both then in exile, joined hands in May 2006 to sign a ‘Charter of Democracy’, aimed at ousting the military from Pakistani politics. Second, an increasingly independent judiciary began taking on previously taboo issues, including the disappearances at the hand of the intelligence agencies since Pakistan’s alliance with the US in the ‘war on terror’. Third, dozens of independent television channels, which had sprung up since 2002, were covering events critically and energetically"
Wrong on all three counts: The Charter of Democracy was undone by the BB when she started hobnobbing with the Americans to strengthen the dictator and facilitate for him his new role as president- were it not for the Americans and their military occupation force indigeneously staffed (the Pakistan Army), Musharraf would still be wearing his uniform. Second, by taking part in a farcial elections the context of which included not only an illegitimate president and his emergency and manipulation, but included the assassination of BB, no benefit to democracy has occurred. If the boycott had been substantial that would have been more of a thorn on the side of the establishment than fitting into a corrupt structure of the present form. If a change has occurred it has occurred due to the people of Pakistan and their lack of acceptance of the same US/Pak Army shenanigans in the past, as a result of which the Americans have been forced to incorporate the political bigwigs into the equation- these high level "diplomacy" meetings between the Americans and party leaders of all shades and colors tells us that want to now incorporate them into the power equation in this country. See how neatly they will all fit in after a little while. Musharraf- the Army's excrement- is still there so what the heck was the use of the Charter of Democracy- to undo which the role of the BB was second to none. Third, these so-called "independent" television channels have nothing to do with democracy but represent private interests (that cannot compete with Army interests) and in many cases the best organized of them, foreign interests- like radio "free" Iraq. There is no public media in Pakistan.
The only thing "real" is the lawyer's movement and the anti-army sentiment of the people, everything else including the NS is fake. If the former i.e the lawyers and the people, can organize- they will change the structure- which will be painful in the shortterm of course- the imperialist machine will kick in to isolate the country and make it into another Zimbabwe. If the politicians fit into the new power equation the Americans are setting up for them with the Army- nothing will change other than the military now ruling by proxy for longer term- without a martial law. The role of the Jihadists in all of this is to strengthen the hands of the Americans and give legitimacy to the Pakistan Army- they cannot be expected to change anything since they are bed with the devil and a dirty stinking bed it is...
Wrong on all three counts: The Charter of Democracy was undone by the BB when she started hobnobbing with the Americans to strengthen the dictator and facilitate for him his new role as president- were it not for the Americans and their military occupation force indigeneously staffed (the Pakistan Army), Musharraf would still be wearing his uniform. Second, by taking part in a farcial elections the context of which included not only an illegitimate president and his emergency and manipulation, but included the assassination of BB, no benefit to democracy has occurred. If the boycott had been substantial that would have been more of a thorn on the side of the establishment than fitting into a corrupt structure of the present form. If a change has occurred it has occurred due to the people of Pakistan and their lack of acceptance of the same US/Pak Army shenanigans in the past, as a result of which the Americans have been forced to incorporate the political bigwigs into the equation- these high level "diplomacy" meetings between the Americans and party leaders of all shades and colors tells us that want to now incorporate them into the power equation in this country. See how neatly they will all fit in after a little while. Musharraf- the Army's excrement- is still there so what the heck was the use of the Charter of Democracy- to undo which the role of the BB was second to none. Third, these so-called "independent" television channels have nothing to do with democracy but represent private interests (that cannot compete with Army interests) and in many cases the best organized of them, foreign interests- like radio "free" Iraq. There is no public media in Pakistan.
The only thing "real" is the lawyer's movement and the anti-army sentiment of the people, everything else including the NS is fake. If the former i.e the lawyers and the people, can organize- they will change the structure- which will be painful in the shortterm of course- the imperialist machine will kick in to isolate the country and make it into another Zimbabwe. If the politicians fit into the new power equation the Americans are setting up for them with the Army- nothing will change other than the military now ruling by proxy for longer term- without a martial law. The role of the Jihadists in all of this is to strengthen the hands of the Americans and give legitimacy to the Pakistan Army- they cannot be expected to change anything since they are bed with the devil and a dirty stinking bed it is...
#3 Posted by masadi on April 14, 2008 1:01:26 am
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#5 Posted by jayp on April 14, 2008 3:36:40 am
Beena,
Well every [pakistani would like to believe in your article.
So conveniently forgot the role of the americans, if they were involved in bringing benazir back, do you think they will leave it at that.
Why is mushy still in power, thanks to teh yanks.
Why is the reinstatement of the CJ still a problem, because they want to ensure that the CJ will not unseat mushy.
The pakistani politicians are puppets, the puppet master is controlling their movements , and of course the pakis with their head deep in the books cannot see anything.
Beena, take it from me, there is nothing for the pakistanis to be proud of. All thsi excitement will transform into desperation, as it happened so many times before.
The eternal fact will remain, if teh TNT is not challenged, pakistan will become a slave state, may be to the US, may be to the chinese, a mere pawn, pretending to be a major power like india. It is that prose for taht pretention that pakis have been paying for teh last 60 years.
Well every [pakistani would like to believe in your article.
So conveniently forgot the role of the americans, if they were involved in bringing benazir back, do you think they will leave it at that.
Why is mushy still in power, thanks to teh yanks.
Why is the reinstatement of the CJ still a problem, because they want to ensure that the CJ will not unseat mushy.
The pakistani politicians are puppets, the puppet master is controlling their movements , and of course the pakis with their head deep in the books cannot see anything.
Beena, take it from me, there is nothing for the pakistanis to be proud of. All thsi excitement will transform into desperation, as it happened so many times before.
The eternal fact will remain, if teh TNT is not challenged, pakistan will become a slave state, may be to the US, may be to the chinese, a mere pawn, pretending to be a major power like india. It is that prose for taht pretention that pakis have been paying for teh last 60 years.
#6 Posted by jayp on April 14, 2008 3:56:05 am
Beena,
This is the real legacy of benazir, uncle sam is asluing for his pound of flesh.
No one including china is going to come to pakistans help.
from jang of today
US seeks direct access to Pak's nuke arsenal
Islamabad (PTI): Amid western concerns about the safety of Pakistan's nuclear aresenal, the United States has sought direct access to the body controlling the country's nuclear assets for an American official to be posted at its embassy here.
The US State Department sent a proposal to the Pakistan government after a set of 11 demands dispatched earlier by Washington to Islamabad regarding the deployment of American military personnel in the country, were refused by Pakistani authorities.
This is the real legacy of benazir, uncle sam is asluing for his pound of flesh.
No one including china is going to come to pakistans help.
from jang of today
US seeks direct access to Pak's nuke arsenal
Islamabad (PTI): Amid western concerns about the safety of Pakistan's nuclear aresenal, the United States has sought direct access to the body controlling the country's nuclear assets for an American official to be posted at its embassy here.
The US State Department sent a proposal to the Pakistan government after a set of 11 demands dispatched earlier by Washington to Islamabad regarding the deployment of American military personnel in the country, were refused by Pakistani authorities.
#7 Posted by tahir on April 14, 2008 6:02:48 am
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#8 Posted by HPsauce on April 14, 2008 6:36:22 am
Rihat (tahir) is your gaand also itching like zeemaxs. You also want to be come A New Prophet like him. You think by chewing on Zeemaxs half dick while having a Super Dick shove his up your back side you can see god and become anothe half-Prophet? For get it, you need to get high on charas sit a cave for days (like usuma "bin" laidlund)....
chutiye, you and your conspiracy theories.
What next Your Dad was CIA by way of the KGB and the Chinese, while mom was tricked into hiramandi bythtre RAW.
chutiye, you and your conspiracy theories.
What next Your Dad was CIA by way of the KGB and the Chinese, while mom was tricked into hiramandi bythtre RAW.
#9 Posted by Urstruly on April 14, 2008 8:57:16 am
Benazir proved to be a disgrace to her fathers good name. Despite all his flaws, shortcomings and faults Zulfiqar at least did not compromise with East India Company and gracefully kissed the noose.
As compared to him Benazir was incompetent, manipulative, and most of all without integrity. probably, that is the reason despite an election with in couple of months of her assassination by East India company, her party did quite poorly. The voter turn out was pathetically low - below 10%. That reflects on the political maturity that general Pakistani public is showing and the new demands it is putting on political leadership. Pakistan's political paradigm has changed. The countdown has begun for East India Company ki najaiz aulaad.
As compared to him Benazir was incompetent, manipulative, and most of all without integrity. probably, that is the reason despite an election with in couple of months of her assassination by East India company, her party did quite poorly. The voter turn out was pathetically low - below 10%. That reflects on the political maturity that general Pakistani public is showing and the new demands it is putting on political leadership. Pakistan's political paradigm has changed. The countdown has begun for East India Company ki najaiz aulaad.
#10 Posted by NangaPir on April 14, 2008 12:09:55 pm
A dictator who seized power with international help will not leave honorably. However, the politicians may fall apart and that what Mushrraf's best hope is. How come he withdraws all legal cases against Zardari? Either all those cases were fradulents or it is politics. In either case the people will get more alienated with the western legal system. Cases are drawn back to drive a wedge between Shrief and Zardari as the ex-chief judge chaudhray is against withdrawl of cases. Even the case in which Murtaza Bhutto was assasinated has been taken out. People who know the inside story, Benazir was always bickering that Leghari would not allow certain transactions go throguh. So Zardari kidnapped Laghari's daughter in Karachi and moved her into interior Sind. When Murtaza came to know about this tragedy he followed Zardari and recoverd her within 12 hours. There was a fighting and Murtaza's buddies killed almost 3 dozens Zaradi's men. Murtaza's comrades were all Al-Zulfiqar trained guys. Zardari was captured and Murtaza shaved off Zardari's one side moustache. Then Murtaza called president Leghari and told him that 'he would bring his sister to Islamabad next day' referring to Leghari's daughter. And then Murtaza was killed soon after. How one can ignore such a crime? The Pakistani lawyers are exercising in futile as the state law is worse than Hira Mandi's codes of sin.
#11 Posted by GT on April 14, 2008 1:28:10 pm
Beena,
Was dissapointed with this article. You claim:
(i) the street power which helped induce elections was provided by party workers.
Very few will buy this line. Maybe after 10 years, but not today. The lawyers/students were the prominent protesters. Yes, some party workers might have been present. NS's party could not even mobilize when he came the 1st time. PPP was hardly in any scene.
(ii) You seem to indicate that BB convinced the Gringos to allow her and NS to return.
BB had been running from one capital to the other. Forget convincing, she could not even meet with prominent policy makers. The Gringos had to withdraw obvert support from the dictator because "people" were marching on the streets. BB was the cover/front. She did not convince Washington that they needed to talk to the "jihadis", she even suggested that the Gringos could come in. How much time do you need to "forget"?
(iii) You, like Zardari, are cunningly implying that this new phase of "democracy" is because of BB.
Again, who are you trying to fool? BB's role was small, if any. Yes, she was a glamorous leader and it is sad that she was murdered.
Was dissapointed with this article. You claim:
(i) the street power which helped induce elections was provided by party workers.
Very few will buy this line. Maybe after 10 years, but not today. The lawyers/students were the prominent protesters. Yes, some party workers might have been present. NS's party could not even mobilize when he came the 1st time. PPP was hardly in any scene.
(ii) You seem to indicate that BB convinced the Gringos to allow her and NS to return.
BB had been running from one capital to the other. Forget convincing, she could not even meet with prominent policy makers. The Gringos had to withdraw obvert support from the dictator because "people" were marching on the streets. BB was the cover/front. She did not convince Washington that they needed to talk to the "jihadis", she even suggested that the Gringos could come in. How much time do you need to "forget"?
(iii) You, like Zardari, are cunningly implying that this new phase of "democracy" is because of BB.
Again, who are you trying to fool? BB's role was small, if any. Yes, she was a glamorous leader and it is sad that she was murdered.
#12 Posted by Leadenwinter on April 14, 2008 3:45:52 pm
To be bluntly accurate, horse-dung has more radiance that that repulsive woman ever had.... and her whelp is as much a disgrace to humanity as is the creature that sired it. Sharif is not even worth discussing as no decent means to do so exists.
The Pakistani electorate, particularly the "enlightened" middle classes have the sense of cattle.
This is the reality of the situation, try as you might to dress it up as anything else.
The Pakistani electorate, particularly the "enlightened" middle classes have the sense of cattle.
This is the reality of the situation, try as you might to dress it up as anything else.
#13 Posted by Goldfinger on April 14, 2008 5:39:15 pm
Despite the sad way of BB's exit from the scene, the only legacy of a corrupt, shallow, inept daughter of a self-serving megalomaniac, can be more corruption, misrule and thuggery. What is this democracy, (and what good is it for the people), that brings to the fore only criminals and thieves?
#14 Posted by masadi on April 14, 2008 10:15:16 pm
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#15 Posted by jayp on April 14, 2008 10:52:08 pm
Re: # 7
Tahir,
That is really bad for you. I have several times indicated my email address
jayp@raw.gov.in, but it is sad that your articles are also not published, which clearly indicates that teh US based RAW agents are paymasters of chowk owners.
Try contacting ISI to fix up teh mess.
Tahir,
That is really bad for you. I have several times indicated my email address
jayp@raw.gov.in, but it is sad that your articles are also not published, which clearly indicates that teh US based RAW agents are paymasters of chowk owners.
Try contacting ISI to fix up teh mess.
#16 Posted by jayp on April 14, 2008 11:05:12 pm
A sad day for pakistan,
The president of pakistan goes to china and all that hecan think of is yet another way to milk the gographic location of pakistan. There is no identification of teh skill set of the paki people, because there is none, no iudentification of production capabilities, because there is none, it is the same old jinnah legacy...pakistan is the axis aroud which teh world revolves.
This situation is so pathetic. Even with teh IPI pipe line, the maximum pakis can get is 300 million per year, which is a small amount, but the pakis cannot think of anything else to offer as a capability of the nation.
Musharraf makes Chinese oil plea
President Musharraf salutes a guard of honour with Chinese President Hu Jintao (left)
China and Pakistan have traditionally enjoyed close relations
The Pakistani president, Pervez Musharraf, says he is lobbying Chinese leaders to build gas and oil pipelines between his country and China.
President Musharraf, who is on a six-day visit to China, expressed confidence that the proposed pipeline was technically feasible.
The route of the pipeline will link the Gulf and China through Pakistan.
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