Is It Treason to Question

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that #14 in full:


Amer, yes it is, a treason in a pakistani sense. You are arriving at this point from an ocidental POV, you have become another orientalist. let me explain

Pakistan = = Islamic Republic
Pakistan = = Shariah
Islamic Republic = = = sharia (note the extra =)

Shariah = = = foundation = quran

Quran = ultimate truth, it is that which cannot be questioned and you have to accept it in totality.

Questioning anything in pakistan, implies you are questioning shaira and all thatfollows from it.

In reality you are commiting a sin far more henious than treason!

Now if this reasoning is in your DNA, man you can never question the State of Pakistan. Now go wash your mind with mental soap and re-insert this.

foundation = quran

Quran = ultimate truth, it is that which cannot be questioned and you have to accept it in totality.

Questioning anything in pakistan, implies you are questioning shaira and all thatfollows from it.

In reality you are commiting a sin far more henious than treason!

Now if this reasoning is in your DNA, man you can never question the State of Pakistan. Now go wash your mind with mental soap and re-insert this.

Re: # 11:Re:The 7/7 london bombers were absolute traitors to this country and to the society they lived in. However, the rest of the Islamic society rejoiced in their behaviour and refused to brand them as such.)

Well said. I have voiced similar views but to no avail.

And Eklavya, is it the 'universalist' or the 'deep thinker' in you that makes you pander to every emotional need of the Islamists on this site or is there another connection I am not aware of? You seem to have a well-formed and articulate explanation for every thing otherwise considered 'wrong' by the wider human race within the actions of these individuals; as observed by your contributions on UP of late (including today!).

At times it appears, as we say in Punjabi, "Chor nalon pand kahli"!

Amer Nazir

What an awful reality of life in Pakiland which we usually treat as the fate of all human beings but realize that it's the doing of the society itself only when we go to some civilized society.

You say:

"What exactly is my country, to whom shall I give my loyalty – the land, the people or the regime? It is difficult to decide when all three are in conflict with each other. Were they not supposed
to be on the same side... I often wonder..."

Our founding fathers had well-set these priorities in the National Anthem. It says:

"Qoum, mulk, saltanat, paainda, taabinda baad"

But unfortunately we have reversed this order and have come to treat the 'saltanat' (state) first. In Quranic terms it is called 'Taaghoot', an inhuman despotism.

Re: # 10 ekalavya, tsk tsk! funny, the communists plot revolutions and carry their violence across countries - rarely do they carry put their deeds in the countries which gives them shelter (or exiled in). The universalist the same.

Your first responsibility is to the society you libe in - your street, your neighbourhood, your area/village. town, city, district, county/state/, country and then the world.
fail your neighbors and wats the point in caring for humanity.

The 7/7 london bombers were absolute traitors to this country and to the society they lived in. However, the rest of the Islamic society rejoiced in their behaviour and refused to brand them as such.

In my books what those guys did was traitorous and unpardonable, whatever the reason.

i am not the one dividing the world, the petty religious ones are dividing the world into categories far worse then pitiable geographical boundaries.

"qaum is your country, the one you live in, the one giving you the ability to breathe freely and do what you want and allows you no hinderance in your prusuit of happiness."

You are such a hopeless case, dash :)

A proud communist owes his/her loyalty to the communists of the world, a universalists cares equally for the great 'mankind,' etc. Here you are dividing the world into petty geographical/political boundaries!

What will Marx or the Universal Humanist God say? (tongue-in-cheek icon here).

chowk has not sorted out its "bugginess". It still has its inate capacity to screw up chucks of text.

Amer:Living in exile, in my loneliness, I often wonder. I wonder about my homeland. I wonder about patriotism. What exactly is my country, to whom shall I give my loyalty – the land, the people or the regime? It is difficult to decide when all three are in conflict with each other. Were they not supposeto be on the same side... I often wonder...

you are not the first person, nor will you be the last to go through these pangs and the angst you are under going. Often, these pangs and angst come in cycles, espciallt before major career decisions and logistic decisions(and I am not being silly, flippant etc etc etc). It is natural to have these not having them indicates a certain cold-bloodedness in your character.

Where ever you are, whereever you live, your first duty is to the society which is currently looking after you, nurturing you and you live in. If I could quote from a song, I heard the other day

qadam qadam badhaye ja, khushi ke geet gaye ja

yeh zindaghi hai qaum ki, tu qaum pe lutaye ja

qadam qadam badhaye ja, khushi ke geet gaye ja

yeh zindaghi hai qaum ki, tu qaum pe lutaye ja


(the rest of the song carries no meaning to me)

qaum is your country, the one you live in, the one giving you the ability to breathe freely and do what you want and allows you no hinderance in your prusuit of happiness.

I agree with that; most don't see the conflict of interest and the lack of ethics in siphoning off patients from government hospitals.

Re: # 3

NB,

Its not about you. I have seen quite a number of doctors/staff treating patients with utter disdain. Its their private practice that matters most to them.

Contrarily, I have also seen doctors asking the poor to visit them in the government hospitals. But there are very few of them...

IMO we dont even have to cure patients, the priority is to make them feel less guilty for having taken an avtar into this world or not to make them feel they are the least priority of the society. They should die with a feeling of being wanted by others to live.

Re: # 3

NB,

Its not about you. I have seen quite a number of doctors/staff treat patients with utter disdain. Its their private practice that matters most to them.

Contrarily, I have also seen doctors asking the poor to visit them in the government hospitals. But there are very few of them...

IMO we dont even have to cure patients, the priority is to make them fell less guilty for having taken an avtar into this world or not to make them feel they are the least priority of the society. They should die with a feeling of being wanted by others to live.

Author,

That 'dictator' also urged the audience to beat up a Dawn reporter in London when he asked an uncomfortable question.

By the way Sir, why're you in exile?

vengataraman, I can honestly say I was empathetic even in India, and with the poorest of the poor, I could feel their desperation so much more.
Obviously, I see it differently. I remember being so frustrated when I'd go to a Primary Health Centre in the middle of nowhere, and there would not even be a band aid. You'd diagnose a chest condition, but there were no antibiotics or even paracetamol you could give the patient. How can this be justice? Extremely anaemic women in their 9th month of pregnancy would get a half cooked meal of dal, rice and cabbage, with more water than anything else on their plates. At the time, the Government of MP budgeted 9 paisa a day for a patient's meals, no that is not a typo. I hope things have improved since I was an intern 10 years ago. The medical students I now know are at capitation colleges, so they don't have to go to PHCs, and I have no one else to ask. People think doctors leave India for money, but that's not even the start of the story.
The only time I can remember the Government doing anything for anyone was when Gujral was in power, and thousands of Indians were brought back from Kuwait and Iraq. Dozens of them-mainly well to do Punjabis, according to the press, actually came on the same flight. Can you imagine Rahul or Sonia sharing their flight with commoners?

NB,

We have a very very long way to go. What hurts me is, the lack of respect/empathy of the doctors/staff working in the government hospitals towards the patients/relatives of patients regardless of age.

Providing dignity to people in the times of their distress and death is important.

Amer, when I left India, what inspired envy in me was not the fancy cars and swimming pools. It was the fact that people could expect something from a government that looked after them. We still have a long way to go.