Akbar and Alexander

#79 treetop

[I am always on the treetop watching insects like you on the ground. ]

Pedophile-worshipping worms watching insects? Hmmmm.... Isn't your time better spent trolling for underage kids?

#80 Shah2

[The only way to talk to you 'A gay A' And nkg(gandu )at your putrid level you rat worshipping rat themselves,penis monkey worshipping dark madrasi heng smelling pea brain retard turd is all code coolie is that you can say for your self ! ]

My my... What language! What would your mothers say!

Mr. Ajey,
You can think what Mr. Ranjit wrote. Here only rational and mature and with wisdom from India are firstly DM followed by Ranjit. He has written correct ,India need to support pakistan ( indirectly without making noise as it will be akward situation for GOP and GOI also). Pakistan is leader of Ummah and if you want good relationship with Ummah the road is through Pakistan. Pakistni Tabliban is on loose and have captured territory and they have following amoung general people. As its hard to have good opinion about corrouption soaked and corrouption dripping all politicians. ( little corrouption is fine if it helps to run nation as then its lubrication, some times I explained difference corrouption and Lubrication). Pakistan is keeping Pakistani Taliban at bay and battling fanatics. The situation is not promising as where it counts , the border areas Talibans control land and army controls air. It will good gesture of India to give kashmir valley with damage compension as then there will good will amoung people of Pakistan. Then only problems of Junagarh, Nizam state ( hyderbad Deccan) can be solved in give and take fashion. Till India does not make neighbour friend it is doomed. We may not be strong but USA and china depend on us to keep India downsized. Whenever you try to climb we can pull ladder and you will fall down and cannot make progress.

Now I have respect for people who have gone to IIT college but most others are just nobodies. Same here only NED and lahore management science dept is great all other is just drama of education. Now even IIT has no value in world. I have only once gone to Foreign country a arab country very rich. They do not give damn to IIT ( it is truth bitter truth ). One arab philosopher professor said correctly " India's problem is always developing country all promise , just hot air". Most valued degree in arab world is Arab graduate from american univ with experience in usa. It does not matter about quality of college. Then european univs, then Egypt univ , then pakistan colleges and then IIT and no value for Gawar colleges from India. Any way I took wrong turn so let me return to main thing.
Talibans are hard nosed people and they have all time of ages and they have good ground feeling as Major Pavo said. Hope he returns and gives good commentary on things. They can just wait and strike at will and if american exit and dollar pipe lins dries taliban will be happy. Then they will come out and start threatening civilised city and urban areas. They do not believe in borders. On non technicality of treaty expiring they want all areas west of Sindhu River. Now you little people think "big" about kashmir and boundary, while durand line of thousand miles id disputed boundary like loc. It is porous and Taliban empire can start Jehadi fire all along and faithful armies can demolish traditional army. When they rule your pipeline gas will be cut and they will put put 3 million Jehadis on India border with oneway ticket to India , how India can manage 3 million Jehadis with light but effective weapons and with atom bomb carrying rockets. This taliban will be mercyless and Chengiz will look moderate. As mr. Ranjit said before punjabi's are pragmatic people and they do not give damn to rulers . They do not care about anything specially fanticism if it is going to get hole in pocket. So I agree with Ranjit india needs to bend little and develop good will . Also in near future as indian population goes up they need food, wheat,milk , oil seeds and only pakistan can provide in sufficient amount and packaged foods. Now all indian construction depends on cement from here. Same way in almost all food categories Pakiustn can be great wheat,and food grains growing region of India beyond Indian borders.Otherway all real pakistani cultured has sunk under weight of Bollywood smuggled imports. Pakistan can supply India cheap energy natural gas from pipelines going from central and arab, Irani lands with big G as staring point for 3000 miles journey to china. Pakistan can supply good refined gas and value added products of great hydrocabon as a worlds largest enery Transmission controllers.
If India wants to help it poor starving citizen then they have to come to pakistan with generous mind and mood. Please note America+ China+ Pakistan axis is quite formidibale which destroyed russia and socialism and India is too weak country and feeble people to withstand pressure from axis based of mutual respect and self interest. Planning to hurt Pakistan is short cut to disaster and destruction of India. Good day.

Re: # 71
Ranjit..

Ans: What I have said is FACT. The caste group was prevalent in most of the contemporary civilisations; not amongst the nomads. To sustain society and make progressive civilisation, you need similar social structure. We call it caste system, others might have used different terms. History says, using this social model, India was able to contribute huge amount in astronomy,mathematics, medical science etc...
Indian kings never felt it necessary to use large section of their population to engage is arms training and martial art. Any mature civilisation will not do that.
Last 50 years, USA is kind of model for modern civilisation; military super power, technology and science super-power. How many % of US population forms the army/navy/airforce? Do every citizen in USA are engaged in arms training? How many countries of UN security council trains their entire population to be ready for combat? Does it create better society within a country?
India is rich of natural resources. Civilisation matured quite early here. So, use of arms was mostly restricted to defend its territory and in some cases to expand their territory. It was not means for sustaining the society.
On the contrary, nomads (Mughals, Pathans etc...), those who have attacked India, were not self sustaining society. Entire clan had to take up arms to loot other's property or settle in India to enjoy the fruit of wealthy state. That is the reason, when Indian kings fought with each other, they have not touched the civilian infrastructure. Whereas, the western nomads destroyed most of the temples and palaces and looted their wealth.
Read the history of Athens and Sparta in ancient Greece. It will provide some insight, how Athens being the centre of excellence in almost all fields, was destroyed several times by Spartans.
India was never a single country before British take over. During Mahabharata, there were 16 countries (Mahajanapadas) in Northern India alone. Apart from that, Narmada/Tapti valley had created host of civilisations. Rajputs were devided into several kingdoms. In Ganga valley Kanauj, Magadh etc... were different kingdoms ( part of 16 mahajanapadas). South of Vindhyas Karnat, Kanchi, Vijaynagar, Kalinga were duferent countries. It is this kind of division, which was reason for external invaders to conquer one by one. When these small kingdoms united under a single big ruler, India was able to defend. Story of Maurya and Nanda empire is proof of that.
Regarding Shivaji, it was necessary for the Marathas at that time to unite and take up arms to kick out moslems. The situation was not that grim, when Rajputs fought external invaders. Muhammed Ghori lost the first battle of Tarain. During the second battle, Ghori attacked at night and poisoned elephants of Prithviraj, Jaichand ( Pritviraj's father in law) helped him in this act of sabotage...
In this age of fast information flow, common people comes to know about a lot of stuff. So, it is easy to bring nationalism etc.. now. How much information people were aware of during 1962 war with China? How many volunteers Indian armed forces have received to fight along with them?
Society is jigshaw puzzle. The smaller the pieces, it produces finer results. But it is easy to destroy also...
Anyhow, I will prefer not to blame caste system as THE reason for India's military downfall...

Re: # 80
Sha..
Scoundrel...was trying to bluff; when caught red handed, started using filthy language...

Re: # 76
Ranjit...

Note that once hindus did get united and pulled together, albeit after conversion to sikhism, they were able to give a very strong answer to aggression. In fact, the sikhs went all the way to Ghazni, plundered the place and brought back the gates of Somnath temple that Ghaznavi had taken there.

Ans: Sikhism was not supposed to promote martial arts. It was the Mughal barbarism, which had prompted Guru Tegh Bahadur to adopt 5 Ks. Nanak had not proposed these 5 Ks.
When you are fighting with barbarians, you may need to be barbarian. But, does that create better society within your country?
Whatever Shivaji & Sikhs had done is like paying back these barbarians with the same coin (like Gujrat and Mumbai riots). But to do so, you divert some of the energy from creative to destructive space. I think, the basic purpose of a society should be to maintain minimum deterrence in military front. Use most of the resources to build better society.
Satyajit Ray directed one movie based on the story written by his grandpa...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goopy_Gyne_Bagha_Byne
If possible, please watch the movie...Halla and Shundi, two different states....

Ahmedmadani sahib,

(It is porous and Taliban empire can start Jehadi fire all along and faithful armies can demolish traditional army.)

But before they come to India, they will come to your beloved Karachi. You may want to think about this.

(Also in near future as indian population goes up they need food, wheat,milk , oil seeds and only pakistan can provide in sufficient amount)

But Pak these days is unable to feed its own people.

Regards

Re: # 83
Ahmed...

Now I have respect for people who have gone to IIT college but most others are just nobodies. Same here only NED and lahore management science dept is great all other is just drama of education. Now even IIT has no value in world. I have only once gone to Foreign country a arab country very rich. They do not give damn to IIT ( it is truth bitter truth ). One arab philosopher professor said correctly " India's problem is always developing country all promise , just hot air". Most valued degree in arab world is Arab graduate from american univ with experience in usa. It does not matter about quality of college. Then european univs, then Egypt univ , then pakistan colleges and then IIT and no value for Gawar colleges from India. Any way I took wrong turn so let me return to main thing.

Ans: Ho ho ho ho.... Arab philosopher!!!...Nice oxymoron; and that will evaluate technical education!!!

http://www.topuniversities.com/worlduniversityrankings/results/2 007/subject_rankings/technology

Search in Google Vyomesh Joshi, Padmashree Warrier, Arun Sarin etc...
Anyhow, why IIT grads will go to Arab for work (apart from money)? Do arabs have anything to do with technology?
In the entire middle east, Israel is the only country, which has better quality technical education than India....
Anyhow, coming back to the goodwill with Pakistan, India should definitely keep good relationship with all the countries. That is the way to increase it's business share...A good relationship with Pakistan will open up market in Pakistan, Iran and central asian states for Indian products (automobile, electrical goods etc...). India can compete with China in these countries. In this respect, India has already provided MFN status to Pakistan...little civilised behavior from Pakistan is expected...

The threat of Taliban should not overwhelm India. India is fighting insurgency in North East and Kashmir for decaded. So, Talibs will add little more on this list of problems, India is facing...
BTW, what prompted you to say USA will force India to comply with Pakistan? It is like threating an elephant with rabies infected dog....
USA is ready to transfer any technology to India to contain China. The Indo-USA neuclear deal and the respective NSG approval of supplying Uranium is not enough for you guys!!!
EADS and Boeing are ready to setup technology centres in Bangalore, if HAL co-operates with them. CPI(M) is opposing it for the sake of China (USA and EU does not sell key defence technology to China for human rights violation)...

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It is so ironic that the only aspect of the cast system that has not survived is the only aspect it originally had: division of labor. Everything that has been added on is still going on.

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Re: Ranjit

Ranjit,

I have given you ample time to respond. You should have responded to me by now. If your furious googling returned no incriminating evidence against Ashoka, you could have posted a message saying "can't find any dirt on Ashoka, still googling" or some such thing.

But you did not. I have been polite to you. You have not reurned the favour. The result, I'm afraid is going to be this. I am going to be on your case on Chowk from now till eternity. Even if you change your name to something else, the intellectual footprint of a dumbed-down JNU-style forebrain would be hard to miss.

And you have only yourself to blame. What a pity!

Ajeya,

As they say in IIT, take a flying f*ck.....so get lost and stay lost.....

#93 Ranjit

[As they say in IIT, take a flying f*ck.....so get lost and stay lost..... ]

Actually they say that EVERYWHERE - it is not something exclusive to IIT. Even if you got in on a quota, you should have known this.

Also remember, anger is a sign of fear or anxiety. You seem to be anxious about how other people perceive you. Why do you care what other people think about you? Just because you got in on a quota does not make you any less of a person. You can still say you are an IITan (if indeed you are). How would other people know that you got in on a quota? Eh?

I think you are worried for nothing.

The interacts have wandered off far away from the basic themes.

Brutal measures were necessary in brutal ancient times. There were few exceptions including Ashoka and Genghis Khan. But these were not plain blood lust but practical policy. Akbar and Alexander were quite kind when they could be but needed to make unforgettable examples to deter any who dared to oppose them. Genghis Khan would butcher the leaders and aristocrats of all the tribes that opposed him so that their leaderless followers were happy to join his ranks where there was the offer of equal spoils and plunder.

Free from the shackles of rigid religions or priests they were all quite flexible in dealing with subject people. Even Timur Lang was not religious in his slaughter of 90,000 at Baghdad or an alleged 80,000 in Delhi because he slaughtered all who opposed his armies and most of the victims were Muslims.

Akbar and Alexander were not original in making defeated rulers as their vassals. This had been very practical policy as they did not have the manpower to rule so many distant or hostile areas. But they were remarkable in that they both made serious efforts to merge with the locals. Persians were as honoured in Alexander's court as Rajput Emirs were honoured in Akbar's. Even Aurangzeb's main generals were Rajputs. He even offered Shivaji the command of 5000 but he refused as he wanted command of 8000 and then rebelled.

The alleged Rajput outrage about the Jodha Akbar film does not concern history about which most people are rather fuzzy but the fact that Rajputs were not forced to serve the Mughals but were very willing to cooperate. No effort was made to convert any of them. This inconvenient truth does not fit Hindutva ideology hence it is not surprising that the protest has been mainly in the BJP ruled states.

Let's stick to the known facts of history without ideological overlays.

Murad

Ajeya,

I dont really care what you think about me. My merit based academic and professional accomplishments would dwarf yours so dont even go there. Its only a lowlife like you who would make casteist attacks on people in today's India. You must be from a older generation or perhaps you are a Bihari to have such fossilized thoughts. I pity you for that. Have a nice day....