The ‘shoey’ Side of Politics

Re: # 372 'aray kya baat kerdee peethay paan ke' , wasay, adaaab!

izuber bhai, what do you think of ahal-e-zuban(s) struggle? guide me please! sometimes, I am confused. I mean at times I give up because of MQM then I see this passer-e-zameens attitude towards us , institutional racism specially targeted towards us - it makes me come back. Although I had always voted for MQM not just because they represents us ahal-e-zuban but the party stand on 'merit'.

Re: # 369
Have a meetha paan & you will definitely feel better in the taste buds!

Re: # 370
IB Bhayia they are not a part of census

Re: # 368 wasay izbuer bhai, bhai can be aunties - check out Sheikh Amir Hassan or all the gay hay hay folks amoung us - there population is growing faster then rats!!!!

Izuber bhai, 203 was in bad taste!

Re: # 203
IM Bhai, what a contradiction! Bhai cant be aunties!!

take a guess again, amir is a bacha chota sa.

#366 dost_mittar

". And India should not help them out at that point either. India should continue to maintain the status quo. Let's see if allah from houri-land saves the day for the land of the pure."

[ajeya:
There is a famous Urdu verse:

Pilla kay giraana tau sab ko aata hai
Mazaa tau tub hai jab girtoN ko thaam lay saaqi

It means that the best time to help someone is when he badly needs it. Pakistanis'r us even though they feel ashamed in admitting it.]

Dost-Mitter,

There is another famous English phrase:

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me

Remember what happened to Prithviraj Chauhan who showed mercy after defeating Muhammad Ghori in battle? He was attacked at night by Ghori (which was against Kshatriya laws, but very much in line with tactics that Muhammad adopted many times). Muslims are the followers of Muhammad. The Hindu rules of warfare don't apply. Pakis will stab us in the back at the first opportunity.

I think we should maintain the status quo.

[Throughout history, foreigners have used our internal bickering to come and rule over us subcontinentals, let us learn from history and not repeat that mistake.]

There were no British in Ghori's time. Remeber what happened to Hindus for hundreds of years?

The British and the Americans are MUCH better. Satyagraha worked against the British. It doesn't work against Islam or Communism. Remember Tianaman square? That's what would have happened to Gandhi if it was the Muslim instead of the Britich.

ajeya#364:

". And India should not help them out at that point either. India should continue to maintain the status quo. Let's see if allah from houri-land saves the day for the land of the pure."

ajeya:
There is a famous Urdu verse:

Pilla kay giraana tau sab ko aata hai
Mazaa tau tub hai jab girtoN ko thaam lay saaqi

It means that the best time to help someone is when he badly needs it. Pakistanis'r us even though they feel ashamed in admitting it. Throughout history, foreigners have used our internal bickering to come and rule over us subcontinentals, let us learn from history and not repeat that mistake. We have problems, who doesn't? Even Canada and US have a looming teritorial dispute on soveignty over the arctic passage. The trick is to accept that the problems will be resolved, if not today then in distant future, but let us start behaving like normal neighbours in the meantime. Sounds like a pious sermon but is true nevertheless. Indians have always accepted this approach, if Pakistanis too are willing to do the same, let's not discourage them.

sattar2:

Thanks. It's abundantly clear now. Stupid me!

#359 dost_mittar

[And, yes, the army also knows that it can not successfully confront the Indian army at the present time...]

...or at any other time, being inferior in every imaginable way.

[But this does not mean that they have given up on the option of bleeding India by a thousand cuts.]

It would seem that in spite of the thousand "cuts" India is getting stronger every day, and Pakiland is the one bleeding from a thousand cuts instead. India will be getting a veto in the UN soon. And the USA is bombing Pakiland whenever it wants.

It's called Karma.

[the awaam of the two countries might start viewing Kashmir as an issue to be resolved among two friends rather than a feud between hostile neighbours]

The Pakistani awam is free to have any kind of wet dream it wants. The Indian awam are not interested in talking to the Paki awam about ANYTHING. As far as the Indian awam is concerned, the Paki awam can go to hell. After having supported terrorism and mass killing in India for decades, suddenly they are getting shafted from all sides, so it is time for friendship with India? I don't think so. When the USA is done with Pakiland-manufactured terrorism, they will discard Pakiland like a used condom (Obama was already talking about bombing Pakiland, no doubt because it is a popular concept amongst the US voters). And they will not be throwing any more money in the direction of Pakis after that. And India should not help them out at that point either. India should continue to maintain the status quo. Let's see if allah from houri-land saves the day for the land of the pure.

DM,

What tahmed is saying is that … chowk is a part of media; chowk is not controlled by any lobby; this proves that media at large has no outside influence.

… it’s your own fault if you fail to follow his reasoning.

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tahmed, tell us more about wonders of the information age. Note how questionable intelligence was used to drum up this war … and too many fools, including yourself, got taken in. And that’s the flip side of the “information revolution” that you fail to see.

make that "unless you explicitly" and not "if you explicitly" in #361 below.

And note that if you deny that the internet is part of the media, then you are taking an unrealistically narrow definition of what constitutes the media.

dm: the example i gave of the internet in fact demolishes your claim that the US media is controlled by the the pro-Israeli lobby.

the reason you think it is does not counter what you claim is because you implicitly reject the idea that the internet, and therefore chowk, is part of the media as well. If you explicitly reject that notion, then what you are saying is that chowk posts are controlled by the pro-Israeli media as well. Which brings you close to the brink that poor masadi has already gone over..

tahmed32:

Sirji, nothing that you said counters what I said in my post #347. On the other hand, I would ask you to ponder this: Which country is the same media would now like the US to go after (no, it's not Afghanistan)? Isn't it the same country from which Israel feels threatened?

ferozk#347:

I am aware that the new Kashmir policy has the full backing of the army and, indeed, was implemented by Musharraf himself. And, yes, the army also knows that it can not successfully confront the Indian army at the present time. But this does not mean that they have given up on the option of bleeding India by a thousand cuts. I would be surprised if the JeM or LeT have lost all their contacts in high places. I read a report yesterday that suggested that they have started new camps in Pakistan for the joint training of Khalistanis and Kashmiri separatists. And the US agencies have complained that the US aid supplied to counter insurgency has been used, instead, to purchase weapons that can only be used against India.

My only hope is that, if the present friendly civilian contacts between the two countries continue and greater trade relations develop, the awaam of the two countries might start viewing Kashmir as an issue to be resolved among two friends rather than a feud between hostile neighbours. If this happens, the army will lose its raison d'etre of holding the country as a hostage. In that case, there also will be no need for Pakistan to be subservient to the US - or to China or Saudi Arabia for that matter.

Regarding your hometown, it's not pretty right now. I came back two weeks ago after four months to find a six foot wall of snow on both sides of my street. And it ain't pretty like X-Mas time, this snow is ugly, mixed with salt, grit and muck accumulated over the winter. But don't worry, spring is around the corner (technically already here) and I can already see some tulips sprouting near the wall of the house.