The ‘shoey’ Side of Politics

dost-mittar,

.... to give you another example: what are the first few questions a punjabi asks you ?

" thuwadee zaat ki ai ?"
" ai koti thuwadee apne ai ?"

.... once he has determined whether you are a arain or a lowly jaat and whether you own the house or rent it, he will decide whether to offer you mixed chai in a cracked cup or 'speparate' chai in fine china ..... and god forbid if you are a lowly raja from domeli, you might not even get a glass of water ......

....... and don't tell me you cannot hear the only punjabi in a gathering when you walk into a hall full of a thousand hyderabadis and other civilized people ..... usually he is shouting someting like: "oye, tu chup kar - mein tanu dasna asal ich gal ki ay !"

Re: # 70

hamidm2

Being a Nazimabadi myself, I am flattered and at the same time embarrassed for not being able to reciprocate this kind gesture for lack of knowledge.

On a separate note, all this focus on a minority by a majority group is a matter of grave concern and I blame that paindu from Lahore NS for this rejuvenated Jaag Punjabi Jaag mantra.

Re: # 106
Problems with punjabis is they think they are not smart.They are shy they have punjabi who is nobel prize winner Har Govind Khuran.There is little mental degradation in producing typical movies "simple punjabiMunda" etc. Generally this rustic side leads excessive food eating,alcohol,painting eyes etc. It is quite boring to be in company of punjabis are generally basic earthy type of people he talks about money, then valgarity and then he over eats and then they drink and boast lot and when alcohol has taken over intelluctual activity gets in overdrive. It hard to catch and say in words sindhis are soft and pleasant and there is kind of crudeness in punjabis likeayub,ziyya and think of Present president then you can think subtle behavioural difference. They are "americans" of hindustan hardworking like donkey,not shirkers rustic plain elemental roty , dal etc . Even cultural activity reaches peaks with kite flying with peak reaching at that fine delicate bhangara dancing.
Punjabiu's are not city people and so they have different preoccupations. Like jews are basically city people and as they left rural areas and migrated to cities started out shining. In cities people get time more than villages as there is creation of "surplus"time. Surplus time leads to finers parts of life. As pakistan has now more people in cities punjabi social ethos will change over time. Their food is big problem full of fats and diet of 100 years old hard working agricultural conditions. It will be good if Punjabi men start thinking about their figures at 40 and control tummy and we can blame women folks for what they feed. Generally heavy weight is related to being well to do if some body is not over weight they ask man " health seems to be problem,join us to eat fatty foods". Also due toheavy foods and becoming fat Punjabi hindus and muslims start problem of getting excess hairs fron nose and eats. I am sure Sikhs have same problems but it is overlooked.
Also punjab has history that they remember in their blood taking impact of barbarian looters passing through and change all time. What are punjabis today is due to present situation as well what happened in past for thousand of years.They have been involving in to what they are so they can can suit their enviornment. At heart Punjabi likes order so he can gowith life. He is grateful for any body who gives stable system ( greeks, ashokasa, mughal,Sikhs, british or ayubs). He understands at heart all this rulers are temporary and they will come and go but his life will go and he has to go with life. He can get very angry but there is less sentimentality even about death as said "who I am to worry about dead as I am going towards fast there". Punjabis are great people and they are locomotive of country and some times carrying even all loads of always disgrunted sindhis,pathans and aways paranoid Mohajirs. Now nopoint in blaming mohagirs they have to be paranoid to survive as they are dealing with ruthless punjabis. When allrulers outsiders ruled them they behaved well but for first time they got to have some initiative they slaughterd each other completely ,nomercy ,noprisoners and snatching women folks. Mohagirs have have toput upwith with people whoare not passive.They are like big brother and have tocarry all blames but no credits as normal good deeds are forgotten. With Punjabi from south punjab as PM is ressuring to all and he is under control of Sindhi , Mohagir as head of state backed by usa and China is very good dynamic equilibrium for all concerned. It is very best for federal state. This best for punjab also.

Tribes may come,
And Tribes may go,
Our stupidity goes on for-ever.

Re: # 110
Arjun....... I can fully read your mind. You are shooting arrows at YLH.
Please stop this stilh attacks.

Re: # 115

Sir you forget Dr Salam.

Re: # 113 Its all cultural

re: tahmed32

Sirji, do not count on the military coming in to maintain the law and order in Karachi. The military is not interested in entering politics again. It wants the people to learn the truth about the politicans and if the people suffer to learn this, the military would not bat an eye. The only exceptional option might be if the nation is literally in the process of imploding and only then, might it intervene again.

However, I was a bit disappointed in your post, when you suggested military intervention. I did not expect this from you, Sirji, when yours had been the most vocal voice on Chowk for getting rid of military rule in favor of civilian rule. No matter how bad the situation gets, we must still not ask the military to pull our chestnuts from the fire. It is this sort of wishful thinking that lends creditbility to military interventions and then we distribute sweets in the streets when they topple civilian governments and then we cry, we want democracy.

We need to make up our minds once and for all as to what we want:democracy or martial law. We cannot pick and decide what we want one day and not on another day.If the civilians make problems, then let the civilians clean up the mess. Now that military rule has ended in Pakistan, I am against it being allowed back into politics for any reason and if the civilians cannot sort out the mess, then we deserve what we get because the sooner we learn to blame ourselves instead of scape goating everyone else in the world for our own follies, the sooner we will learn from our own mistakes.

Sirji, if this government cannot maintain the peace, as it promised; it should resign and let us have another election and let us keeping having elections till we find a government that can keep the peace and that still would be a thousand times better than asking the military to keep the peace.

I would much rather see this coalition break down and another one cobbled up in it's place, but no matter what happens, this government must be allowed its 5 years and then changed. The politicans must be given full rein so that they can never say that they were not allowed to finish their terms and the people must be allowed to see and suffer them completely for 5 years. This way, they will learn a valuable lesson and elect someone else and not keep electing the same old faces again and again, who have nothing to offer but empty promises of more unfulfilled promises.

Best wishes, Sirji!

Ciao

Re: # 118 I did not forget he is mentioned many times ( study YLH and JAYP). But slowly punjabi society becomes urdu speaking will he change to Mohajir culture or will still Punjabi with urdu mothrtoungue ? Profane culture is hard to defeat.( Peoplemarry white children look deshi -just example)

Re: # 121

Thussi changee gul karde ho.

As you correctly pointed out the urbanization of Punjab will of course have its evolutionary needs and changes. Whether they adopt Brittany Spears or Altaf Hussein will depend upon their leaders, corporate managements and economic prosperity. Look at the rich Arab families, they have money so they can play the western ballroom antics and yet maintain their identity. Compare that with our poor neighbor India, they have little resources and democracy which has led to infatuation with everything western.

#120 Posted by ferozk
"do not count on the military coming in to maintain the law and order in Karachi. The military is not interested in entering politics again."

Helping in maintaining the law and order is one of the Army function. However, in Pakistan's context, it would be better if people don't look to the military for helping that area. It dangerous for the Pakistani society.

"The military is not interested in entering politics again."

What? The military never left politics in Pakistan. The Pak army will never leave politics. Or perhaps will leave politics, when the politicians have the balls to disband the army.

Feroz, Army is the largest enterprise and also the largest employer in Pakistan with economic interests that require constant control of the political power.

The army is in politics and will never leave politics. Only some miracle can change this.

I have not seen any miracle in the last three months.
The effort right now should be support a civilian set up that keeps the army in the background.

Re: # 120


ferozk,

"this government must be allowed its 5 years and then changed. The politicans must be given full rein so that they can never say that they were not allowed to finish their terms and the people must be allowed to see and suffer them completely for 5 years. "

....... i agree with you, but i don't think this government will last five years because i simply cannot see pml-n and ppp getting along once they get rid of the common enemy - musharraf ....... the economy is in a precarious state and there is no way that any government can solve issues like atta shortage, runaway inflation and electricity shortages in a resonable period of time ... spcially when they are spending their energies in fighting with their political opponents and accumulating personal wealth as quickly as they can ...........

..... so, i think the coalition will fall apart by the middle of next year and new elections will be called ...... it will be interesting to see the results ......

...... can anyone tell me why malik qayum is still the attorney general? ..... this man is musharraf's right hand man and the new prime minister can remove him any time he wants to ......... so why is he still running around meeting with altaphbai and showing up in swiss courts? ........ oops !

"i think the coalition will fall apart by the middle of next year"

Hamid,
Middle of the next year is like eons for this coalition . I think once they are able to get rid of Musharaf, a call for new elections within the next six months or so would be a good idea.

The PPP will benefit if Mush stays. NS wont let Mush stay.

....... did anyone notice how upbeat and confident musharraf looked in his meetings with the chinese leadership and how morose, sad and pathetic the two men flanking him looked ? ....... whatshisname, the foreign minister qureshi and the defense minister chaudhary something looked like they were going to start crying at any minute ..... someone needs to tell them that they are in power ..........

hp,

...... i don't understand why the coalition is not talking about impeaching musharraf - they have the numbers to do it ........