S Haroon Ahmed and Saleem Asmi April 6, 2008
#1 Posted by teshah on April 6, 2008 4:41:16 pm
I wonder there is no mention in this article either about the first leftist student movement, named Democratic Student Federation, established in Lahore in the late 40's immediately after establishment of Pakistan under the presidentship of Zuhair Naqvi. Abid Hassan Manto was also its office bearer. On another board I had learnt Dr. Sarwar also knew Zuhair Naqvi and his fate. I however wanted to know more about him. Can any body help me in this respet?
#2 Posted by hamzaad on April 6, 2008 5:48:01 pm
These litany of falaana persident and dhimkaana treasurer is indeed heart-warming but can someone explain to an O, A & non-desi graduate how students doing non-academic work on campus is the best use of taxpayers' money.
So the choice is UNINTERRUPTABLE discussion over scientific theories, sociological paradigms & literary equations..
A N D
.. students' demanding separate bathrooms for hijaabi and non-hijaabi women. Voicing their opinion about the dismissal of assemblies or publication of Satanic Verses in Swahili.
Why would you choose the second option..
If nothing, kindly list some of the best uses student activity has brought to taxpayers' money..
So the choice is UNINTERRUPTABLE discussion over scientific theories, sociological paradigms & literary equations..
A N D
.. students' demanding separate bathrooms for hijaabi and non-hijaabi women. Voicing their opinion about the dismissal of assemblies or publication of Satanic Verses in Swahili.
Why would you choose the second option..
If nothing, kindly list some of the best uses student activity has brought to taxpayers' money..
#3 Posted by ahmedmadani on April 6, 2008 9:21:19 pm
Thanks for article.
It entered my mind how is state of student unions in India. I had not read much about in news before they were at forefront of troubles/good deeds you name it. Are they dead ? Or democratisation of education lead to demise of need of student Unions.
My feeling is in both countries earlier only high income students were coming to colleges and who had plentiful financial support to have surplus time ( similar to surplus value as termed in marxian diction) and sureity, security of future of jobs and economic future. The middle class are restive people or locomotives for such organization. They had good instincts and innocent thinking of helping poor and use to feel obligation to better. Knowledge and half knowledge give self confidence and urge to do some thing positive and repay society. So helping means finding ways on idealogical basis sopolitics enters. Unfortunate part of this process was scholorship and learning became elite.
In recent years there is explosion of colleges allover subcontinent. Majority entering is not well to do economic class. Most poor students and backward class will get finaNCIAL HELP FROM GOVT AND OTHER SOURCES. sO THIS CLASS OF STUDENTS want to do good to society by helping themselves as theseare avenues were never available to this new strata of students. Their priorities are different have no great interest. This will doom rise of strong Unions. Practically all reasonable demands are met or accepted in principle.
Are student Unions in search of MISSION ?
I had gone to college for 2 years and had interest and speed in mathematics and did not use to like this students as use to feel them as romantic fools and they use stop college by forcefulways.
Then and now also ,it is not clear what they want , what are goals , no reasonabale program. No organization can become strong with out goal. ( I think student union should not be extension of political parties , college not compulsory main aim should be educational)
Student Unions are in seach of mission and no aim seems in site.
Good day.
It entered my mind how is state of student unions in India. I had not read much about in news before they were at forefront of troubles/good deeds you name it. Are they dead ? Or democratisation of education lead to demise of need of student Unions.
My feeling is in both countries earlier only high income students were coming to colleges and who had plentiful financial support to have surplus time ( similar to surplus value as termed in marxian diction) and sureity, security of future of jobs and economic future. The middle class are restive people or locomotives for such organization. They had good instincts and innocent thinking of helping poor and use to feel obligation to better. Knowledge and half knowledge give self confidence and urge to do some thing positive and repay society. So helping means finding ways on idealogical basis sopolitics enters. Unfortunate part of this process was scholorship and learning became elite.
In recent years there is explosion of colleges allover subcontinent. Majority entering is not well to do economic class. Most poor students and backward class will get finaNCIAL HELP FROM GOVT AND OTHER SOURCES. sO THIS CLASS OF STUDENTS want to do good to society by helping themselves as theseare avenues were never available to this new strata of students. Their priorities are different have no great interest. This will doom rise of strong Unions. Practically all reasonable demands are met or accepted in principle.
Are student Unions in search of MISSION ?
I had gone to college for 2 years and had interest and speed in mathematics and did not use to like this students as use to feel them as romantic fools and they use stop college by forcefulways.
Then and now also ,it is not clear what they want , what are goals , no reasonabale program. No organization can become strong with out goal. ( I think student union should not be extension of political parties , college not compulsory main aim should be educational)
Student Unions are in seach of mission and no aim seems in site.
Good day.
#4 Posted by sgb on April 7, 2008 1:47:54 am
why are u people so much in favor of student unions ????
Dont you think all these student unions are just means of destroying the youth of a country .Politicians just use them for their own selfish reasons.They need blood to be shed & for that they destroy hopes of many of the parents.
Dont you think all these student unions are just means of destroying the youth of a country .Politicians just use them for their own selfish reasons.They need blood to be shed & for that they destroy hopes of many of the parents.
#5 Posted by sgb on April 7, 2008 1:51:56 am
students must concentrate on their studies.Instead , on the basis of these unions they learn to become terrorists.They threaten their fellow students .Force them to join their groups ,other wise make their lives a living hell.
#6 Posted by aslam644 on April 7, 2008 4:35:09 am
either there is something wrong with the students, or the education system it was revealed in UK that one paki-female graduate of oxford university has become a hooker because it's better paid, what the world is coming to i wonder.
#7 Posted by aslam644 on April 7, 2008 4:45:00 am
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#8 Posted by Senna on April 7, 2008 7:42:22 am
Those who do not participate in student union are fools.My friends who did more union politics affiliated with major parities (than just preparing for Exam )are now in high position including Ministers.Also in real life if you remain politically naive no matter how good engineer or doctor or professor you are you will always remain just a 'peon'as Masadi derogatarily refers to,
politics is essential part of our survival in this dog eat dog fight for promotion ,higher pay, name & fame!
politics is essential part of our survival in this dog eat dog fight for promotion ,higher pay, name & fame!
#9 Posted by Sanatani on April 7, 2008 8:50:05 am
Re: # 2
Bravo very well said.
Yeh sab kanjar aur harami hai. They follow a vile system called kaminism kamunism and they style themselves as "Progressives" well progressives they are they progressed from fascism which killed 10 million 35 if you include war casulaties to communism that killed 60 million excluding war casualties but including POW's etc killed and created things like the boat people.
Scum bastaaards all.
Where Pak has clearly scored over India is that it has not tolerated them the way we have and seen at least a milion of our people killed by their kind.
May Shrim Ram and Shri Krisha and Shri Vaman an all the 33 crore Devis and Devtas damn them and rot them in hell.
Sanatani
Bravo very well said.
Yeh sab kanjar aur harami hai. They follow a vile system called kaminism kamunism and they style themselves as "Progressives" well progressives they are they progressed from fascism which killed 10 million 35 if you include war casulaties to communism that killed 60 million excluding war casualties but including POW's etc killed and created things like the boat people.
Scum bastaaards all.
Where Pak has clearly scored over India is that it has not tolerated them the way we have and seen at least a milion of our people killed by their kind.
May Shrim Ram and Shri Krisha and Shri Vaman an all the 33 crore Devis and Devtas damn them and rot them in hell.
Sanatani
#10 Posted by saadya on April 7, 2008 8:54:47 am
Re: # 8
thats it....
is that enough reason to get into politics
to get position in society
by any hook or crook
thats it....
is that enough reason to get into politics
to get position in society
by any hook or crook
#11 Posted by bulleya on April 7, 2008 9:50:47 am
aslam644#: ....all i can say is, "pakistan zindabad!!! quaid-e-azam zindabad!!!"
#12 Posted by Senna on April 7, 2008 2:27:51 pm
#10 Saadya
What else can politics offer you.
Not a bad return for future
law makers ,apponted judges ,portfolio holder ministers and power yielding over all the geek scholars with blinders and & tunnel vision...
The leftists in colleges end up as capitalist ..The foot soldiers as in all sphears end up just as victimised for whom they bled.Promise of revolution is manipulative tool only
in the hand of leaders
What else can politics offer you.
Not a bad return for future
law makers ,apponted judges ,portfolio holder ministers and power yielding over all the geek scholars with blinders and & tunnel vision...
The leftists in colleges end up as capitalist ..The foot soldiers as in all sphears end up just as victimised for whom they bled.Promise of revolution is manipulative tool only
in the hand of leaders
#13 Posted by saadya on April 7, 2008 10:19:46 pm
Re: # 12
agreed
but before this ravishing future we have a present too
which has to be taken care of
shall we forget it
or you think present is also brightened???
I have seen many students who have political affiliations
always runing for some place to hide
their parents dont see their faces for months
they are under the constant fear of loosing their lives
once they enter some party
cant leave it
only their dead bodies can escape from there
& u said right they get jobs at ministerial level etc
we dont want all of our students to become minister
do we
basically they learn to become criminals
To measure some ones success in life by how much he earns is not correct
agreed
but before this ravishing future we have a present too
which has to be taken care of
shall we forget it
or you think present is also brightened???
I have seen many students who have political affiliations
always runing for some place to hide
their parents dont see their faces for months
they are under the constant fear of loosing their lives
once they enter some party
cant leave it
only their dead bodies can escape from there
& u said right they get jobs at ministerial level etc
we dont want all of our students to become minister
do we
basically they learn to become criminals
To measure some ones success in life by how much he earns is not correct
#14 Posted by saadya on April 7, 2008 10:28:20 pm
The revival of student unions will just be beneficial for those who want to progress in life on the basis of support from a political party.
Rest of the students will be facing problems in completing their degree in time.As the educational institutes may remain closed mostly , due to clashes between different unions
Rest of the students will be facing problems in completing their degree in time.As the educational institutes may remain closed mostly , due to clashes between different unions
#15 Posted by Senna on April 8, 2008 6:36:20 am
#13#14
In the heirarchy of power
Power to change lies in any of the three segments ..legislative ,judiciary & Executive.
In a bad or immature democracy your scenerio may be true (Clashes institutions closed).Neverthe less the basic tenents holds good in any stage of democracy.What degrees? it will be good for JOBS doled out by the same non degree holder legislatures.
In fact the judiciary as we see is tools in the hand of netas
.As for the head of state how many of them have had DEGREES from any institution?
Add to that corrupt &lawless law enforce ment
unemployment of 'degree 'holders
corruption in 3rd world in large part causing chaos & anarchy .
What & how you bell the cat?
In the heirarchy of power
Power to change lies in any of the three segments ..legislative ,judiciary & Executive.
In a bad or immature democracy your scenerio may be true (Clashes institutions closed).Neverthe less the basic tenents holds good in any stage of democracy.What degrees? it will be good for JOBS doled out by the same non degree holder legislatures.
In fact the judiciary as we see is tools in the hand of netas
.As for the head of state how many of them have had DEGREES from any institution?
Add to that corrupt &lawless law enforce ment
unemployment of 'degree 'holders
corruption in 3rd world in large part causing chaos & anarchy .
What & how you bell the cat?
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