noman siddiqui April 7, 2008
#33 Posted by laddu on April 19, 2008 4:09:16 am
Re: # 32
"You might be surprised that I view the Hadith literature with justifiable suspicion. The Book itself does not support many things Muslims now believe!"
tahirji,
you make it appear that you have some new sort of tafsir that is radically different from the traditional ones. Do you believe that the Shahi Hadiths are "suspect" ? In that sense you may appear to be a Quranist like Tahmed or Masadi miyan.
If you want me to believe that "Quran is sufficient in itself " (as Masadi puts it) and does not contain justification to OBL's brand of Islam then I would be interested in knowing how to reconcile the literalist interpretations of Quran (even after jettissoning the hadiths ) which does not give idolators like me, who have read Quran and have rejected the message, a hope to live peacefully with the momeens.
Please enlighten me!!
regards,
"You might be surprised that I view the Hadith literature with justifiable suspicion. The Book itself does not support many things Muslims now believe!"
tahirji,
you make it appear that you have some new sort of tafsir that is radically different from the traditional ones. Do you believe that the Shahi Hadiths are "suspect" ? In that sense you may appear to be a Quranist like Tahmed or Masadi miyan.
If you want me to believe that "Quran is sufficient in itself " (as Masadi puts it) and does not contain justification to OBL's brand of Islam then I would be interested in knowing how to reconcile the literalist interpretations of Quran (even after jettissoning the hadiths ) which does not give idolators like me, who have read Quran and have rejected the message, a hope to live peacefully with the momeens.
Please enlighten me!!
regards,
#34 Posted by tahir on April 19, 2008 9:48:04 pm
Laddu Ji,
Please state whose tafseer you've read. Please read the one I recommend and you will be left with no doubts--God-willing.
You wish to know the truth I can see that. The first thing you must now do is not abuse God or the Prophets, and find answers for yourself.
Regards.
Please state whose tafseer you've read. Please read the one I recommend and you will be left with no doubts--God-willing.
You wish to know the truth I can see that. The first thing you must now do is not abuse God or the Prophets, and find answers for yourself.
Regards.
#35 Posted by tahir on April 19, 2008 9:52:00 pm
Re: # 33
Laddu Ji, here's what I said elsewhere:
Not even a Prophet can change (not a word, mind you) what God commands. 'Sunnah Allah remains unchanged', so says the Qur'an.
Only the Hadith literature shows the Prophet in a light adored by the Orientalists and detractors of Islam!
Please compare translations to see the 'slant' and the words put into the mouth of the Prophet through narrations that have been placed higher than God's Book!
What the good 'sahabah' did privately or according to their likes and dislikes cannot ever be called 'sunnah'. And the good companions would never go against what they were taught by the Prophet as God's message!
So what really happened here? Quite a few things that we practise today are Torah-Bible based, and certainly not what the Prophets conveyed as God's Word, and certainly not Islam or the Qur'an.
Contradictory (to one another and to the Qur'an) reports exist about the same topic on the same page coming from different narrators! No wonder they all love to quote the Ahadith!
Now who can dare say the same about the Qur'an which is self-explantory, clear, without inner contradictions, and comes with the Divine Publisher's guarantee?
Satan derives its power from OUR ignorance! Take charge and stop looking at the so-called Ulema for all your answers.
Laddu Ji, here's what I said elsewhere:
Not even a Prophet can change (not a word, mind you) what God commands. 'Sunnah Allah remains unchanged', so says the Qur'an.
Only the Hadith literature shows the Prophet in a light adored by the Orientalists and detractors of Islam!
Please compare translations to see the 'slant' and the words put into the mouth of the Prophet through narrations that have been placed higher than God's Book!
What the good 'sahabah' did privately or according to their likes and dislikes cannot ever be called 'sunnah'. And the good companions would never go against what they were taught by the Prophet as God's message!
So what really happened here? Quite a few things that we practise today are Torah-Bible based, and certainly not what the Prophets conveyed as God's Word, and certainly not Islam or the Qur'an.
Contradictory (to one another and to the Qur'an) reports exist about the same topic on the same page coming from different narrators! No wonder they all love to quote the Ahadith!
Now who can dare say the same about the Qur'an which is self-explantory, clear, without inner contradictions, and comes with the Divine Publisher's guarantee?
Satan derives its power from OUR ignorance! Take charge and stop looking at the so-called Ulema for all your answers.
#36 Posted by teshah on April 23, 2008 3:14:44 pm
Re: # 17
tahir
Your quote:
"The Bible does say in 24:16
And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him: as well the stranger, as he that is born in the land, when he blasphemeth the name of the Lord, shall be put to death."
Interesting isn't it! There is no punishment for blasphemy against Allah in Islam I think. It is the blasphemic against the prophet that shall be lynched in Islam. Am I right?
tahir
Your quote:
"The Bible does say in 24:16
And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him: as well the stranger, as he that is born in the land, when he blasphemeth the name of the Lord, shall be put to death."
Interesting isn't it! There is no punishment for blasphemy against Allah in Islam I think. It is the blasphemic against the prophet that shall be lynched in Islam. Am I right?
#37 Posted by teshah on April 23, 2008 3:57:22 pm
Re: # 27
laddu mian
You are a Mullah, but a 'kafar' one.
Now please tell me about eating of sea animals; they are not required to be slaughtered? Why?
laddu mian
You are a Mullah, but a 'kafar' one.
Now please tell me about eating of sea animals; they are not required to be slaughtered? Why?
#38 Posted by nkg on May 6, 2008 7:38:37 am
What a stupid staff!!! On which ground Mr. Noman Siddiqi will object about the film? Film is the most potent way of expressing views. I have seen the movie in youtube. It does not promote violence against anybody or derogatory to anybody. It is collection of verses from quoran and the practical use of it in real life (video clippings from news chanels).
Why are you scared of a movie? If you have anything to say please make your own movie and post in internet....
Why are you scared of a movie? If you have anything to say please make your own movie and post in internet....
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