How to End Politics of Hate and Intolerance

Re: # 140

what is the Timbuktu category?

are you trying to be a comedian, now?

please don't quit your day job. whatever that might be?

Re: # 139

So you fall into the Timbuktu category.

Re: # 122 Posted by Urstruly on April 11, 2008 3:25:57 am

Urstruly sahib,

Did you learn that a hindoo was killed in Karachi? Now, if you are a religious person, can you condone such act of violence?

I just hope not. Muslim behavior is what matters most in the world these days, and their relationship towards other fellow humans.

Did you see violence in Sudan's Darfur area? Muslim arabs went on the killing rampage on black muslims. Do you usually get sad when a human gets killed?

[And I suggest that you get in the line. I am for sure the only interactor at the whole fukking chowk from whom people want authenticity before even I start talking.]

And you should be glad that most chowkies want the best in you. Are you not glad to lead in your prophet's way and become authentic?

Please stop analyzing words, while you are in the process of being authentic and following your spiritual leader. And don't pick and choose between a fanatic muslim and a moderate muslim (or is a moderate muslim, an oxymoron?).

[No such demand is placed on any other single fukking interactor except me.]

Because you are bogus, and your claim of religiosity is tainted towards your own version of what a muslim should be or should not be, and most people at chowk are just sick and tired of people who think like you.

[Perhaps I step on too many tails in the course of the day. And I intend to keep doing it.]

Good for you. Become a laughing stock both as a person, and make your values look ridiculously outdated. Actually, it remains a pleasure to read Hamid Mians comments on the views you express.

Re: # 133
Andhay ko andheray main bohat dur ki sujji.

#131 Posted by Urstruly,

gasoline arranged in advance

Not gasoline Urstruly, white powder. Some are saying it was Napalm, some saying it was white phosphorous.

The line "a hundred young men on motorcycles arrived" reminded me of your article 'White Charade'.

#133 zeemax: i hope you are right about mush/mqm/pmlq being now isolated from ppp. but it seems to me PPP itself is split (rank and file want nothing to do with mush or mqm, party position remains unclear still).

Re: # 132
Tahmed32, you wrong there.....both wear uniforms
army:http://www.pbs.org/frontlineworld/stories/pakistan/images/militar y.jpg

the mullahs: http://doctorbulldog.files.wordpress.com/2007/04/mullah-hassani.jpg

Both have weird saultes and handshakes (like the freemasons do)! Come on Tahmed32 in your dotage you are slipping.

#131 and no need to shed your crocodile tears for pakistanis. you refuse to accept the people's mandate just as much as mqm.

#127 Posted by tahmed32,

The deal would have been three-way i.e. musharraf remains president but gives up 58-2(b), MQM joins Federal Cabinet and gives up Karachi to PPP, Judiciary restored in the minus-one formula, and everyone goes home.

However PML-N put a spanner in the works by threatening to pull out of the coalition. ANP too showed its revulsion to MQM in Federal Cabinet and the entire coalition would have collapsed resulting in snap elections and a clear majority for PML-N.

As a consequence, the altaphie - Zardari bhai bhai deal scuppered and now the deal seems to be three-way between musharraf, MQM and PML-Q i.e. create anarchy, create conditions for dismissal of cabinet, MQM gets Karachi and PML-Q gets Lahore back in some new set-up, and musharraf remains firmly in-charge.

Americans seem to have given their nod going by Richard Boucher's statement today.

urstruly: actually you and hamidm have something in common - both of you would deny pakistanis their right to vote.

in your case, you would like to see them ruled by a bearded scoundrel, in hamidms case by a uniformed scoundrel.

Re: # 129 Zeemax

What a horrible detail. It is quite clear with the details that dictator's goons i.e. MQM had everything planned ahead, with padlocks, and gasoline arranged in advance. What a horrible and disgusting bunch of people these m/fs are. May all of them rot in hell for what they do to innocent human beings.

The two columns written by Javed Choudry and Abbas Athar at www.express.com.pk are worth reading. The degree of cruelty this dicator and his fascist cohorts exhibit is just mind boggling.

Re: # 128

So let me get this straight:

Your issue is that I shouldn't criticize west because I live there; and I shouldn't criticize peons of west in Pakistan because i don't live there. And what I 'm supposed to do with pak-afghan border? Should I criticize that it is too porous because I am too munafique?. Are you on ganja or something.

KARACHI: Witnesses term Tahir Plaza attack ‘pre-planned arson’

DAWN: By S. Raza Hassan

KARACHI, April 10: When an armed mob set fire to Tahir Plaza in what appears to be a pre-planned attack, the horrifying deaths suffered by six people who were unfortunate enough to be at the wrong place at the wrong time illustrate that it is always ordinary citizens who bear the brunt of politically-triggered unrest.

Once the inferno had died down, rescue workers recovered five bodies from the sixth floor office of advocate Haji Aftab Abbasi, who occupied room 616 in the building which housed various lawyers’ offices and lies adjacent to the City Courts. A sixth body was found late Wednesday night and rescue workers told Dawn that it had apparently been wearing bangles, suggesting that at least one woman died in the blaze.

Charred beyond recognition, the bodies were taken to the Sohrab Goth Edhi morgue. While two were taken away by their heirs for burial, Dawn witnessed a number of people at the morgue on Thursday, endeavouring to find in the blackened corpses some evidence identifying them as their missing loved ones.

Amongst these grieving people was Rasheeda Begum, who feared that her relatives Razia Batool (wife of Nadeem) and Sobia (wife of Shoaib Raza) died in the Tahir Plaza arson attack. The sisters-in-law left their Gulistan-i-Jauhar block 9 home on Wednesday afternoon to visit Mr Abbasi in connection with a bail application for a relative. “Razia left her three-year-old child at home,” said Rasheeda Begum in a trembling voice. “It is not possible to identify the bodies by simply looking at them. The investigation officer said that he is in possession of some rings and bangles recovered from these remains – perhaps they will help us in the identification process.”

Waiting outside the morgue on this sombre business, Rasheeda Begum nevertheless held on to a slim ray of hope – that the two women were rescued and taken to some hospital. “I keep praying that their cell phones start working again,” she told Dawn.

Needless deaths

No such hope is available to the family of 23-year-old Danish Akhtar and his brother-in-law Syed Dawar Hussain Rizvi, who are confirmed to have been burnt alive during the arson attack.

“Danish was married just a day before his death,” his cousin Ghulam Haider told Dawn. “On Wednesday, he and Dawar went to advocate Aftab Abbasi’s office to collect the marriage certificate. They left home at about noon and at around 3:30pm or so, Danish called his mother and told her that they were soon about to head home. That was the last we heard from him.”

When Haider reached the scene of the arson attack, he found the qazi who had performed Danish’s nikah also there. “He told us that Danish and Dawar were still in the building,” said Haider. “The bodies were burnt beyond recognition. We were able to recognise Danish from a fragment of his trousers and his melted cell phone. He also had a missing tooth, which proved to be key evidence in establishing his identity.”

Danish was laid to rest in Orangi Town on Thursday night. Meanwhile his brother-in-law Dawar was also identified through personal belongings found on the body. “Perhaps it was Dawar’s turn to be called to his Maker yesterday,” said his grieving father Syed Yawar Hussain as family members attempted to console him at the Rizvia Imambargah in the afternoon.

Advocate Abbasi, meanwhile, remained with his clients to the end as he too died in the blaze and was laid to rest in Lyari. The sixth body was identified as that of 35-year-old Basit Mehmood, who the Muttahida Qaumi Movement claims was the brother of one of the party’s workers. His funeral prayers were offered in Azizabad.

Pre-planned terror

Witnesses to Wednesday’s torching of Tahir Plaza termed it a “well-planned and coordinated attack.”

An eyewitness told Dawn that following the clash at the City Courts, about a hundred young men on motorcycles arrived at Tahir Plaza and first ransacked an eatery located on the ground floor. “About half of them entered the building and started beating the caretaker,” he said. “As they entered, some of the people who sensed danger in the air ran out of the building despite being roughed up by the attackers.”

The witness said that the young men went first to the third floor office, room 309, of Naeem Qureshi. “They were carrying China-made padlocks and sacks of what appeared to be a highly-inflammable powder,” he said, a conclusion confirmed by the chief fire officer who said that such a powder had been used in most of the incidents of arson that took place on Wednesday.

“They would first padlock the doors to each office and then break the glass panes with the butts of their pistols and throw in the powder,” said the witness. “After that, a burning match tossed into the room was enough to ignite a full-blown fire.”

The witness told Dawn that in this way, the youths set fire to rooms 309, and 308 which belonged to advocate Tasuvar Hussain, rooms 116 and 117 which belonged to advocate Ali Qureshi as well as rooms 105 and 109 on the first floor.

They repeated the same procedure on the sixth floor, first locking the grille with a china lock and then throwing in the inflammable powder followed by a light. But advocate Aftab Abbasi and five of his clients were trapped in room 616; they were burnt alive by the arsonists’ actions.

Witnesses said that after the building had been thoroughly gutted, the arsonists made good their escape while resorting firing into the air, forcing everyone in the vicinity to dive for cover.

Re: # 122

urstruly,

..... i hear you, but you only have yourself to blame ...... the resaon you and other mullahs residing in the west have no credibility is because of the obvious 'munafiqat' ........ the most venemous and vocal anti-west armchair jihadis are those residing in the west..... they rant and rail against the 'evil' system even as they take advantage of everything it has to offer - freedom of speech, welfare, government cheese, subsidized housing, student loans, etc etc ........ in my personal experience the degree of 'munafiqat' is direcvtly proportional to a person's religiosity ...... i am sure there are exceptions, but they are few and far between ........... you, my friend have been pigeon holed as a munafiq - live with it ......

..... by the way, how is life on the pak-afgahn border ?

zeemax: perhaps it is a bargaining chip as you and HP say. But why do you think the chip has not been used already and the bargain made (which seems more likely to me)? and what do you think is the bargain? is it for musharraf to step down from his military rank (and thus effectively lose his source of power) and for BB to come back (which is what it seems to me)?

the fact that the cj was not immediately restored the same time he was freed has been bad for the country i think - mqm's lawlessness would have ended (including the loss of life yesterday) if it saw the cj back in his place. and mush would have been in court by now, instead of trying to upset the people's mandate.

Re: # 125 Thank you Dash, I appreciate that.