How to End Politics of Hate and Intolerance

#107 sad to say, but the fact is that no general would dare to ask the military to start shooting in the panjab - the family ties are too strong here. if one brother is out in the streets protesting military rule, another is in the military. the panjab, and lahore/pindi area in particular is the fat lady in this case, and when the fat lady sings the game is up for the dictator - happened to ayub, happened to yahya (who even had a speech written out on why the "national interest" called upon him to continue after the fall of dhaka, and was told by the generals that the nation was in no mood to put up with his crap anymore).

Re: # 95 Posted by Urstruly on April 10, 2008 11:33:49 am

Urstruly sahib,

If you truly want to come across as real and genuine, in your criticism please do not limit yourself only to the western elite. There are these Salafi muslim countries such as KSA that are sending their petro-dollars and using Pakistan as their own fiefdom. They would rather see Pakistan as another failed state like Somalia, or like Sudan.

[I have always maintained that the corrupt, pro-western elite, which includes fouj, feudal lords, politicians, sirkari moulvis, fascist warlords like MQM and their minions in bureaucracy and state machinery. It is a whole class.]

Now will you be kind enough to include all the "misarees" (egytians), and the kings of oil wealth Arab nations, and their Arab population, who consider Pakistan as their own fiefdom?

Please remember when it comes to Pakistanis, we are all miskeens for the arabs (their kings and their people).

Can you become a truth seeking person?

Tahmed,

Well military has never hesitated to shoot people in Pakistan. Maybe not in Punjab yet, by I think they are reaching the desperation point. They will use pathan soldiers in punjab. You are dealing with a killing machine.

#103 this scoundrel is his own worst enemy.

Sorry, a few slaps!

#101 HP: because the last things generals need to see is military being asked to shoot at its own people. and so far the military under new management has demonstrated that it understands this.

I was appalled to read Mush's statement that Karachi was a reaction to Sher Afgan and Arbab Rahim. You have a president backed by the army who has the galls to say 11 people killed and houses torched for a few slapped those idiots got.

Re: # 100
Some councelors,who sent him to 90 to listens to the harrangues of altafbhai for 30 minutes.

Tahmed,

What makes you think the army cares about what people say on the street? As long as their interest are protected they will not bother but when they see any thing different, they will react to that.

#98
It may not be easy for you to grasp, the reference to Zardari implies his colleagues too. He is the one executing the advice.
I am sure that he was advised to go to 90 and I am sure he has some counselors.

HP #94 agree with most of what you say, particularly the part about mqm being basically a criminal organization that needs to be dealt with as such. no political party brings out men with guns to kill innocent civilians - and unlike may 12 this time the PPP govt needs to apprehend the culprits (not just the street thugs, but the gangleaders above them), or else it will stand exposed as being ineffective on what the pm himself declared to be the single biggest issue - law and order.

as for the cj being a bargaining chip - i think NS realizes now (even if zardari does not) that, thanks to the widespread public discontent with military meddling in politics, the military is in no position to start bargaining even if it wanted to.

Re: # 94
Dont get too high on the intellectual capacity of zardari.He may not be making all these moves by travelling on the same wavelenth as you do.

Re: # 95
Who shall get the pleasure of sending all these characters to the guillotin? What do you envision after that?

#94 Posted by HP,

You're in your unusual depth with this post, not seen for a long time. Let me read it closely.

Re: # 94 HP,

Your assessment is correct, however, I was never jumping up and down. I have always maintained that the corrupt, pro-western elite, which includes fouj, feudal lords, politicians, sirkari moulvis, fascist warlords like MQM and their minions in bureaucracy and state machinery. It is a whole class. They will never ever let rule of law establish in this country unless a majority of them are guillotined. Th current corrupt and incompetent system has benefited them to such an extent that as urdu proverb goes "has a rabbid dog bitten them?" to change all this. because of this system everyday of theirs is eid day and every night is a wedding night. Only last week the City nazim of Multan bought a private jet for US$ 80 million. I'd buy a private jet when I've at least 800 million dolalrs to spare. Think in the context of Pakistan how this class is enriching on the misery of people. We should forget about democracy/shamocracy when these bastards are at helm. I always maintained that. Zeemax was the optimist one.

I am unable to figure out Zeemax and Urstruly’s end of the story type pessimism. Just a few days ago, they were climbing on the trees with enthusiasm. Nothing is easy in the mess that Pakistan is now and I think what is coming up may be even worse. Imo, Pakistan is still at about 50% mark and the last 50% would be the toughest. So brace for more. Instead of going up and down with the tide just understand things as they are not what you wish them to be.

Zardari’s gamble to get to the MQM before it commits with the army again, basically failed. Though it was hard to swallow at that time, his move to make peace with the MQM was good. Zardari’s assessment that MQM was dangerous and it should be neutralized was not far off.

As long as Musharaf is able to convince the MQM that he will stay in power and the army will continue to protect him and the MQM, chances are the MQM will maintain its non-compromising stand and would continue to blackmail the PPP. Even after the PPP is forced to accept MQM in the government, they will continue to pressure the govt on every issue.

MQM is a gang of criminals and they cannot be defeated by political actions alone. I guess Nasarullah Baber’s assessment was right on the money. And later Nawaz agreed with that too. But the real gang of criminals behind this Bhatta enterprise is Pakistan’s army.

They are forcing the new government to accept a secondary position in the set up. The MQM is one tool to blackmail the new government.

Zardari made another mistake when he tried to distance himself from the Judges issue to appease the army. He needs to maintain the CJ issue as a major bargaining chip and use it diligently like NS is doing.

He shouldn’t let it go at the first sign of compromise. He should continue to dangle the offer to ditch the CJ as long as he could.