Akbar and Alexander

#40 Ranjit

[Its not surprising that external muslim invaders had genocidal impulses towards indians. Any external invader looks down on the natives to begin with. When the natives rebel against their aggression, that impulse gets magnified even more as the aggressor wants to make an example of them and scare every one else to just follow in line.]

I forgot to add this. Alexander was an external invader. He did not have genocidal impulses. He did not kill Hindu civilians for any reason.

[I have the presumption to desire to dye these black mustachios and beard in infidel blood through loyalty to your Majesty's person]

Also, this is different than your Genghis Khan variety of murder and intimidation. This is religiously sanctioned and glorified butchering of Hindu "infidels" that was accepted, glorified, and rewarded by Akbar, and all the other Musla emperors.

Re: # 17
CreateAlpha...
Indians were dirt poor...

Ans: Not exactly. Today, all political parties condemn caste system and social discrimination. But, if you read any pre-mediaval literature, all caste groups ( professions) used to live happily. There were no social discord (Brahmin's and banias are super rich and other's are poor). Budhdhism was silent revolution.
The problem started quite late; and common people started suffering extreamely during British period. The "Land Owner" class, they had created, were used to milk the poor working class and both have benefitted (British as well as Land Owners). British had never created environment for equitable distribution.
British contribution mostly lies in bringing back education, culture, science & engineering and to some extent discipline ( which was the greatest curse of Islam in India).....

#45 tahir

[Come back with the correct figures and FACTS Islam-hater.]

Yes. Because I am not sure whether it is 700 or 900, therefore it makes Mo a saint instead of a mass murderer...

Don't bang your head too hard on the floor, maybe that's what's causing all this.


[To address the CHOWK editor in this fashion is horrible Ajeya....]

Horrible for whom?

[It is bad taste to speak of your father in such terms Ajeya...]

MY father? Ask your shrink to increase the dosage.

Re: # 41
Eklavya...
Ans: Pakistan and USA for their own survival, will fight with Taliban. India may be spared for the time being. Pakistan is playing like "double crossing bast***" (slang stolen from The Good The Bad and The Ugly- Serrgio Leone.)

Re: # 40
Ranjit...

Even now, it is not surprising to read many indians enjoying the taliban suicide bombings and attacks in pakistan. If the taliban take over pakistan, wouldnt they then eventually attack India?

Ans: Nobody rejoice killing of civilians. The Pakistani administration created this monster, which is killing itself...
If India can sustain more than 15 years of proxy war in Kashmir, India can sustain Taliban also in western front...
Couple of positives for India...
The western states like Punjab, Gujrat, Rajasthan, Jammu region can not breed Islamic terrorism for thin muslim population and BJP govt...Have you forgot how Siv Sena chased away Dawood Ibrahim, Chhota Shakil etc.. from Mumbai?

Re: # 15
Shah...
Completely wrong....(I think you are moslem/liar)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaturanga

Chess is kind of game of war strategy. Middle east never used elephant as part of their armed force. Chess includes elephant as one of the prominant elements (if you know chess...). I wished, middle eastern stupids/barbarians replaced elephant that with camel to make it more believable, that they have invented this game...
According to Ramayana, Ravana was taught Chess by Mandodari (his queen)...

...Mathematical knowledge spread from India to middle-east. Like chess, Kanauj is birthplace of number system...Just check the chronology..Difference will be something around 100 to 200 years (whatever Boudhayana, Aryabhatta, Brahmagupta worked on; similar stuff surfaced in middle-east after 100-200 years by al-xxxx people).
Akber had done nothing, which had positive lasting impression to large section of asia...he had milked the internal differences between Rajputs and Gujjars...
Ashoka and Alexander were kind of similar monarchs...Ashoka after Kalinga war (he had lost large number of his soldiers and killed many soldiers of Nandidev...Ashoka had brought culture of Indo-China and India closer (Burma, Thailand, Laos, Cabmodia, Vietnam, Indonesia) through Budhdhism...Alexander had brought Caucation culture to asia...

Re: # 42
"Muhammad butchered 700 (or is it 900)"

Come back with the correct figures and FACTS Islam-hater.

Re: # 37
"Shut the fcuk up, you pedophile worshipping cretin"

To address the CHOWK editor in this fashion is horrible Ajeya....

Re: # 28
"This may be because they are blinkered in their way of thinking (how else could you hold a pedophile, serial rapist and serial murderer in such high esteem?)"

It is bad taste to speak of your father in such terms Ajeya...

Didn't daddy teach you this?

#40 Ranjit

[Its not surprising that external muslim invaders had genocidal impulses towards indians. Any external invader looks down on the natives to begin with. When the natives rebel against their aggression, that impulse gets magnified even more as the aggressor wants to make an example of them and scare every one else to just follow in line. You compound that mindset with racism against indians and religion on top of that, it is surprising that we didnt see wider massacares than what actually happened.

To be fair to the mughals, they were equally brutal when other muslims or even other mughals rebelled against them. Their culture from central asia was to brutally put down any revolt and construct towers of skulls as a deterrent to anyone else planning a revolt.

The biggest lesson that we Indians can learn from all this is to have unity amongst ourselves and with our neighbors with whom we share a similar way of life. Indians got conquered because of their fragmented caste based society compounded with bitter, petty rivalries among neighboring kings. When Ghaznavi was attacking Raja Jaipal of Kabul, the other indian kings were looking on as spectators or even applauding. Once Ghaznavi was done with the hindushahis he moved on to attack othes. Eventually the entire subcontinent fell that way. Even now, it is not surprising to read many indians enjoying the taliban suicide bombings and attacks in pakistan. If the taliban take over pakistan, wouldnt they then eventually attack India? ]


Ranjit,

I would like to ask you a personal question, if you do not mind. Privacy should not matter, because we are all anonymous here.

Do you have any kind of family connections, or any other kind of personal connections with someone who is Muslim? (I, for example, have several friends who are Muslim - but I am not talking about just friends. I am talking about a closer association)

It may be irrelevant to the topic on hand, but I am curious. I hope you will indulge me.

And by the way, Muhammad butchered 700 (or is it 900?) unarmed civilians, and set the example and tone for his followers. He was not central Asian.

Ranjit, so Pakistanis will protect Indians from Talibanis because Indians and Pakistanis are ek hi ghar ke log ("share a similar way of life"), and unlike Indians, Talibanis are an alien threat to Pakistanis?

Ajeya,

Its not surprising that external muslim invaders had genocidal impulses towards indians. Any external invader looks down on the natives to begin with. When the natives rebel against their aggression, that impulse gets magnified even more as the aggressor wants to make an example of them and scare every one else to just follow in line. You compound that mindset with racism against indians and religion on top of that, it is surprising that we didnt see wider massacares than what actually happened.

To be fair to the mughals, they were equally brutal when other muslims or even other mughals rebelled against them. Their culture from central asia was to brutally put down any revolt and construct towers of skulls as a deterrent to anyone else planning a revolt.

The biggest lesson that we Indians can learn from all this is to have unity amongst ourselves and with our neighbors with whom we share a similar way of life. Indians got conquered because of their fragmented caste based society compounded with bitter, petty rivalries among neighboring kings. When Ghaznavi was attacking Raja Jaipal of Kabul, the other indian kings were looking on as spectators or even applauding. Once Ghaznavi was done with the hindushahis he moved on to attack othes. Eventually the entire subcontinent fell that way. Even now, it is not surprising to read many indians enjoying the taliban suicide bombings and attacks in pakistan. If the taliban take over pakistan, wouldnt they then eventually attack India?

ahmedmadani # various:

Thanks. One always finds new nuggets in your posts.

What did Jews ,Palestinian do .they are in there house fighting intrusion,what did the Moors to deserve spanish inquisition?

Govt are known to manufacture reason too
dont be naive just do little more reading universally besides exclusively

In India specifically the power of Govt was instigator in 84 remeber the 'rijivs justificatio" jab bara per gire ga to dhamak hoga hi "

In Gujrat ,Mumbai ,Hashimpura to name few not only govt machiniray was involved in supporting but in most cases perpetrator are not caught or punished just golgle Tehlka report instead of History.


"I am not supporting any blood thirsty be it Akbar, Amar or Anthony" I repeat
You claim to be so innocent then why the warrior class Rajput is placed only second to Brahmin.
Gandhi had never seen Shiv Sena, Ranvir Sena, Rss Modi ,Tytler to name few to theorise Hindus are meek compared to muslim!! Yea they were and are JUSTICE OF PEACE ??Lol


Define collateral damage ? then You are justifying Naxal ,Ltte killing ,Hiroshima,christian Crusade ,
One mans collateral damage is another mans genocide.The killer shoots the target not making sure no one else is hurt .JUST concentrating on his goal.Every killer is CARPET bomber .
Killersare not trained to be surgeons to make surgical incision.All the rest are butchers only Period...

#34 Shah2

[I dont know if Akbar killed just b/c one was Hindu/innocent civilian.or It is your genious brain making a theory without

proving...]

Yep. I have no proof. All those refernces are just one big joke.


[..either you are blind with rage for whatever reason or fanatic communalist.]

Yes. I'm a fanatic communalist. And Akbar, who rewarded people who wanted to dye their beards with Kafir Hindu blood, is a saint.


["Uncultured, uncivilized barbarian M*****f****** excrement worms had the AUDACITY to kill innocent civilians JUST BECAUSE THEY WERE HINDUS"

How can be unbiasedly prove that no /not even single innocent civilian were not killed in ANY battle including NOT only ASHOKA'S]

Yes, I'm sure some were killed. But that would have been by collateral damage, not people going out to SPECIFICALLY kill civilians because they are of a different religion.


[YOU are are a ridiculous insane theorist like Hitler .

"May 17: U.S. Rep. Jack Murtha accused U.S. Marines Wednesday of killing innocent Iraqi civilians "in cold blood." NBC's Jim Miklaszewski reports from the Pentagon.
Nightly News"]

I don't know the incident you are talking about. I would need references .

[I am not supporting any blood thirsty be it Akbar, Amar or Anthony but kiiling some one of OTHER community is rule not exception Not religous different but within same religion among muslim..Shias /Sunnis and
among Hindus be it sate wise Hindu Killing,lingual .. sikh ONLY b/c they are sikhs?]

I'm not sure if you are talking about riots or not. Riots are different, it is almost like a war or feud between two groups of people. One group avenging the death of innocent civilians committed by another group. Akbars generals were not killing the civilians to avenge for something the civilians had done. They had done nothing. They were just HIndu.

[When ppl. get MAD like you are capable of killing just b/c they are muslims too.]

You are a Muslim. You'd naturally think this way. It is in your blood.

Keep your t[heory to yourself otherwise apply for P.HD in it at Benares Hindu Univ.]

Shut the fcuk up, you pedophile worshipping cretin.


[If you substitue Akbar with Govt sponsored like Hujrat Mumbai or Govt anywhere and opponent being of oposite of power of gov. this happens.Ranbir sena kill Dalits ONLY b/c they are Dalits .Proleteriate kill Bourgiose only b/c they are so.....]

And learn to read and write first, inbred moron.

[Just remember every thing comunalism ,riots, slaughter massacre are all equal oppertunity employer .]

Don't you "Just remember" me, you idiot. Some doctrines are not equal opportunity employers. Like Nazism, Fascism, Communism, Islam etc. Not everything is the same as everything else.

#31 dost_mittar

[That kind of warfare was standard for the mongols. Akbar's non-muslim ancestor, Chengez Khan, followed the same war manual. ]

Dost-Mitter,

Your efforts to resusciate the Islamic tradition is in vain. Your logic is - other people have done similar things - so it has nothing to do with Islam par se. Unfortunately this logic is fatally flawed.

Yes, other monsters have done similar things. Hitler, Pol Pot, Idi Amin, Stalin, Genghis Khan and so on. But for each of these cases, there was a doctrine-related reason, except for Genghis Khan, for whom it was a barbaric tradition. For Hitler it was the Nazi philosophy. For Stalin - his version of Communism. For Pol Pot, his version of Communism.

For Akbar and the other Muslim kings that butchered innocent civilians just because they were Hindus - the reason was Islam.

If I were you, I'd look for another religion to cling to. Although I don't quite get why people need to cling to anything.