In the Name of Allah, the Most Merciful

#160 Tahir: you mean Taslima Nasreen is against honor killings? That makes her a normal person, does it not?

Re: # 159 athmed32 do you have a financial interest in Chowk, or are you an employee of chowk?

just curious..............

Some piglets whose heads are filled with their own excretion theorise that Allah and al-Lat mean the same thing. READ THIS AND WEEP:

The word Allah, according to several Arabic lexicons, means "the Being Who comprises all the attributes of perfection", i.e. the Being Who is perfect in every way (in His knowledge, power etc.), and possesses the best and the noblest qualities imaginable in the highest degree. This meaning is supported by the Holy Quran when it says:

"His are the best (or most beautiful) names." (17:110; 20:8; and 7:180)

Contrary to popular belief, the word Allah is NOT a contraction of al-ilah (al meaning 'the', and ilah meaning 'god').

Had it been so, then the expression ya Allah ('O Allah!') would have been ungrammatical, because according to the Arabic language when you address someone by the vocative form ya followed by a title, the al ('the') must be dropped from the title. For example, you cannot say ya ar-rabb but must say ya rabb (for 'O Lord'). So if the word Allah was al-ilah ('the God'), we would not be able to say: ya Allah, which we do.

Lane's Arabic-English Lexicon (which is based on classical Arabic dictionaries), says under the word Allah, while citing many linguistical authorities:

"Allah ... is a proper name applied to the Being Who exists necessarily, by Himself, comprising all the attributes of perfection, a proper name denoting the true god ... the al being inseparable from it, not derived..."

Allah is thus a proper name, not derived from anything, and the Al is inseparable from it. The word al-ilah (the god) is a different word.

The word Allah is unique among the names of God in all the languages of mankind, in that it was never applied to any being other than God. The pre-Islamic Arabs used it to refer to the Supreme Being, and never applied it to any of the other things they worshipped. Other names of God used by mankind, such as "lord", "god", "khuda", etc. have all also been used for beings other than God. They have meanings which refer to some particular attribute of God, but "Allah" is the name which refers to the Being Himself as His personal name.

The Holy Quran itself refers to the uniqueness of the name Allah when it says:

"Do you know anyone who can be named along with Him?" (19:65)

Arabic is the only language, and Islam is the only religion, that has given the personal name of God (as distinct from attributive names such as lord, god, the most high, etc.) There are clear prophecies in previous scriptures (the Bible, the Vedas etc.) about the man who will come and give the name of God, which in previous religions was regarded as a secret.

David prophesied:
"Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord" (Psalms 118:26).

This is also repeated in the Gospels (Matt. 21:9, etc.), and was fulfilled by the Holy Prophet Muhammad whose first revelation was "Read in the name of thy Lord" (the Quran, 96:1).

Zechariah prophesied:
"And the Lord shall be king over all the earth, in that day there shall be one Lord, and his name one." (Zech. 14:9)
All Muslims, anywhere on the earth, speaking totally different languages, recognise the name "Allah", thus fulfilling this prophecy, "his name one". (All Christians, to take an example, do not recognise a single name of God, and therefore do not fulfil this prophecy.)

Isaiah prophesied:
"And in that day shall you say, Praise the Lord, call upon His name." (Isaiah 12:4)

So Muslims say repeatedly exactly this: al-hamdu li-llah, and call upon His name Allah.

An objection answered:

The following objection has been raised regarding the name Allah:
Al -'The', lah - 'God'. It means the God. It was one of the gods worshipped by the Arabs. His female equivalent was Allat, al- 'the', Lat 'goddess'. Muhammed's followers did not like the concept of worshipping a female diety.

Answer:
"Allah" was NOT "one of the gods" of the pre-Islamic Arabs, but was recognised by them as the supreme, abstract God. There was no idol which they called "Allah". The Quran quotes the idol-worshippers as presenting the argument that:
"We worship them (i.e. the idols) only so that they may bring us nearer to Allah." (39:3)

Obviously then, "Allah" was not just one of the gods.
It is also entirely wrong to say that Al-Lat was a feminine form of Allah. Besides Allah, the different tribes of the Arabs believed in their tribal gods. "Al-Lat" was the tribal god of the Thaqeef tribe who lived in the city of Taif (where there was a shrine with an idol of Lat). The Quraish worshipped Uzza as their tribal god, and similarly with other tribes.

So it is simply incorrect to say that the Arabs regarded Lat as being a female equivalent of "Allah". "Allah" was, as said above, regarded by them as their supreme God. Lat, Manat etc. were believed in as tribal gods.

Moreover, Lat, Manat and Uzza were believed by them to be daughters of Allah, as the Quran says:

"Have you then considered Lat and Uzza, and the third, Manat? Are the males for you and for Him the females" (53:19-21).

The Quran is here pointing out the contradiction in their beliefs, that they ascribed daughters to Allah, but preferred to have sons themselves! So Lat being believed as a daughter of Allah, could not possibly be regarded by them as the female equivalent of Allah.

In Lane's Arabic-English Lexicon the words ilah (god) and Allah occur under the root A-L-H, but the word Al-lat is given under an entirely different root L-T. Therefore, "Al-lat" is not the feminine form of the word Allah (for in that case it would occur under the same root as for "Allah"), but is derived from a completely different root with a totally different meaning.

The root from which al-lat comes means (among other things) "to moisten". Lane quotes several reports on how the idol came to be so called. It is named after a man called Al-Lat. Sometime before Islam, there was a man who used to give pilgrims a barley meal (known as saweek), moistened with either water or clarified butter. He thus became known as Al-lat. After he died, the rock where he was buried came to be worshipped and was known by his name. And thus there came to be the idol named Al-lat.

Best wishes and season's greetings to all believers....

Re: # 145

tahir mian,

..... the reason i ridicule islam is because i am a muslim, my beloved family is muslim and some of my best friends are muslims ...... i want muslims to be like people of other faiths who can have a good laugh at their silly superstitions without getting their underpants tied up in knots and going on a warpath against infidels and mirzaees (mirzaees dieserve special mention because in our faith they are worse than any run of the mill hindoo or jew)......

..... the problem with you jihadi types is that you cannot take a joke even though you love to ridicule other faiths and are quick to assign infidels to hell and worse ...... for ram's sake, you don't even consider hindooism to be a real religion - i agree that it is kind of weird, but there a billion of these weird people who you cannot disregard since they seem to have cornered the j2ee and dot.net business .......

..... the other day i was at a 'real' muslim's house for dinner - the kind that has that silly made in china masjid aqsa shaped azan clock ...... anyway, right before maghrib prayer he entertained us all by showing the youtube video of jesus in a big diaper singing 'i will surivive' ..... it is funny, but what struck me was the fact that the bearded host with the mark of the devil on his forehead found it hilarious and stopped laughing only when the clock issued the call to prayer ....... i could smell the biryani and so prayed for the mullah's soul even though my knees and ankles were killing me ..... why can't we pray sitting in cushioned pews like civilized folks ?

I've corrected this particular piglet yet again in #163 but he will never be happy or satisfied.

#162: none. i am a chowk volunteer. :-)

Re: # 159
mullah32
As long as islamic apologists like you live, women in islamic country would continue to live like cattle, kept in the herd by the fear for their lives, serving misogynist sexists like you. Only idiots like you continue to see equivalence between "legally sanctioned" murder with "murder". And only absolute retards like you equate, a womans total lack of control over her life/honor through legal murders and rapes, with her right to choice of ending her pregnancy.

#163 Tahir: given that God is all-powerful, controls the sun, not to mention the billion trillion stars, not to mention sparrows and eagles, not to mention the mind of mush and bush - why do you need to defend him all the time? and what is islam if you take God out of it?

So:
"islam khatray maiN hai" = "maulvi khatray maiN hai"

you must disentangle the two, and then when hamidm jokes about the moon-god, you know the moon wont become angry and start throwing moon-rocks on earth.

#167 pandithate dharma: being a volunteer on chowk, i get to chose who i am going to waste time with. and you are not one of them.

Re: # 164 hamidm2 you play golf I heard. Ever tried swinging into a force 10 gale....this is equivalnet, you might as well whistle into the wind....

But tell, was the azan clock used for announcing the food (like they had bells in school to let everyone know that the grub was on the table)...eating is a very serious business more serious then preying for you soul!

Re: # 130
"la ilaha ill allah - was a way of ensuring the querishi god reigned supreme and all others were discarded. An interesting way to introducing monotheism. And it hasbeen both power and attractive."

What non-sense! You are now insulting all believers Muslims, Christians and the Jews!

"No god but Allah" is the core of all messages relayed by the Prophets of God. Allah is pronounced a bit differently in Aramaic language which Isa (peace on him) spoke!

Go back to sleep now Dashed Rot.

Re: # 166 you seem to have become the clickmeister on these threads these days.

Re: # 171 your illogic is there to see - compare what you say here with #163.

thank you for your efforts. now rest in peace while you prey on other souls to feed your hunger.

#172 merely shooting fish in a bucket, my friend. :-)

Re: # 174 its fun isnt it...when you have the fish all in a bucket and you are using a leadshot gun...never now who its hits....

yep, you seem to have the right idea....with the likes of tahir and a few others even a muzzle works

Re: # 170

dash_dot mian,

.... i think this is more like pissing in the wind ..... but i don't mind getting a little wet as long as i can save a few souls ..... after years of hard work i have managed to save tahmed from going over to the dark side with zeemax and tahir mian ..... he is a good man who believes that if you close your eyes the big bad wolf will go away and everything will be hunky dory .....