Benazir’s Legacy

Re: # 80

majamidar saab, masadi saab says(indeed when they murdered ZAB the Himalayas cried)

do you think that will make the global warming thing worse majamidar saab? with the melting ice saab

Peon bhai,

Dunno if Himalayas wept when ZAB was brought to justice. But they are certainly weeping at the global warming. That will bring floods and later drought to North Indians/Pakis. And your Bangaldeshi friends will drown in it.

Regards

Re: # 82

thank you majamidar saab. Baangladaishis are no one's friends saab but i still donot want them to die saab(despite what i have said before saab). i will go now saab and keep an eye on masadi saab. i think masadi saab needs treatment saab but he does not listen saab

majumdar writes "Completely untrue. British, European, American and Japanese and Korean companies which made their countries economic powers were all private sector entities"

You don't know what the hell you're talking about. All of those countries heavily protected their industry unlike the "liberalization" and specialization in primary products they push on developing nations- there is no other way to develop an industrial base and like I explained to you earlier government protection of industry for the sake of the capitalist is similar in principle to government nationalization of industry for the benefit of the workers- who benefits is the only difference and nationalization is a juster option- why should the people's wealth through the govt be spent to bail out industry for the capitalists to protect them and then not give people a share by extra employment?

ZAB was not brought to "justice"- no court of law would uphold that kangaroo verdict, and no foreign observers present including the ex US attorney general agreed with the guilty verdict. The Himalayas wept when they murdered and they have continued to weep ever since...

when they murdered ZAB

I was reading the 2003 interacts on Feroz's article titled the Wages of Death and two posters (both clueless) emerged as enlightened as they are today.....and that is not very!. Let me reproduce their interacts here

#4 Posted by Romair on April 8, 2003 8:44:21 pm
I think Bush will become more popular in the USA and not less popular, once this war is over (which should be another few weeks or so

Tahmed cheerleading for the barbarous war and abusing Feroz :

#15 Posted by tahmed32 on April 9, 2003 2:17:10 pm
F Khan: I see you are having trouble rationalizing this war. Perhaps you should ask the Iraqis who were cheering in the streets of Baghdad today. And throwing their shoes at Saddam`s statue.

PS: Glad you have silent partners. Seems like they are as confused with reality as you are.

17 Posted by tahmed32 on April 9, 2003 5:40:45 pm
Cindy #16 You must be F Khan`s silent partner. You were better off remaining silent.

You make a lengthy post and make big assertions, like F Khan. But nothing you or F Khan have written can explain the joy the Iraqis demonstrated on the streets of Baghdad. The term ``Iraqi Freedom`` for this campaign explains that joy very well.
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http://www.chowk.com/interacts/6061/2/0/8#130352


Now when the fool tahmed is told that he supported this US barbarism against Iraq, wrote an dimwit article supporing it and used the third rate lies of Bush regarding freedom to support it, he says SHOW ME. And everytime I show this fool something he puts his damn stinking tail between his spineless legs and runs off.....people like him are the worst among humanity, they drink the blood of the people, they are worse than the worst criminal....

#23 Posted by Cindy on April 11, 2003 8:38:18 am
Tamed32:
You sound like President Bush when you say I should be silent. He would also have us that dissent with his war be silent. Media shows that since there are many many more here in the US who do think just like me and not too much about it on the news.

Why are Iraqi`s jumping in the streets? The natural euphoria when a war ends. Afghani`s did the same thing. Are they dancing now?
http://www.chowk.com/interacts/6061/2/0/8#130352


this is too much fun........

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Masadi sahib,

I think we have been talking at cross purposes. I am talking about private enterprise led development and you are talking about nationalisation. Yes, all the developed nations did protect their nascent industry against foreign competition by high tariff barriers but how is that the same as Nationalisation/Socialism/Public Sector led growth.

The model of development followed by these countries has at least over a period of time brought a huge amount of prosperity to even the common man. Socialism has only spread misery and has broken down everywhere.

(The Himalayas wept when they murdered and they have continued to weep ever since... )

Good. At least that would have boosted the water levels in the Punjab rivers.

Regards

Majumdar writes " I think we have been talking at cross purposes."

No, you simply do not understand amid the propaganda of "free entreprise" that a state protected and manipulated industry for the sake of the capitalist (for free) is not a free entreprise, it is a public enterprise for all intents and purposes because without such help it would be nothing- the only difference is that when the state nationalizes the industry it gets for the public what was previously only given to the capitalist. All of those developed nations are standing today because of incorporating socialist principles like the New Deal in the US, without which they would have collapsed long ago, the free entreprise is baseless propaganda that exists not in reality but in the mythology of the capitalist as he enslaves humanity and takes away what is rightfully theirs, and the state as their partner in crime complies by breaking up unions and bailing out/protecting industry on the behalf of those capitalists and the military as another parter in ther affairs makes sure markets are open, resources are available and that competitors of those that want to upset this order are destroyed in the name of national security. Wake up fool, and don't be dishonest...

Masadi sahib,

(the only difference is that when the state nationalizes the industry it gets for the public what was previously only given to the capitalist.)

No, sir. It does not get anything for the public. Very often the only people who benefit are the crooked ministers and bureaucrats who run the various economic ministries, which control the PSEs and their cohorts, the managers who run them. And few crumbs are thrown at the labour aristocrats who are employed.

The profits earned by these organisations is often made by exploiting control over natural resources or monopolies.

This is not to say that PSEs are all necessarily bad organisations or failures in competitive market places. Some PSEs in India have indeed survived even in reasonably competitive and open markets -BHEL for eg. But the bad apples far outnumber the good ones and the expereince of PSEs in sectors such as consumer goods, pharma and textiles is simply appalling.

(competitors of those that want to upset this order are destroyed in the name of national security.)

Japanese (and later Korean) automakers and electronics goods manufacturers have destroyed or weakened several American giants. How do you explain that? Surely these Japs and Koreans are not natural allies of the US ELITE that they were allowed to destroy the likes of Ford and Chrysler.

(Wake up fool, and don't be dishonest... )

A person can seldom be both simultaneously. Pls make up your mind as to whether I am a fool or a liar.

Regards

Masadi sahib,

(All of those developed nations are standing today because of incorporating socialist principles like the New Deal in the US)

USA's industrial development started prior to the New Deal and it has to be said that free market democracies like USA have the capability to correct themselves. Which is more than can be said about Commie/Talibanist/Bhuttoist states.

Regards

ahmadmadani

I know you are a sensible pakistani. Here is a report on teh collapse of industry in pakistan

from dawn of today

Commercial activities in industrial areas thrive



By Aamir Shafaat Khan


KARACHI, April 21: The setting up of commercial units in Site and Korangi industrial areas is gaining momentum as owners are either renting out their existing units or selling them out for trading activities.

However, the F.B. Area and North Karachi industrial areas have not witnessed any such activity.

When the industrialists feel that their production operations have turned unprofitable they prefer to commercialise their units by giving them on rent or selling for a handsome amount. These also include units closed for many months.

The sprawling commercial activities in Site industrial area, includes opening of warehouses and godowns, CNG and petrol filling stations, commercial offices and showrooms, and commercial banks, etc. Currently, around 120 of such commercial units have been set up replacing industrial units, while many other commercial units are in the offing.

Majumdar writes "Surely these Japs and Koreans are not natural allies of the US ELITE "

That is why I say you're a fool (cant think beyond a fifth grader) and a liar (lie when you get caught). Both Korea and Japan are US occupied, natural ally or not, they are US through and through, and they have destroyed nothing regarding the US domination either in the economic sphere or the military sphere. The US heavily protected, state intervention based economy might have been prior to the NEW DEAL but if it was not for that, capitalism would have died its shallow death in the 1930s. Socialism and later militarism saved it and the purpose of their entire global shenanigans is to replace whatever socialism that has propped them up since the 1930s to militarized capitalism so the die hard fools that sloganeer about free enterprise while heavily advocating the state to pass laws they give them added advantage rail against social security and other programs. By increasing employment the nationalized industry indeed not only consolidates the wealth and ensures development of an infant industry it increases the share of the people in that wealth. Corruption is not only a problem in socialistically run societies, the US bureaucracy/corporate complex has produced corruption of scales no socialists country can ever dream of equating like the Savings and Loan and the current sub prime crisis, just one case of Enron is enough to discredit your BS...

You're also a foolish liar, meaning when you lie you do so in your usual fifth grade foolishness level and your dishonesty come through crystal clear....