Ather Naqvi April 9, 2008
#33 Posted by rf786 on April 11, 2008 7:21:57 am
Re: # 32
tahmed32
I can understand and respect your views regarding CH and PM, but to pass judgment on me and hamidm2, that I will not accept or allow. By the same right that was bestowed upon thee, allow me to question your loyalty to the land of pure. How can the CJ of any country politicize the honorable seat of justice and find loyalist who assume the role of judge, jury and executioner? With all due respect to your honorable yet flawed perspective, if Mush was guilty so was the CJ.
In my book both of these morons needs to go before they inflict further damage to Pakistan.
tahmed32
I can understand and respect your views regarding CH and PM, but to pass judgment on me and hamidm2, that I will not accept or allow. By the same right that was bestowed upon thee, allow me to question your loyalty to the land of pure. How can the CJ of any country politicize the honorable seat of justice and find loyalist who assume the role of judge, jury and executioner? With all due respect to your honorable yet flawed perspective, if Mush was guilty so was the CJ.
In my book both of these morons needs to go before they inflict further damage to Pakistan.
#34 Posted by zeemax on April 11, 2008 7:22:16 am
rf786,
Please read the Dawn article below and tell me which ones were the MQM burnt alive?
KARACHI: Witnesses term Tahir Plaza attack ‘pre-planned arson’
DAWN: By S. Raza Hassan
KARACHI, April 10: When an armed mob set fire to Tahir Plaza in what appears to be a pre-planned attack, the horrifying deaths suffered by six people who were unfortunate enough to be at the wrong place at the wrong time illustrate that it is always ordinary citizens who bear the brunt of politically-triggered unrest.
Once the inferno had died down, rescue workers recovered five bodies from the sixth floor office of advocate Haji Aftab Abbasi, who occupied room 616 in the building which housed various lawyers’ offices and lies adjacent to the City Courts. A sixth body was found late Wednesday night and rescue workers told Dawn that it had apparently been wearing bangles, suggesting that at least one woman died in the blaze.
Charred beyond recognition, the bodies were taken to the Sohrab Goth Edhi morgue. While two were taken away by their heirs for burial, Dawn witnessed a number of people at the morgue on Thursday, endeavouring to find in the blackened corpses some evidence identifying them as their missing loved ones.
Amongst these grieving people was Rasheeda Begum, who feared that her relatives Razia Batool (wife of Nadeem) and Sobia (wife of Shoaib Raza) died in the Tahir Plaza arson attack. The sisters-in-law left their Gulistan-i-Jauhar block 9 home on Wednesday afternoon to visit Mr Abbasi in connection with a bail application for a relative. “Razia left her three-year-old child at home,” said Rasheeda Begum in a trembling voice. “It is not possible to identify the bodies by simply looking at them. The investigation officer said that he is in possession of some rings and bangles recovered from these remains – perhaps they will help us in the identification process.”
Waiting outside the morgue on this sombre business, Rasheeda Begum nevertheless held on to a slim ray of hope – that the two women were rescued and taken to some hospital. “I keep praying that their cell phones start working again,” she told Dawn.
Needless deaths
No such hope is available to the family of 23-year-old Danish Akhtar and his brother-in-law Syed Dawar Hussain Rizvi, who are confirmed to have been burnt alive during the arson attack.
“Danish was married just a day before his death,” his cousin Ghulam Haider told Dawn. “On Wednesday, he and Dawar went to advocate Aftab Abbasi’s office to collect the marriage certificate. They left home at about noon and at around 3:30pm or so, Danish called his mother and told her that they were soon about to head home. That was the last we heard from him.”
When Haider reached the scene of the arson attack, he found the qazi who had performed Danish’s nikah also there. “He told us that Danish and Dawar were still in the building,” said Haider. “The bodies were burnt beyond recognition. We were able to recognise Danish from a fragment of his trousers and his melted cell phone. He also had a missing tooth, which proved to be key evidence in establishing his identity.”
Danish was laid to rest in Orangi Town on Thursday night. Meanwhile his brother-in-law Dawar was also identified through personal belongings found on the body. “Perhaps it was Dawar’s turn to be called to his Maker yesterday,” said his grieving father Syed Yawar Hussain as family members attempted to console him at the Rizvia Imambargah in the afternoon.
Advocate Abbasi, meanwhile, remained with his clients to the end as he too died in the blaze and was laid to rest in Lyari. The sixth body was identified as that of 35-year-old Basit Mehmood, who the Muttahida Qaumi Movement claims was the brother of one of the party’s workers. His funeral prayers were offered in Azizabad.
Pre-planned terror
Witnesses to Wednesday’s torching of Tahir Plaza termed it a “well-planned and coordinated attack.”
An eyewitness told Dawn that following the clash at the City Courts, about a hundred young men on motorcycles arrived at Tahir Plaza and first ransacked an eatery located on the ground floor. “About half of them entered the building and started beating the caretaker,” he said. “As they entered, some of the people who sensed danger in the air ran out of the building despite being roughed up by the attackers.”
The witness said that the young men went first to the third floor office, room 309, of Naeem Qureshi. “They were carrying China-made padlocks and sacks of what appeared to be a highly-inflammable powder,” he said, a conclusion confirmed by the chief fire officer who said that such a powder had been used in most of the incidents of arson that took place on Wednesday.
“They would first padlock the doors to each office and then break the glass panes with the butts of their pistols and throw in the powder,” said the witness. “After that, a burning match tossed into the room was enough to ignite a full-blown fire.”
The witness told Dawn that in this way, the youths set fire to rooms 309, and 308 which belonged to advocate Tasuvar Hussain, rooms 116 and 117 which belonged to advocate Ali Qureshi as well as rooms 105 and 109 on the first floor.
They repeated the same procedure on the sixth floor, first locking the grille with a china lock and then throwing in the inflammable powder followed by a light. But advocate Aftab Abbasi and five of his clients were trapped in room 616; they were burnt alive by the arsonists’ actions.
Witnesses said that after the building had been thoroughly gutted, the arsonists made good their escape while resorting firing into the air, forcing everyone in the vicinity to dive for cover.
Please read the Dawn article below and tell me which ones were the MQM burnt alive?
KARACHI: Witnesses term Tahir Plaza attack ‘pre-planned arson’
DAWN: By S. Raza Hassan
KARACHI, April 10: When an armed mob set fire to Tahir Plaza in what appears to be a pre-planned attack, the horrifying deaths suffered by six people who were unfortunate enough to be at the wrong place at the wrong time illustrate that it is always ordinary citizens who bear the brunt of politically-triggered unrest.
Once the inferno had died down, rescue workers recovered five bodies from the sixth floor office of advocate Haji Aftab Abbasi, who occupied room 616 in the building which housed various lawyers’ offices and lies adjacent to the City Courts. A sixth body was found late Wednesday night and rescue workers told Dawn that it had apparently been wearing bangles, suggesting that at least one woman died in the blaze.
Charred beyond recognition, the bodies were taken to the Sohrab Goth Edhi morgue. While two were taken away by their heirs for burial, Dawn witnessed a number of people at the morgue on Thursday, endeavouring to find in the blackened corpses some evidence identifying them as their missing loved ones.
Amongst these grieving people was Rasheeda Begum, who feared that her relatives Razia Batool (wife of Nadeem) and Sobia (wife of Shoaib Raza) died in the Tahir Plaza arson attack. The sisters-in-law left their Gulistan-i-Jauhar block 9 home on Wednesday afternoon to visit Mr Abbasi in connection with a bail application for a relative. “Razia left her three-year-old child at home,” said Rasheeda Begum in a trembling voice. “It is not possible to identify the bodies by simply looking at them. The investigation officer said that he is in possession of some rings and bangles recovered from these remains – perhaps they will help us in the identification process.”
Waiting outside the morgue on this sombre business, Rasheeda Begum nevertheless held on to a slim ray of hope – that the two women were rescued and taken to some hospital. “I keep praying that their cell phones start working again,” she told Dawn.
Needless deaths
No such hope is available to the family of 23-year-old Danish Akhtar and his brother-in-law Syed Dawar Hussain Rizvi, who are confirmed to have been burnt alive during the arson attack.
“Danish was married just a day before his death,” his cousin Ghulam Haider told Dawn. “On Wednesday, he and Dawar went to advocate Aftab Abbasi’s office to collect the marriage certificate. They left home at about noon and at around 3:30pm or so, Danish called his mother and told her that they were soon about to head home. That was the last we heard from him.”
When Haider reached the scene of the arson attack, he found the qazi who had performed Danish’s nikah also there. “He told us that Danish and Dawar were still in the building,” said Haider. “The bodies were burnt beyond recognition. We were able to recognise Danish from a fragment of his trousers and his melted cell phone. He also had a missing tooth, which proved to be key evidence in establishing his identity.”
Danish was laid to rest in Orangi Town on Thursday night. Meanwhile his brother-in-law Dawar was also identified through personal belongings found on the body. “Perhaps it was Dawar’s turn to be called to his Maker yesterday,” said his grieving father Syed Yawar Hussain as family members attempted to console him at the Rizvia Imambargah in the afternoon.
Advocate Abbasi, meanwhile, remained with his clients to the end as he too died in the blaze and was laid to rest in Lyari. The sixth body was identified as that of 35-year-old Basit Mehmood, who the Muttahida Qaumi Movement claims was the brother of one of the party’s workers. His funeral prayers were offered in Azizabad.
Pre-planned terror
Witnesses to Wednesday’s torching of Tahir Plaza termed it a “well-planned and coordinated attack.”
An eyewitness told Dawn that following the clash at the City Courts, about a hundred young men on motorcycles arrived at Tahir Plaza and first ransacked an eatery located on the ground floor. “About half of them entered the building and started beating the caretaker,” he said. “As they entered, some of the people who sensed danger in the air ran out of the building despite being roughed up by the attackers.”
The witness said that the young men went first to the third floor office, room 309, of Naeem Qureshi. “They were carrying China-made padlocks and sacks of what appeared to be a highly-inflammable powder,” he said, a conclusion confirmed by the chief fire officer who said that such a powder had been used in most of the incidents of arson that took place on Wednesday.
“They would first padlock the doors to each office and then break the glass panes with the butts of their pistols and throw in the powder,” said the witness. “After that, a burning match tossed into the room was enough to ignite a full-blown fire.”
The witness told Dawn that in this way, the youths set fire to rooms 309, and 308 which belonged to advocate Tasuvar Hussain, rooms 116 and 117 which belonged to advocate Ali Qureshi as well as rooms 105 and 109 on the first floor.
They repeated the same procedure on the sixth floor, first locking the grille with a china lock and then throwing in the inflammable powder followed by a light. But advocate Aftab Abbasi and five of his clients were trapped in room 616; they were burnt alive by the arsonists’ actions.
Witnesses said that after the building had been thoroughly gutted, the arsonists made good their escape while resorting firing into the air, forcing everyone in the vicinity to dive for cover.
#35 Posted by zeemax on April 11, 2008 7:23:40 am
I don't see cockroach_5 today, though I see the moron createUllukapatha. Anything wrong?
#36 Posted by rf786 on April 11, 2008 7:31:11 am
Re: # 34
Zeemax
Nowhere in this article does it implicate, name or identify the culprits. You are making the same old stereotypical assumption based on pre-conditioned biases that it had to be the MQM.
Why not the PML-N goons? We all know who was behind the Sher Afghan thrashing, who has links with MQM-Haqiqi none other but NS.
Having said that, it could have been MQM, but then again they had families of the victims of 9th April present on the stage when AH made his drama speech.
Perception versus reality, I choose reality.
Zeemax
Nowhere in this article does it implicate, name or identify the culprits. You are making the same old stereotypical assumption based on pre-conditioned biases that it had to be the MQM.
Why not the PML-N goons? We all know who was behind the Sher Afghan thrashing, who has links with MQM-Haqiqi none other but NS.
Having said that, it could have been MQM, but then again they had families of the victims of 9th April present on the stage when AH made his drama speech.
Perception versus reality, I choose reality.
#38 Posted by zeemax on April 11, 2008 8:14:54 am
#36 Posted by rf786,
Bhai, I can only laugh at this post. No comments.
Bhai, I can only laugh at this post. No comments.
#39 Posted by slyder. on April 11, 2008 8:20:34 am
MQM has a history of killing people and taking their dead bodies at gunpoint to nine zero for janaza prayers and claim that the deceased was one of theirs.
Moreover, any victim in localities controlled by them can be claimed as their worker/supporter and the victim's family dare not say otherwise.
Moreover, any victim in localities controlled by them can be claimed as their worker/supporter and the victim's family dare not say otherwise.
#40 Posted by zeemax on April 11, 2008 8:20:35 am
Just a clarification. They had families of the burnt clients present inside when they locked the grill - who were Urdu speaking. I don't know what stories they fed them. Actually buried those dead adjacent to nine-zero.
The lawyer whose office was burnt, was active in the Lawyer's movement, was Sindhi speaking, and was buried wrapped in a PPP flag elsewhere.
Now do tell me again who killed them.
The lawyer whose office was burnt, was active in the Lawyer's movement, was Sindhi speaking, and was buried wrapped in a PPP flag elsewhere.
Now do tell me again who killed them.
#41 Posted by hamidm2 on April 11, 2008 8:22:08 am
Re: # 33
rf786,
..... a lot of people are proposing the plus-2 formula which restores the cj and also keeps mushy - this seems to be the concensus view among well menaing but stupid, people whj want to 'keep the peace' ........... i like your minus-2 formula much better ...... these two clowns should be assigned as ambassadors to fiji and chad ......... not that it is going to help anything - people like nawaz sharif, zardari, altaph bhai and the chaudary bradran will make mushy look like a saint .....
rf786,
..... a lot of people are proposing the plus-2 formula which restores the cj and also keeps mushy - this seems to be the concensus view among well menaing but stupid, people whj want to 'keep the peace' ........... i like your minus-2 formula much better ...... these two clowns should be assigned as ambassadors to fiji and chad ......... not that it is going to help anything - people like nawaz sharif, zardari, altaph bhai and the chaudary bradran will make mushy look like a saint .....
#42 Posted by bubba on April 11, 2008 8:50:21 am
Re: # 41
Gopi sahib,
why are you still supporting these politicians? what is so sacred about them? let them go after each other. several billions of US aid is at stake.
all this is a drama to divide the unwashed masses. finally Pakistani people will become powerful and get rid of all of them, unfortunately great violence is in store for Pakistan.
people's power should continue kicking their ass. this should continue for a long time to flush out the evils amongst Pakistani politicians. once a while, we need cleansing.
they now know atta-daal kaa bhau. people are now smiling that all these rascals are humilitating themselves. just be careful, i might use a masaadi on you.
bogus pakistani evil promoting politicians deserve worse than what is happening.
Gopi sahib,
why are you still supporting these politicians? what is so sacred about them? let them go after each other. several billions of US aid is at stake.
all this is a drama to divide the unwashed masses. finally Pakistani people will become powerful and get rid of all of them, unfortunately great violence is in store for Pakistan.
people's power should continue kicking their ass. this should continue for a long time to flush out the evils amongst Pakistani politicians. once a while, we need cleansing.
they now know atta-daal kaa bhau. people are now smiling that all these rascals are humilitating themselves. just be careful, i might use a masaadi on you.
bogus pakistani evil promoting politicians deserve worse than what is happening.
#43 Posted by tahir on April 11, 2008 9:51:07 am
The King Cobra of London threatened to give up the command post but then kindly reconsidered his decision when the workers decided to go on hunger-strike. Imagine, the flour these folks might have saved!
"We want our leader, not our destination!", they chanted in response to growls emanating from the loudspeakers; direct from London.
"This is your last chance!" he warned the cheering fools as he climbed atop the throne once again.
To make so much fuss over a leader who merely went to the toilet to relieve himself! Is there a label for this?
"We want our leader, not our destination!", they chanted in response to growls emanating from the loudspeakers; direct from London.
"This is your last chance!" he warned the cheering fools as he climbed atop the throne once again.
To make so much fuss over a leader who merely went to the toilet to relieve himself! Is there a label for this?
#44 Posted by HPsauce on April 11, 2008 10:14:55 am
so the grand mirzai experiment on Chwok is a success!
Imagine a muslim, in the full knowledge of the quraan comes to know Allah personally. Once you know Allah personally who need the The Prophet, whn you can profit from this knowledge yourself.
Propagate your new religion - as in call yourself Prophet and repeat The old Prophet messages (after the quraan is almost a compilation of the revelations of Allah to The Prophet(PBUH) along with other scriptures (judaic and Christian)) together with your revelation are packaged and viola you have your flock - muslim in name.
The Mirzais are the same.
With me so far.
Now along comes another half mirzai - claiming to have found GOD. He got to know Allah personally, but the chutiya will not admit it publicly but in stage whispers, in third person and using the concept of chinese whispers spread the story that he knows Allah.
no one catches this bhund ke aulaad. tHIS GANDOO SHOULD BE locked up and cast out as a Mirzai as per Pakistan's law, and Islamic Theology.
Nothing happens. this gandoo is free to roam Chowk and abuse every one to his hearts content.
Is this is the next step....sleath?
Abey gandoo Zeemax chutiye khullam khulla bol tu naya Mirza hain, madarchod.
Imagine a muslim, in the full knowledge of the quraan comes to know Allah personally. Once you know Allah personally who need the The Prophet, whn you can profit from this knowledge yourself.
Propagate your new religion - as in call yourself Prophet and repeat The old Prophet messages (after the quraan is almost a compilation of the revelations of Allah to The Prophet(PBUH) along with other scriptures (judaic and Christian)) together with your revelation are packaged and viola you have your flock - muslim in name.
The Mirzais are the same.
With me so far.
Now along comes another half mirzai - claiming to have found GOD. He got to know Allah personally, but the chutiya will not admit it publicly but in stage whispers, in third person and using the concept of chinese whispers spread the story that he knows Allah.
no one catches this bhund ke aulaad. tHIS GANDOO SHOULD BE locked up and cast out as a Mirzai as per Pakistan's law, and Islamic Theology.
Nothing happens. this gandoo is free to roam Chowk and abuse every one to his hearts content.
Is this is the next step....sleath?
Abey gandoo Zeemax chutiye khullam khulla bol tu naya Mirza hain, madarchod.
#45 Posted by anil on April 11, 2008 1:47:42 pm
Re: # 41
Hamidm sahib:
You are really into politics. We used to call it "Kutte Khassi" karna in my student days in Delhi.
Hamidm sahib:
You are really into politics. We used to call it "Kutte Khassi" karna in my student days in Delhi.
#46 Posted by IB on April 11, 2008 4:48:27 pm
As a minority group (Urdu speaking) MQM does our dirty work. Fortunately or Unfortunately, MQM is our counter group (like Sin Fin of the Irish, Hizbul Mujahideen of the Kashmir’s) against Fascist Sindis and Power Mongering Paindoo Punjabis; not to mention the Pashtoons who needs to be kept in check in Karachi.
Although I’m sorry and grieved for the tragic loss of life on personal basis but delighted at the quick wits of the leadership of MQM as it was a ‘much needed action’ – post Sindi Government in Sind and Punjabi Fascist Lohar Government in Punjab.
What we achieved after the action? Total dominance in Karachi, Hyderabad, Confidence Boosters for our community apart from power sharing on 60/40 basis in Sind.
As for lawyers, I wish more gets killed!!!!
Bravo MQM, Bravooo!
#47 Posted by hamidm2 on April 11, 2008 6:39:06 pm
Re: # 45
anil mian,
........... so many dogs and so little time!
anil mian,
........... so many dogs and so little time!
#48 Posted by 1Safe on April 12, 2008 12:35:03 am
re Altaf resignation bit,
There were two messages in it...
For the country it said, He was not involved in this..i.e. He is not in control of everything..
For those in control of the thugs, he said, stop it.
Now the question is, who controls these soldiers?
There were two messages in it...
For the country it said, He was not involved in this..i.e. He is not in control of everything..
For those in control of the thugs, he said, stop it.
Now the question is, who controls these soldiers?
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