In the Name of Allah, the Most Merciful

Re: # 694 Posted by ajeya on April 25, 2008 11:06:21 am

Ajeya,

[Hindu's "bias on birth, caste and color" are none of anybody's business other than Hindus themselves, because it does not affect anybody else.]

You are wrong because it violates the basis of human rights as defined by the UN. Why can't you accept this fact that Hinduism, as practiced today in its current form, is a violation of human rights?

No problem, tahmed ji. :)

ajay, you (and other Hindus, myself included) have move beyond complaining against and decrying the 'evil' called Islam.

The question is - do we have a system of conversions. If yes, then great. If not, create one. Clarify expectations, follow up, and be done with it. That approach will help everybody.

Eklavya #689 {" And these are the people who claim that their religion is the religion of change and adaptation, and not 'blind faith' (that's their dismissive reference to Islam)!! "}

Kaal Bhayya,
We had to come to FP to make some serious dents in this religious classification riddle. LOL. You are so right about rigidity - it's the glue that binds all traditions and extremists in one tightly secured fireball.

If Hindus realize how inflexible and rigid they appear to Muslims in their social customs, if Muslims realized how inflexible and rigid they appear to Hindus in their religious dogmas, you would hear some loud "Eurekas."

iron mask #666 thanks for the explanation of nari and additional light on master nangapir, which helps explain what this self-indulgent idiot was talking about.

i guess johar and to some extent sati were pre-emtive honor-killings. butalias book on partition also narrated very many sikhs peforming such honor killings.

#692 arjun {"paranoid schizo: ...sheesh..you're starting to make zeena look intelligent..even neembu.."}

Arjun Payee,
When I get you that upset that you start name-calling, I know that I am being successful - I have that much respect for your self-restraint. :)

Ajeya #694 {"Hindu's "bias on birth, caste and color" are none of anybody's business other than Hindus themselves, because it does not affect anybody else.

Hinduism doesn't allow or disallow anything. Being a "Hindu" is like being an "American" or a "Chinese" "}

Ajeya,
It becomes MY business when a fellow human being is denied basic rights such as drinking water, walking on the sidewalk, or using public facilities. If Hinduism doesn't allow anything, how come Hindus enforce the caste system with ruthless force, sometimes death of the untouchables? And, worst of all, why do the untouchables accept their horrid treatment at the hands of the caste Hindus? Even having the shadow of a dalit is concerned impure for the "MY SHIT DOESN'T STINK, I AM A BRAHMIN" upper caste.

elavya bhai: i had my doubts abuot nangapir when i saw him referring to himself in the grand style of third person, and now those are confirmed.

that wasnt a trick question, btw. the ignorance was not feigned. :-)

My lack of time to make long posts should not be optimistically interpreted as my lack of logical answers.

#679 Salim_Chauhan

[I have nothing against a person voluntarily joining another organization and gaining acceptance.]

Yes, maybe you don't, but a lot of Muslims with knives and bombs do. Because it is CLEARY against Islamic law, which EXPLICITLY says that a Hindu woman MUST "convert" to Islam. If that does not happen, and the Muslim man "converts" instead, the couple are doomed to lead a life full of risks. So, for the sake of peace, the woman converts. This happens
in the vast majority of cases.


[Hinduism, with its bias based on birth, caste, and color, cannot make the same claim. ]

Hindu's caste system has been used to justify everything from Murder, Rape, looting Hindu temples to imposing the jizya and forced conversions. Hindu's "bias on birth, caste and color" are none of anybody's business other than Hindus themselves, because it does not affect anybody else.

Hinduism doesn't allow or disallow anything. Being a "Hindu" is like being an "American" or a "Chinese" - if you feel that you can culturally identify with Hindu culture, then you are a Hindu. Hindus mostly don't care whether you call yourself "Hindu" or not.

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#686 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on April 25, 2008 10:21:26 am


If we muzzled our "islamofascists" you would scream "suppression of freedom of speech."


paranoid schizo: yup..that's my number one problem with pakis..that they muzzle their islamofascists and deny them freedom of speech..

sheesh..you're starting to make zeena look intelligent..even neembu..

LOL, jang shall be the Sikh leader of our new group - Hindus in Peace (HIP). Don't worry Jang, we won't make you do any work, just sit back, relax, and be the inspiration. :)

ajeya yar, spell the shyte out or shut up...the islami will continue to take your women and men. if you want to hide behing indian constitution, get the MPs to spell out a law, like the pakis did with the hodoo ordanance or the way jaylalita did with the anti-conversion law. see..putting it down in writing makes it simple. unitll then shut up. you can clearly state terms..if a muslim man bags a hindu OBC girl, a mob will kill two muslim goats. if he bags a khatri hindu girl, the mob shall burn the boys house. if man bags a brahmin boy, its gratis...whatever.

can you please spell it out?

salim bhai, I suspect you may be right. One is sometimes absolutely shocked at the total moral rigidity (let's not call that stupidity) of Hindus. And these are the people who claim that their religion is the religion of change and adaptation, and not 'blind faith' (that's their dismissive reference to Islam)!!

So one needs to throw some challenges before them, and test their grand claims.

#688, Kaal Bhayya,
Having agreed on the need for such flexibility, I must state that we are expecting too much from rigid Hindus to be more accepting of outsiders. Hinduism is like a family-owned private business with relatives on top, trusted friends in the middle, and neighbors and braderi type people as workers. Islam is like a multinational corporation with the greed of a pyramid scheme to spread itself everywhere all the time. Christianity and Islam have this much in common and Hinduism and, believe it or not, Judaism (a tribal faith) have their limited membership in common (Jang, no pun intended about limited Hindu membership).

Salim bro, agreed perfectly. A requirement that a Muslim girl or boy must convert into Hinduism assumes that they can. There have to be clear procedures and requirements that can reassure everyone and cannot be reversed without unacceptable losses.

This need not be for all Hindus, but only those who volunteer to join such a group. The rest can maintain their relationships to Muslims as they please.

This CAN be done, and from every moral and humanitarian point of view, should be done. Too much bad blood and loss of innocent lives in the current set up.