In the Name of Allah, the Most Merciful

Azra,

The tyragedy is that you have carefully avaided the legal basis of teh hinour killing and why no one has dared to change the honour killing laws.

Today the pak supreme court has declared that the law which requires only graduates to take part in elections is illegal.

Tell me Azra, why no one has taken the honour killing laws to the supreme court or for taht matter to the sharia court.

Let me give you a clue....the killings have the sanction of the constitution and the book. Now name the book...

We have seen in Pakistan that laws are not easy to change, especially when they are enacted by the US-supported dictators who imported Islam to Pakistan and prescribed the "chaadar aur chaar-divari" pill for women. The weight of chaadar on a woman's head has transformed sexuality into a burden and the walls of chaar-divari have sought to imprison women behind the closed doors in a manner that one step towards overtly expressing sexuality becomes a crime of the highest degree, the one with moral stamp on it.

The classic elitist middle class rich Hand wringing act. What can we do.....bloody it does not effect you at all - in a material sense other than it tarnishes your perceived image amongstthe goras. So you have to put up a show.

Again, this article gives me the cringes......

Re: # 29
Partha
Now the feminists want 'Human Rights' - as Feminists!

What crap!

Ans: The amount of crime committed against women from the mediaval has no limit. The start of human rights should be with empowering woman. We are doomed (Central Asia and South Asia) due this attitude. Check the successful nations and their track record on woman empowerment....

Read Ramayana. Ram had to break Bow of Shiva and compete with other's to marry Sita. The concept of Swyamvara...The result of 33% reservation in village/local body elections had started showing result in India...
http://www.thp.org/reports/indiawom.htm

Azra - you could have tackled Honor killing as any one or more of the following

(a) as a social phenomenon - where men want to have power over "production" of the next generation. This is interesting as there could be a link between the "backward societies" *the words you used in the article), and "advanced soceities", and perhpas the link to soceities which are not stable (internally or externally).
(B) a religious phenomemon:
(c) simple one of human rights - a right to life.

(c) could be related to both (a) and (b).

the choice was yours, but you missed it. And produced this hash for us to consume.

Yeah, it will produce the required number of interacts and clicks - but that is all it will do nithing more nothing less.

Re: # 110
Jayp..
Ans: I am sure, laws are quite OK in India. It is not only in Kerala, but all over India...But the implementation in Kerala and other southern states can not be compared to that of Bihar and UP. If the bride's parents are poor, they easily get away by bribing the police.
Regarding religious sacrifice, I have said the same stuff.(only couple of people take up the job of actual killing. Most of these sacrifice is generally out of fear, people ask from God/Goddess....)...

Re: # 1 Do we as women in essence live in a world where love does not necessarily function/exist for us when it conflicts with familial/societal desires/needs and structures?

that is a tough one, neembu.

man's civilisation depnds on his ability to do two things
(a) control production - i.e next man in line
(b) con women into giving up this control - the con is in the form of lurv.

Re: # 6 A simple answer would be pre-menstrual syndrome which prompts some she-canines to act up from time to time.

jealous are we zeemax ......... wish you could put down your outburst to PMT......tsk tsk tsk

Re: # 96

tahir gets rid of his frontal lobes when he reads these articles. They make their ritual hajj, and send him telepathic messages to stone when they stone the devil. The result are the feeble pebbles this guy throws on FP.

Like zeemax, the drunk, tahir is the stoned of Chowk.

Take them as beyond human comprehension and the world makes sense.

....... let's put things in perspective:

honor killing is primarily a problem in muslim countries, therefore the fault lies in islam

bride burning is primarily a problem in india, therefore the fault lies in hindooism

...... the difference is that whereas the horrible hindoos have admitted that it is wrong and have enacted laws to prevent it, the muslims have failed to admit that it is a problem and a majority of 'good' muslims support it in the name of religion .... just as they support beheading for blasphemy and other barbaric hadood laws ..........

...... therofore, ms azra is right in dragging the moon god into this debate - after all, let's not forget that he started this nonsense by disowning his daughters and depriving women of equality in the pantheon ........

#61 Posted by Azra.Rashid on April 21, 2008 7:16:42 pm


Unfortunately, the Brits did us much harm by their divide and rule policy


unfortunately?? heck no...thank whoever you worship for the brits and jinnah..had it not been for partition, the headlines would all have been
brits of indian descent blow up subways
canadians of indian descent planned to behead the PM
americans of paki descent planned to blow up the metro..

and so on...

#74 Posted by tahmed32 on April 21, 2008 7:56:30 pm


the fact that i have a different view than you does not automatically mean i am an idiot.


OTOH, if he has the same views as you, he's automatically an idiot..and a self-righteous one at that...

To: Anti Cheema Brigade...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/02/27/wt urk27.xml

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/6162959.stm

I don't think it is confined within region (FATA/ UP Bihar). The vicious culture they carry with them, is reason for this kind of crime...Please read the first article carefully...

In my company, HR has adopted new employement policy, where at least 1/4 of each team should be women.
I hope, Indian parliament passed the women reservation bill for State Assemblies and Central Parliament long back...

Re: # 112
Iron Mask...
Love and falling in love - is universal - there is nothing hollywood or bollywood about it.

Ans: Don't mind, I am not providing exact ansswer. Hollywood movies depicts their society. So, elopement and resultant family feud is not depicted in Hollywood movies. Large number of Mumbai movies bring this issues ( not the solution) to forefront.So, we can compare this kind of love story with Mumbai movies.
Now-a-days Mumbai movies barely produce such movies.Indian middle class moved little above.People are bold enough to make movie like "Chini Kum".

Re: # 112
Iron Mask...
Love and falling in love - is universal - there is nothing hollywood or bollywood about it.

Ans: Don't mind, if I am not providing exact ansswer. Hollywood movies depicts their society. So, elopement and resultant family feud is not depicted in Hollywood movies. Large number of Mumbai movies bring this issues ( not the solution) to forefront.So, we can compare this kind of love story with Mumbai movies.
Now-a-days Mumbai movies barely produce such movies.Indian middle class moved little above.People are bold enough to make movie like "Chini Kum".

Re: # 121 hamidm2, interesting you keep talking about the moon-god?

Any idea what this moon god was called in ancient time in middle east?

here is an interesting coin

Hi Dash,

I think his name was "Al-Lah" (the feminine counterpart was "Al-Lat").

Essencially the word Al-Lah means "the God"; i.e., 'the main man' if you will (in arabic).

The monotheists of the time, such as Christians/Jews called him by that name too.