Akbar and Alexander

More so than that kul. before the british, Indian has almost 25% of global GDP, but Indians were dirt poor...poorer than 20 years ago on a ppp basis. Indians should thank the british for getting rid of those assholes

--“Do you really believe that they were Sunnis?”
The above quote intrigued me.
There is no comment here on Akbar’s attempt at establishing his Deen-e-Elahi, one presums, to unite his subjects under one religious canopy.
If he was a Sunni--jo soon soonkar Musulman baney—-I think he would have tried to impose an acceptable ‘religion’to all.
What ever else he was, I am sure he was not a Sunni or even Shia but in his own way perhaps a pluralist of the enlightened kind.
But he missed the target by using the Arabic words in his dogma, thus alienating both the good Muslims and the non-Muslims.
Being a Persian speaker had he named his idea, some thing like Raah-e-Khudai, he might have done better, I think.
Rashid

Re: # 7
You are advised to stay holed up in New York and glorify Alexander who died in Babylon (the moral sinkhole of the ancient world) committing every conceivable perversion that befitted his majesty!

Re: # 11
Ajeya,

Have you been bitten by the same king cobra as the other venomous things on CHOWK?

You're worse than some of us who have cooked up the alleged 'right to rule' episode and have not forgiven in over fourteen centuries. You're even worse than the Jews...

Muslims were not the only ones who came to buy property, propose to your distant cousins, and make you submit. First abuse and curse each one of them including the recent colonists.

Re: # 16
Who wronged you in your childhood? Tell me and I will axe him/her/it....

Re: # 16
Thanking the British is a very 'Q' personality trait. Are you 'Q'?

Regards (non-'Q')

Re: # 21; Tahir

Did some one step on your poochhal again today?

Remember, you insult others so be prepared to have the same back!

Now hop along with your poochhal between your legs and do your 'shikayet' to your 'protectors' here; bewakoof na hove te

shah2#15:

I do not know where shatranj originated and don't care. But I find it interesting that while both Hindus and Muslims are the sons of the same soil, Hindus try to give India credit for everything and anything while Muslims would deny India credit for anything except for what the Mughals did. Here is the basis for the two nation theory.

A question for the knowledgeable!

Was Akbar raised as Shia originallly? I am asking this question because Humayun had accepted to become Shia as a condition for accepting the help of Iranians and was probably Shia when Akbar was born. If so, did he become Sunni while under the custodianship of Bairam Khan?

ajeya:

Don't you think that people can change during their lifetime? Didn't Ashok start out as a violent warrior before the battle of Kalinga?

I think that there is a difference between the early Akbar and the latter-day Akbar. As he grew older, he became less and less Muslim and more accomodative to his Hindu subjects. From what I have read, he did abolish jeziya and even banned cow slaughter. He veered from Islam and started his own religion, Din-e-Ilahi, based on elements of both Islam and Hinduism. He alienated the Mullahs who regarded him as an apostate.

Re: # 24 Akber son of Sunni , son of hhamidabai a shia sheltered by hindu rajah gave
birth at bad times .Then improsined/protected by his own uncle who was blinded by his own father was affected by lot of things, also there good reference he was poisoned by his own son.

Illusions are very powerful than truth and illustions are very inspiring than truth. It is said that salmon fish goes from fresh water to salt water and makes final journey for departure to place he was born. Same way millue and ethos engrained in people in childhood gives habit and character and this predetermines destination. It is closed circle only few can break cycle.This things are in humans blood as sexuality they take over and overdrive.

#26 dost_mittar

[Don't you think that people can change during their lifetime? Didn't Ashok start out as a violent warrior before the battle of Kalinga?]

Dost-Mitter,

I have said this many times, no Muslim has ever been able to refute it (because it's irrefutable - not because I am providing any extraordinary logic or fact). But after a gap of a few weeks/months, Muslims say the same thing again. This may be because they are blinkered in their way of thinking (how else could you hold a pedophile, serial rapist and serial murderer in such high esteem?).

Here's hoping this time it will be the last (although I'm afraid Muslims are not going to change in their basis thinking abilities).

Okay. Let me try again.

1) Ashoka killed MILLIONS of SOLDIERS in the battlefield. Soldiers who were fighting his army. He NEVER killed a civilian. Akbar, and all Muslim emperors butchered thousands upon thousands of INNOCENT CIVILIANS.

2) Not only that, the CAUSE that these vile Pedophile worshippers butchered the civilians is important. They killed them JUST BECAUSE THEY WERE KAFIRS, AND KILLING THEM IS A HOLY CALLING, AND THEY WERE AMPLY REWARDED BY EMPERORS FOR THAT, INCLUDING AKBAR.

Uncultured, uncivilized barbarian M*****f****** excrement worms had the AUDACITY to kill innocent civilians JUST BECAUSE THEY WERE HINDUS.

The reason Muslims don't see this difference is because they are Muslims, and they dare not use their brains.


[I think that there is a difference between the early Akbar and the latter-day Akbar. As he grew older, he became less and less Muslim and more accomodative to his Hindu subjects. From what I have read, he did abolish jeziya and even banned cow slaughter. He veered from Islam and started his own religion, Din-e-Ilahi, based on elements of both Islam and Hinduism. He alienated the Mullahs who regarded him as an apostate. ]

I have read that too. And if true, he realized what a poison Islam was, and left it for something better. If that is indeed true, he deserves our forgiveness, because a person who has realized the extent of his sins and is truly repentent, is not the same person any more.

But he ONLY deserves forgiveness. NOT praise. Try murdering a thousand people and then realizing your sins. The law will still hang you.

ajmedmadani:

madani saheb, if Akbar's mother was shia and his father also shia at the time of his birth, then why and how did he become sunny? Because if had not done so, most of the subcontinental muslims would be shia today.

You need a very special kind of chutya power-worshipper to rub himself silly over the exploits of marauding cavemen. This is the kind of idiot who fantasizes about being in the presence of such 'greatness', invents daily life anecdotes about such personas and wonders about the 'paradoxes' he says he has discovered and therefore deserve a write up about them.

Very special kind of chutya...

ajeya#28:

That kind of warfare was standard for the mongols. Akbar's non-muslim ancestor, Chengez Khan, followed the same war manual.

Re: # 29 He was not Shia any time. Wise men do that drama ( as you also wrote about your grandfather story and we all feel sad how situation can make human helpless). to save situation one has to lie.
Iran ruler at that time forced him to wear "shia Cap" ( But he did not change faith/sunny) and painters of ruler painted gaily, they adorn old palace and iranian value. Memory is strange and motivating thing. Old gone empire,its failure ruler and iranians getting bouts of joy in pains and privations of emperor.Situation can make people to chage such things. Most Sikhs along indo pak border who were stranded due to vast land holdings jats had choice to become new followers or go to death and loose lands also they choose life.Today they are following new path and religion.
He officially never changed any thing just to keep inranian ruler in good mood he use to wear shia cap. ( Incidently babur was insulted same way by Iranians and he also did that drama for short time he never forgot the treatment he got).
It is not easy to accept such insult, that is reason people do to humilate others and get evil pleasure. Masses also enjoy such things and keep little things as joy in their hearts. You can see such eveil things in arjun.Whenever he gets chance tries to post surrender pictures unnecessarily. This is addiction of evil doing pleasure.