Khalid Sohail April 13, 2008
#271 Posted by peonofthewest on April 23, 2008 4:08:23 pm
Re: # 270
mr boob boon boom saab
are you saying musalmans are snakes saab
i am a kalma go musalman saab and very offended saab
mr boob boon boom saab
are you saying musalmans are snakes saab
i am a kalma go musalman saab and very offended saab
#270 Posted by echoboom on April 23, 2008 2:29:34 pm
http://www.chowk.com/viewg/2433
A friendly advice
To the Murtid Mice
Thank you Izza
A friendly advice
To the Murtid Mice
Thank you Izza
#268 Posted by masadi on April 23, 2008 4:05:40 am
echo mian, your concern for this shrink is very moving and your politeness even more so. He should spend the rest of his life thanking you for the time you took to wake his miserable a$$ up but he wont the ingrate that he is. Therefore I have lost patience with these people and make comments that show them the ugliness of what their souls have become, I know that decent people are offended by my comments but they are meant only for these morons, so don't take offense.
Now, please tap into the hologram and pull for us the last diary entries of tahmed and hamid, HumpedDumped2 and his Chiuhuaha R2D(t)32.
Now, please tap into the hologram and pull for us the last diary entries of tahmed and hamid, HumpedDumped2 and his Chiuhuaha R2D(t)32.
#267 Posted by echoboom on April 22, 2008 7:40:19 pm
Nature-Lover
Your "Honey, I have shrunk the shrink" is superbly hilarious.
Here is the self-analysis of the Shrrivelled shrink...the last entry into his diary.
........................................................
Last Entry:
In the diary of the Psycho from chukk:420, mauza Harrapa
===========================================================
My own private Fridaho
epilogue
.....and now I can sense that they are mumbling & whispering about removing the life-support system from me. It is not that I am in coma all the time, it is just that they cannot tell that, and I do not tell them. I observe, I listen, but I cannot respond...but only for sporadic minutes when no one is around. The prescriptions & proscriptions of the west & east did me in!
It`ll be anyday, anytime,
sooner than later.
.........ahh!and memories! , in a rewind loop, now in focus, now in a blurr & blob from the deep deep recesses of my mind, never ever abandon me, never let go. It sure helps to be a shrink to interpret and bring into focus these repressed memories....
...the joyful days and nights when I was called Fridaho by everyone. Snot, rat-tail-like, peeking in and out of my dust laden & dirt ridden nostrils and occasionally wiped-ff by my left sleeve while looking askance at every passing elder who would shove-kick-slap-hit me--just for the heck of it . At least they recognised me that I existed. I belonged! Here in US nobody gives a damn no matter how hard you try to prove that now you are one of them.So Frida-ho it was, sometimes Freeda-ho, sometimes Freeday-ho but none seemed different. The landowners around Harrapa were too preoccupied & disinterested to worry about my heritage or what I truly aspired to be. I was simply a body, a serf, a kummee`s son, destined to be a kummee himself when old enough to plow their fields.
But I had ambitions. Secret designs of my own. Intrepid & Intrigue was important to overcome the caste, and the color barrier. I wanted to be like the Jat jagirdars son.., with the plastic clip-on tie & back-pack,..whose forefathers helped the british to rule over us. ``Salvation is in slavery``! this became my banner & beacon....to enable me to cross over to the other side & someday have my own private slaves.
`` I must redesign my heritage`` I heard myself say to myself aloud oneday. It must be sculpted by me to suit the occasion or event. I decided to interrupt others and correcte them that my name was Fareed. Everyone should take notice, I told them. I am Fareed--not Freeda-ho. They all did, and shoved-kicked-slapped and ran me out of the chukk # 440 near to the mound-ruins where heritage is preserved. Preserved so well that it generates ample reveues for its progeny even after laying dormant for about 5000 years. The goraas discovered the mounds of the dead and educated the slaves; drilled into them how civilised they once were and how the slaves were once 5000-year civilised & now in the darkages due to their stupid reli.. (well-never mind)
...good that they hounded me out of the Chukk 420 near mauza Harrapa. In the city I became the real me, Fareed! and now diligently pursued the practised the Jaw-resetting language to such perfection that that I was soon inducted into that inner-sanctum of those who prided themselves to announce themselves as The-Tongued-Ones: (ahle-zubaan)
Years passed and then I discovered that even this heritage is now under suspicion and is no longer respectable. The-Tongued-ones are being harrassed by those who are now refusing the get their jaws reset. So I decided to look for opportunities to create another new heritage for my nation`s posterior and my own posterity
I decided to emigrate to the fantasy-land of sex,drugs & faith-freedom
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and opportunity!
Here I learned that my name a big problem for me & the way I pronounce it is even a bigger problem for the immigration folk. They re-named me Freud, ( apt! I chucked then) entered that in the register, and officially I became Archie Freud . Archie is for Arshad , a name I had always liked and was given that as my `christain` name when the immigration guy, fat beet-red face one, insisted that Arshad was too foreign & a jawlocker for him.
Sixty long years seem now like the blink of an eye! Such a Psychiatric I was that, in serving science & humanism, I became a psycho myself and was committed to the proper places many a times during my shining career & gloomy disposition. Some alluded this to the genius in me and such a price is small for those like me to pay to serve humanity and reassert my Insaanyat in ways other than the mundane kind. I sometimes feel that it is my obssessive cynicism to keep a score on my insaanyat index that blew my brainfuse.
Despite all the laurels and dollars , I was still uneasy with this post-modernistic, humanistic heritage of mine. Hell, the kids, no longer kids by the way, were determined to manufacture their own heritage, as muslim, and were going out of the way to refuse to inherit anything at all from the mounds of Moenjo Dero or the hollows of Harrapaa . This really did me in. I mean with all the heritage that I accumulated and now here my own flesh and blood wanted to disinherit all that!
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...So When I returned to the area I had left as Chukk 420 I tried to prove & convince the people running the heritage industry, primarily the Jaw-lockers--the Tongued-ones (ahli-Zubaan), but no one was interested anymore.They ahd outslaved me by a single U-turn. They were all trying to become a mirror image of the people from the land of bilk & money.
I learnt that behind my back they sneered at my attempt to speak in the Jawlock-way or the neo-Tongue-Ones way.
They were calling me Dr. Fraud.
Your "Honey, I have shrunk the shrink" is superbly hilarious.
Here is the self-analysis of the Shrrivelled shrink...the last entry into his diary.
........................................................
Last Entry:
In the diary of the Psycho from chukk:420, mauza Harrapa
===========================================================
My own private Fridaho
epilogue
.....and now I can sense that they are mumbling & whispering about removing the life-support system from me. It is not that I am in coma all the time, it is just that they cannot tell that, and I do not tell them. I observe, I listen, but I cannot respond...but only for sporadic minutes when no one is around. The prescriptions & proscriptions of the west & east did me in!
It`ll be anyday, anytime,
sooner than later.
.........ahh!and memories! , in a rewind loop, now in focus, now in a blurr & blob from the deep deep recesses of my mind, never ever abandon me, never let go. It sure helps to be a shrink to interpret and bring into focus these repressed memories....
...the joyful days and nights when I was called Fridaho by everyone. Snot, rat-tail-like, peeking in and out of my dust laden & dirt ridden nostrils and occasionally wiped-ff by my left sleeve while looking askance at every passing elder who would shove-kick-slap-hit me--just for the heck of it . At least they recognised me that I existed. I belonged! Here in US nobody gives a damn no matter how hard you try to prove that now you are one of them.So Frida-ho it was, sometimes Freeda-ho, sometimes Freeday-ho but none seemed different. The landowners around Harrapa were too preoccupied & disinterested to worry about my heritage or what I truly aspired to be. I was simply a body, a serf, a kummee`s son, destined to be a kummee himself when old enough to plow their fields.
But I had ambitions. Secret designs of my own. Intrepid & Intrigue was important to overcome the caste, and the color barrier. I wanted to be like the Jat jagirdars son.., with the plastic clip-on tie & back-pack,..whose forefathers helped the british to rule over us. ``Salvation is in slavery``! this became my banner & beacon....to enable me to cross over to the other side & someday have my own private slaves.
`` I must redesign my heritage`` I heard myself say to myself aloud oneday. It must be sculpted by me to suit the occasion or event. I decided to interrupt others and correcte them that my name was Fareed. Everyone should take notice, I told them. I am Fareed--not Freeda-ho. They all did, and shoved-kicked-slapped and ran me out of the chukk # 440 near to the mound-ruins where heritage is preserved. Preserved so well that it generates ample reveues for its progeny even after laying dormant for about 5000 years. The goraas discovered the mounds of the dead and educated the slaves; drilled into them how civilised they once were and how the slaves were once 5000-year civilised & now in the darkages due to their stupid reli.. (well-never mind)
...good that they hounded me out of the Chukk 420 near mauza Harrapa. In the city I became the real me, Fareed! and now diligently pursued the practised the Jaw-resetting language to such perfection that that I was soon inducted into that inner-sanctum of those who prided themselves to announce themselves as The-Tongued-Ones: (ahle-zubaan)
Years passed and then I discovered that even this heritage is now under suspicion and is no longer respectable. The-Tongued-ones are being harrassed by those who are now refusing the get their jaws reset. So I decided to look for opportunities to create another new heritage for my nation`s posterior and my own posterity
I decided to emigrate to the fantasy-land of sex,drugs & faith-freedom
----------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------
and opportunity!
Here I learned that my name a big problem for me & the way I pronounce it is even a bigger problem for the immigration folk. They re-named me Freud, ( apt! I chucked then) entered that in the register, and officially I became Archie Freud . Archie is for Arshad , a name I had always liked and was given that as my `christain` name when the immigration guy, fat beet-red face one, insisted that Arshad was too foreign & a jawlocker for him.
Sixty long years seem now like the blink of an eye! Such a Psychiatric I was that, in serving science & humanism, I became a psycho myself and was committed to the proper places many a times during my shining career & gloomy disposition. Some alluded this to the genius in me and such a price is small for those like me to pay to serve humanity and reassert my Insaanyat in ways other than the mundane kind. I sometimes feel that it is my obssessive cynicism to keep a score on my insaanyat index that blew my brainfuse.
Despite all the laurels and dollars , I was still uneasy with this post-modernistic, humanistic heritage of mine. Hell, the kids, no longer kids by the way, were determined to manufacture their own heritage, as muslim, and were going out of the way to refuse to inherit anything at all from the mounds of Moenjo Dero or the hollows of Harrapaa . This really did me in. I mean with all the heritage that I accumulated and now here my own flesh and blood wanted to disinherit all that!
-------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------
...So When I returned to the area I had left as Chukk 420 I tried to prove & convince the people running the heritage industry, primarily the Jaw-lockers--the Tongued-ones (ahli-Zubaan), but no one was interested anymore.They ahd outslaved me by a single U-turn. They were all trying to become a mirror image of the people from the land of bilk & money.
I learnt that behind my back they sneered at my attempt to speak in the Jawlock-way or the neo-Tongue-Ones way.
They were calling me Dr. Fraud.
#266 Posted by drsohail on April 22, 2008 4:08:46 pm
Re: # 265
dear nature lover...can we talk more outside the chowk forum as i am interested in your description of 'risky behaviour in life'?
sincerely
sohail
dear nature lover...can we talk more outside the chowk forum as i am interested in your description of 'risky behaviour in life'?
sincerely
sohail
#265 Posted by nature_lover on April 22, 2008 2:51:35 pm
Re:# 264
Dear Dr Sohail,
My analysis is based on the information,which I got from the books you wrote or translated, your articles and your interacts.
You may not be even aware of your own risky behaviour in life.
Regards,
Dear Dr Sohail,
My analysis is based on the information,which I got from the books you wrote or translated, your articles and your interacts.
You may not be even aware of your own risky behaviour in life.
Regards,
#264 Posted by drsohail on April 22, 2008 12:23:14 pm
Re: # 263
dear nature lover...i thoroughly enjoyed your free analysis.
you have a creative mind.
i am curious what inspired you to do that...
...smiles..sohail
dear nature lover...i thoroughly enjoyed your free analysis.
you have a creative mind.
i am curious what inspired you to do that...
...smiles..sohail
#263 Posted by nature_lover on April 22, 2008 12:04:27 pm
Brief psycho analysis of author , which we will call "patient" in the following analysis .
Patient was born in a traditional family based Muslim society and due to some tragedies and untreated mental illnesses in his family he suffered from traumas and abuse.
His parent society and his family fed him well , and as he had good memory and rote skills hence he became a medical doctor, which was a highly respected position in that society.
Patient had hidden grudges against that society , and he could not cope with those repressed thoughts of revenge, at his own.
Some how patient came to Canada, and again, due to his memorizing skills and rote abilities he became a psychiatrist.
He started his practice in a small lonely town , near Toronto.
In the beginning he kept his faith in God and did some good jobs for humanity by translating some important stuff of psychology and psychiatry in his native language Urdu.
In the mean time when he saw doolars , alcohol,drugs and other related indulgences, then he got tempted, and decided to go for them.
He also needed escape mechanisms to cope with the harsh and alien realities of the weather and culture of his adopted society.
The only hurdle in his way was his belief in God, hence as a defence mechanism, and to supress his guilt, he denounced his faith publicly.
Due to his delusional disorder, he thought in this way he might become famous and immortal in this world.
Due to brain damage and the bad company he was keeping, he started showing signs of untreated psychosis and he started considering himself as a prophet of the new age.
He grew long hair, and felt grand and declared himself as a great brain of 20th century who was going to finish his parent society through his write ups and dialouges etc..
In the mean time his life and his immediate surroundings showed signs of change, decay and confusion , and as he couldn't face that loss, hence as a second defence mechanism he came up with these generalized statements that the realms of religion, family values and nationalism were decaying.
If patient keep his present habits and his present company then chances of his recovery are minimum.
If patient repents, and forgives his parent society and reconnects to his roots then there are chances of his survival and peace of mind.
Patient can serve his parent society better by continuing translating pure science and psychology subjects, without making futile attempts of destroying the very fabric of faith and family values etc..
Patient was born in a traditional family based Muslim society and due to some tragedies and untreated mental illnesses in his family he suffered from traumas and abuse.
His parent society and his family fed him well , and as he had good memory and rote skills hence he became a medical doctor, which was a highly respected position in that society.
Patient had hidden grudges against that society , and he could not cope with those repressed thoughts of revenge, at his own.
Some how patient came to Canada, and again, due to his memorizing skills and rote abilities he became a psychiatrist.
He started his practice in a small lonely town , near Toronto.
In the beginning he kept his faith in God and did some good jobs for humanity by translating some important stuff of psychology and psychiatry in his native language Urdu.
In the mean time when he saw doolars , alcohol,drugs and other related indulgences, then he got tempted, and decided to go for them.
He also needed escape mechanisms to cope with the harsh and alien realities of the weather and culture of his adopted society.
The only hurdle in his way was his belief in God, hence as a defence mechanism, and to supress his guilt, he denounced his faith publicly.
Due to his delusional disorder, he thought in this way he might become famous and immortal in this world.
Due to brain damage and the bad company he was keeping, he started showing signs of untreated psychosis and he started considering himself as a prophet of the new age.
He grew long hair, and felt grand and declared himself as a great brain of 20th century who was going to finish his parent society through his write ups and dialouges etc..
In the mean time his life and his immediate surroundings showed signs of change, decay and confusion , and as he couldn't face that loss, hence as a second defence mechanism he came up with these generalized statements that the realms of religion, family values and nationalism were decaying.
If patient keep his present habits and his present company then chances of his recovery are minimum.
If patient repents, and forgives his parent society and reconnects to his roots then there are chances of his survival and peace of mind.
Patient can serve his parent society better by continuing translating pure science and psychology subjects, without making futile attempts of destroying the very fabric of faith and family values etc..
#262 Posted by masadi on April 22, 2008 7:46:51 am
Read "My the eyeballs of the peons of the West " as
May the eyeballs of the peons of the West
May the eyeballs of the peons of the West
#261 Posted by masadi on April 22, 2008 7:27:58 am
Further to #260 the word "outgrowing" used by this shrink implies an evolution to a higher plane- let me remind you that abandoning your wives and leaving them as single moms, not paying child support, worshipping at the altars of material goods and their symbols and starting wars garbed in master symbols in a most hypocritical manner does not involve evolution it involves degeneration back to a selfish id ridden existence where selfish interest maximization at the expense of all and sundry involves the human brute and not civilization. This "outgrowing" this shrink is talking about is actually degenration where "freedom" is equated with "just do it" regardless of the consequences for the earth or the fellow. My the eyeballs of the peons of the West like this shrink ROT in their sockets, and may the maggots feast on their dirty flesh while they are living just as in their death."...and that is all I have to say....sobs the whole goddamned lot of them
#260 Posted by masadi on April 21, 2008 9:29:47 pm
The shrink writes "i think humanity is outgrowing them "
What humanity is outgrowing is enslavement to the white man and you are the dirty remnant of the type they reject. Religion is very much alive and kicking, and where it is not, nationalism and its symbols have replaced it as the new civil religion. The symbols of the market itself with its sacred and profane have become akin to religion, a more destructive religion whose priests are ready to destroy the world for their greed. Marriage has been devalued for the same reason due to economic forces where alternatives have warped from it they have harmed women moreso than men following in the broad structure of the capitalist society that liberates women by raping and killing and impoverishing them, segments societies based on race and gender and reward based on gradations of those that best fit withing the elite's worldview and objective appearance...now take your shrinkery and shove it...
What humanity is outgrowing is enslavement to the white man and you are the dirty remnant of the type they reject. Religion is very much alive and kicking, and where it is not, nationalism and its symbols have replaced it as the new civil religion. The symbols of the market itself with its sacred and profane have become akin to religion, a more destructive religion whose priests are ready to destroy the world for their greed. Marriage has been devalued for the same reason due to economic forces where alternatives have warped from it they have harmed women moreso than men following in the broad structure of the capitalist society that liberates women by raping and killing and impoverishing them, segments societies based on race and gender and reward based on gradations of those that best fit withing the elite's worldview and objective appearance...now take your shrinkery and shove it...
#259 Posted by parthaab on April 21, 2008 4:26:35 pm
Re: # 258
" i think modern life is forcing us to review three traditions...
religion
nationalism
marriage"
Agree with you 100% there.
Feminism is a scourge of this century that needs to be studied too.
" i think modern life is forcing us to review three traditions...
religion
nationalism
marriage"
Agree with you 100% there.
Feminism is a scourge of this century that needs to be studied too.
#258 Posted by drsohail on April 21, 2008 10:50:56 am
Re: # 257
dear sattar2...i think modern life is forcing us to review three traditions...
religion
nationalism
marriage
i think humanity is outgrowing them but since we do not have better alternatives yet so we are going through a transition...having a breakdown before we have the breakthrough where we can
cherish spirituality and secular humanism rather than religion
have global village rather than narrow nationalism
and
long term loving relationships rather than marriage in which men and women equally respect and cherish each other.
so alongside socioeconomic changes that you mentioned there are also fundamental philosophical and ideological changes...all over the world....with the rise and fall of capitalism and communism in 20th century we need a new way of thinking in 21st century to grow individually and evolve collectively.
thank you for a genuine dialogue that is becoming an exception....smiles...sohail
dear sattar2...i think modern life is forcing us to review three traditions...
religion
nationalism
marriage
i think humanity is outgrowing them but since we do not have better alternatives yet so we are going through a transition...having a breakdown before we have the breakthrough where we can
cherish spirituality and secular humanism rather than religion
have global village rather than narrow nationalism
and
long term loving relationships rather than marriage in which men and women equally respect and cherish each other.
so alongside socioeconomic changes that you mentioned there are also fundamental philosophical and ideological changes...all over the world....with the rise and fall of capitalism and communism in 20th century we need a new way of thinking in 21st century to grow individually and evolve collectively.
thank you for a genuine dialogue that is becoming an exception....smiles...sohail
#257 Posted by sattar2 on April 21, 2008 10:30:21 am
Dr. Sohail (#199),
Since we are largely in agreement, here are some additional (skeptical) thoughts to round out the discussion:
The institution of marriage itself is on the decline in the USA. Ironically, this decline is more obvious in lower economic classes than in the upper ones. Is marriage becoming a luxury out of the reach of the poor? I don’t think this decline has to do with some newly found sense of liberation, self-identification amongst the poor. It may have to do with financial struggles of an average Joe … which may explain the correlation with one’s economic classification.
Furthermore, it seems that “healthy-eating� and “cooking-at-home� are starting to become elitist activities in the US. It is much cheaper to pick up a “KFC bucket� or “Happy Meals� … than to prepare meals at home. And if one includes the cost of labor … in buying groceries, cooking, cleaning, doing the dishes, etc., it makes even less sense to cook at home. This financial calculus may explain why the poorer people are driven to fast-food chains more than the affluent ones.
As we all know, this cheap and quick food is damaging to one’s health. Ironically, those most likely to suffer these adverse health affects (the poor) are least likely to have the awareness or healthcare to deal with them. And this yet may kick-start a downward spiral for some and their families …
I don’t think people are driven to fast-food out of a sense of liberation from “chores of cooking and cleaning�. Rather, the reasons for this shift are to be found in silent, almost imperceptible socio-economic factors.
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The larger point I am trying to make is that … women desiring to have no children, decline of marriage, rise in fast-food trends … represent harsher side of the socio-economics; the response of an (below?) average Joe or Jane dealing with financial strains and inner anxieties … as they struggle to create the “dream lives� neatly packaged and mass-marketed to them.
Since we are largely in agreement, here are some additional (skeptical) thoughts to round out the discussion:
The institution of marriage itself is on the decline in the USA. Ironically, this decline is more obvious in lower economic classes than in the upper ones. Is marriage becoming a luxury out of the reach of the poor? I don’t think this decline has to do with some newly found sense of liberation, self-identification amongst the poor. It may have to do with financial struggles of an average Joe … which may explain the correlation with one’s economic classification.
Furthermore, it seems that “healthy-eating� and “cooking-at-home� are starting to become elitist activities in the US. It is much cheaper to pick up a “KFC bucket� or “Happy Meals� … than to prepare meals at home. And if one includes the cost of labor … in buying groceries, cooking, cleaning, doing the dishes, etc., it makes even less sense to cook at home. This financial calculus may explain why the poorer people are driven to fast-food chains more than the affluent ones.
As we all know, this cheap and quick food is damaging to one’s health. Ironically, those most likely to suffer these adverse health affects (the poor) are least likely to have the awareness or healthcare to deal with them. And this yet may kick-start a downward spiral for some and their families …
I don’t think people are driven to fast-food out of a sense of liberation from “chores of cooking and cleaning�. Rather, the reasons for this shift are to be found in silent, almost imperceptible socio-economic factors.
+++
The larger point I am trying to make is that … women desiring to have no children, decline of marriage, rise in fast-food trends … represent harsher side of the socio-economics; the response of an (below?) average Joe or Jane dealing with financial strains and inner anxieties … as they struggle to create the “dream lives� neatly packaged and mass-marketed to them.
#256 Posted by sattar2 on April 21, 2008 9:23:46 am
Teshah (#194),
I agree in that … women and men have equally important, but complementary roles. Quran recognizes these differences and defines their roles in a manner that is consistent with their respective biological and psychological profiles.
While Quran gives sons larger share of inheritance (than daughters) and allows men multiple wives, it also places larger financial burden on men’s shoulders. A man is perhaps given the upper hand in decision-making … but will be judged harshly by the Almighty if he fails to deliver to his wife and children in just and equitable manner.
Treatment of women in the same manner as men in every aspect aims to erase deeply-rooted gender differences. Such viewpoints attempt to implement an ill thought-out version of equality, while ignoring larger realities of our existence.
I agree in that … women and men have equally important, but complementary roles. Quran recognizes these differences and defines their roles in a manner that is consistent with their respective biological and psychological profiles.
While Quran gives sons larger share of inheritance (than daughters) and allows men multiple wives, it also places larger financial burden on men’s shoulders. A man is perhaps given the upper hand in decision-making … but will be judged harshly by the Almighty if he fails to deliver to his wife and children in just and equitable manner.
Treatment of women in the same manner as men in every aspect aims to erase deeply-rooted gender differences. Such viewpoints attempt to implement an ill thought-out version of equality, while ignoring larger realities of our existence.
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