Akbar and Alexander

Re: # 7
You are advised to stay holed up in New York and glorify Alexander who died in Babylon (the moral sinkhole of the ancient world) committing every conceivable perversion that befitted his majesty!

--“Do you really believe that they were Sunnis?”
The above quote intrigued me.
There is no comment here on Akbar’s attempt at establishing his Deen-e-Elahi, one presums, to unite his subjects under one religious canopy.
If he was a Sunni--jo soon soonkar Musulman baney—-I think he would have tried to impose an acceptable ‘religion’to all.
What ever else he was, I am sure he was not a Sunni or even Shia but in his own way perhaps a pluralist of the enlightened kind.
But he missed the target by using the Arabic words in his dogma, thus alienating both the good Muslims and the non-Muslims.
Being a Persian speaker had he named his idea, some thing like Raah-e-Khudai, he might have done better, I think.
Rashid

More so than that kul. before the british, Indian has almost 25% of global GDP, but Indians were dirt poor...poorer than 20 years ago on a ppp basis. Indians should thank the british for getting rid of those assholes

“Kul is your perspective tainted by the influence of your better half ....or dislike of sunni indo pak now and in the past.???”

Shah2 Ji, what makes you say that? What exactly did Moghuls do for India, and even for Muslims of India for that matter? Other than taking in all the beautiful women and turning them into concubines for their pleasure? Even the low level Wazirs had dozens of Indian women for their pleasure? Not a single (not one) Moghal princess has ever been known to have a fling with an indigenous Indian. That says a lot about them Moghuls. We should thank the British for sending the Moghals where they belonged. Can you name a single library they left behind? They chopped off the hands of the artisans who built the Taj and the useless gardens all over north India. Says a lot about your Sunni brethren who treated their fellow Muslims, aka aams, like dirt.

It’s greatness of India that it considers them one of their own. In other places, they will be remembered as a piece of shit that they were. Do you really believe that they were Sunnis?

I still don’t get it why do Pakistanis claim as Moghals as theirs? On what friggin grounds? What was so Pakistani about them?

Muslim writers stated quite frequently that they took the game of "shatranj/sh" from the Iranians, who called it "chatrang".

. Chess was only a part of this knowledge, packaged together with earlier mathematical, astronomical, philosophical or medical achievements.


However, we know that while chess flourished in Baghdad in the 9th century, the earliest reliable account of chess-playing in India date only from the 11th century

Good article. Now am declaring war on my neighbor who has been acting quite uppity. Got to bring her down a peg or two.

#12 treetop

[Since you know who you are why dont you accept it.please dont pin your hopes on whites,thier days are numbered.look towards china,or become a muslim. ]

Have you looked at the volume of research going on in the world today? It's increasing every day, and most of it is in the white countries. You arab-bootlickers are WAY behind, and falling behind every day. So don't kid yourself.

It is true that most whites in America are unsuspecting, and are planning to elect a president Hussein, but they will realize their mistake one day, and when they do, there will not be any turning back. They won't be like us Hindus giving Haj subsidies after being killed, raped, everything'ed for a thousand years.

Sometimes I think maybe it's not such a bad idea for Hussein to become president. America will learn a lesson they will never forget. And then maybe there will be a solution.

Re: # 11 ajeya
Since you know who you are why dont you accept it.please dont pin your hopes on whites,thier days are numbered.look towards china,or become a muslim.

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One of the ways to think about these things is the Muslim or Islamic way, where facts are not very important, but glorification of anything to do with Islamic barbarians is a good thing.

The other approach is to look at the facts, and let the chips fall where they may.


Hindu Temples Destroyed

Contrary to popular belief Akbar, continued the policy of Babur and Humayun in the destruction of Hindu temples. It is recorded by Bayazid Biyat, personal attendant of Humayun, that Akbar gave two villages for the upkeep of a mosque and a Madrasa which was setup by destroying a Hindu temple [18]. Akbar's army was responsible for demolition of rich Hindu temples which had gold idols in the Doab region between Ganga and Yamuna [18]. Historian Abd al-Qadir Badauni records that during Akbar's reign at Nagarkot, near Kangra, 200 cows were slaughtered, numerous Hindus killed and a temple was demolished [18].

On the 1st Rajab 990 [AD 1582] Akbar's forces encamped by a field of maize near Nagarkot. The fortress (hissãr) of Bhîm, which has an idol temple of Mahãmãî, and in which none but her servants dwelt, was taken by the valour of the assailants at the first assault. A party of Rajpûts, who had resolved to die, fought most desperately till they were all cut down. A number of Brãhmans who for many years had served the temple, never gave one thought to flight, and were killed. Nearly 200 black cows belonging to Hindûs had, during the struggle, crowded together for shelter in the temple. Some savage Turks, while the arrows and bullets were falling like rain, killed those cows. They then took off their boots and filled them with the blood and cast it upon the roof and walls of the temple [19].

Akbar waged a holy war (Jihad) against Rana Pratap. Abd al-Qadir Badauni who was then one of Akbar's court chaplains or imams, states that he sought an interview with the emperor when the royal troops were marching against Rana Pratap in 1576, begging leave of absence for "the privilege of joining the campaign to soak his Islamic beard in Hindu infidel blood". Akbar was so pleased at the expression of allegiance to his person and to the Islamic idea of Jihad that he bestowed a handful of gold coins on Badaoni as a token of his pleasure.[20]

At first the Emperor said: “Why he has just been appointed one of the Court-Imáms, how can he go?” Naqíb Khán represented that I had a very strong desire to take part in a holy war. So the Emperor sent for me, and asked me: “Are you in earnest?” I answered: “Yes.” Then he said, “For what reason?” I humbly replied: “I have the presumption to desire to dye these black mustachios and beard in infidel blood through loyalty to your Majesty's person:— .....And when I put out my hand towards the couch in order to kiss his foot, he withdrew it; but, just as I was going out of the audience chamber, he called me back, and filling both his hands he presented me with a sum of 56 ashrafí, and bid me farewell.

During the siege of Chittor, 8000 rajputs had remained inside the fort to defend various temples after the cavalry sallied out to meet Akbar's army in the plain below. These 8000 died fighting to the last man in defence of Hindu temples when Akbar's army stormed the fort and attacked the temples. In addition their were 30,000 Hindu peasants inside the fort who were unarmed and massacred in cold blood by Akbar's forces [21]. Historians have succesfully argued that victorious Islamic armies usually gave a choice of conversion to the defeated and on refusal to convert such massacres occured.

The shrine of Moinuddin Chisti in Ajmer was presented brass candlesticks by Akbar which were taken after the destruction of Kalika temple by Akbar during the third siege of Chittor [22]

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Kul is your perspective tainted by the influence of your better half ....or dislike of sunni indo pak now and in the past.???

You may be right one was not as great or equal to other ,but no body is saying there achievement were identical.Alexander is every bodies historical figure ..europe mideast asia
where as Akbar was just 3 rd in line of Moghul who had already established an empie only Akbar to expanded it .

I know you hate as intensely as Arjun /Laddu etc but i dont blame for what has been done to you

Aray Bhai, no need for a DNA test – g’pa brother (Mashuk Chishti) is in charge of dargah in Fatehpur Sikri ; although there’s a problem with power sharing at dargah so the ‘gadi’ is shared between a cousin and our family. This to my understanding is a topi drama from ages – so out of disgust I’m a benevolent Deobandi.

This comparison is nothing more than comparing a donkey with a thoroughbred. There are many cities in the world named after Alexandros and only a few pakoRa shops after the so called Moghal-e-Azam. It’s funny that how an empire was founded on sex, betrayal, more sex, concubines, and music.

Re: # 1 IB
You need to provide a DNA test to prove your claim.

Re: # 2
Who destroyed Presepolis?
Telling lies and making excuses is not the way to get your dignity and confidence back after thousand years of ignomy.I do understand your anguish,and i feel sorry for you.

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