Feroz Qutabshahi April 21, 2008
#97 Posted by masadi on April 23, 2008 8:40:41 am
He talks about "logic"- just look at one of the many creation myths of Hinduism, gibberish:
FROM THE Rg Veda (10.90)
The Man (Purusha) has a thousand heads, a thousand eyes, a thousand feet. He pervades the earth everywhere and extends beyond for ten fingers' breadth. The Man himself is all this, whatever has been and whatever is to be. He is the lord of immortality and also lord of that which grows on food. Such is his greatness, and the Man is yet greater than this. All creatures make up a quarter of him; three quarters are the immortal in heaven. With three quarters the Man has risen above, and one quarter of him still remains here, whence he spread out everywhere, pervading that which eats and that which does not eat. From him Virj (1) was born, and from Virj came the Man, who, having been born, ranged beyond the earth before and behind. When the gods spread the sacrifice, using the Man as the offering, spring was the clarified butter, summer the fuel, autumn the oblation. They anointed the Man, the sacrifice, born at the beginning, upon the sacred grass. With him the gods, Sdhyas, and sages sacrificed. From that sacrifice in which everything was offered, the clarified butter was obtained, and they made it into those beasts who live in the air, in the forest, and in villages. From that sacrifice in which everything was offered, the verses and the chants were born, the metres were born, and the formulas (2) were born. From it horses were born, and those other animals which have a double set of incisors; cows were born from it, and goats and sheep were born from it.
When they divided the Man, into how many parts did they disperse him? What became of his mouth, what of his arms, what were his two thighs and his two feet called? His mouth was the brahmin, his arms were made into the nobles, his two thighs were the populace, and from his feet the servants (3) were born. The moon was born from his mind; the sun was born from his eye. From his mouth came Indra (4) and Agni, and from his vital breath the wind (Vyu) was born. From his navel the atmosphere was born; from his head the heaven appeared. From his two feet came the earth, and the regions of the sky from his ear. Thus they fashioned the worlds. There were seven, enclosing fire-sticks for him, and thrice seven fire-sticks when the gods, spreading the sacrifice, bound down the Man as the sacrificial beast. With this sacrifice the gods sacrificed; these were the first dharmas. (5) And these powers reached the dome of heaven where dwell the ancient Sdhyas and gods
http://girardianlectionary.net/res/hindu_creation.htm
FROM THE Rg Veda (10.90)
The Man (Purusha) has a thousand heads, a thousand eyes, a thousand feet. He pervades the earth everywhere and extends beyond for ten fingers' breadth. The Man himself is all this, whatever has been and whatever is to be. He is the lord of immortality and also lord of that which grows on food. Such is his greatness, and the Man is yet greater than this. All creatures make up a quarter of him; three quarters are the immortal in heaven. With three quarters the Man has risen above, and one quarter of him still remains here, whence he spread out everywhere, pervading that which eats and that which does not eat. From him Virj (1) was born, and from Virj came the Man, who, having been born, ranged beyond the earth before and behind. When the gods spread the sacrifice, using the Man as the offering, spring was the clarified butter, summer the fuel, autumn the oblation. They anointed the Man, the sacrifice, born at the beginning, upon the sacred grass. With him the gods, Sdhyas, and sages sacrificed. From that sacrifice in which everything was offered, the clarified butter was obtained, and they made it into those beasts who live in the air, in the forest, and in villages. From that sacrifice in which everything was offered, the verses and the chants were born, the metres were born, and the formulas (2) were born. From it horses were born, and those other animals which have a double set of incisors; cows were born from it, and goats and sheep were born from it.
When they divided the Man, into how many parts did they disperse him? What became of his mouth, what of his arms, what were his two thighs and his two feet called? His mouth was the brahmin, his arms were made into the nobles, his two thighs were the populace, and from his feet the servants (3) were born. The moon was born from his mind; the sun was born from his eye. From his mouth came Indra (4) and Agni, and from his vital breath the wind (Vyu) was born. From his navel the atmosphere was born; from his head the heaven appeared. From his two feet came the earth, and the regions of the sky from his ear. Thus they fashioned the worlds. There were seven, enclosing fire-sticks for him, and thrice seven fire-sticks when the gods, spreading the sacrifice, bound down the Man as the sacrificial beast. With this sacrifice the gods sacrificed; these were the first dharmas. (5) And these powers reached the dome of heaven where dwell the ancient Sdhyas and gods
http://girardianlectionary.net/res/hindu_creation.htm
#96 Posted by masadi on April 23, 2008 8:34:26 am
Create Alpha writes "Masadi has never traveled to rajput lands including madhya pradesh, where concepts like jowhar or mass sati was a direct result of islamic barbarity..."
Idiot Sati dates from long before the 7th century and a lot longer before the first Muslims stepped in India. It was a barbaric Hindu practice for whatever reason (and those are debated as well)that was banned by the British and had nothing to do with the Muslims losing power. These are BS nonsense reasons. Whatever you may claim about "Islamic barbarism"- the fact is India at the end of the Muslim era was the most developed on nations, unlike the white man's conquests that left the colonized lands in shambles, in which shape and because of which they continue as they are. If I travel to India today (which you sobs wont give me a visa) all I will be able to confirm would be the shape in which the Brits left you and what your governments have done since then, but on seeing the Taj Mahal I will certainly be able to view the grandeur of the Muslim period, unlike the shit the British did in India... now go F yourself.
Idiot Sati dates from long before the 7th century and a lot longer before the first Muslims stepped in India. It was a barbaric Hindu practice for whatever reason (and those are debated as well)that was banned by the British and had nothing to do with the Muslims losing power. These are BS nonsense reasons. Whatever you may claim about "Islamic barbarism"- the fact is India at the end of the Muslim era was the most developed on nations, unlike the white man's conquests that left the colonized lands in shambles, in which shape and because of which they continue as they are. If I travel to India today (which you sobs wont give me a visa) all I will be able to confirm would be the shape in which the Brits left you and what your governments have done since then, but on seeing the Taj Mahal I will certainly be able to view the grandeur of the Muslim period, unlike the shit the British did in India... now go F yourself.
#95 Posted by masadi on April 23, 2008 8:26:19 am
In #90 if what I say is a little confusing what I mean is:
i) statistical representation compared to their population percent
ii) representation of views compared to the views of the mainstream in their group (an example would be how Obama distanced himself from the comments of his preacher and how to destroy him his opponents used that with great effectiveness).
The few people of color you see in the power structure of the US, in the government, military and corporate top posts, the elite have been forced to incorporate post civil rights movement, just as the Pakistan army is being forced to incorporate the civilian leaders in the power equation at the current time to salvage itself. A good study on this by William Domhoff titled "Diversity in the Power Elite" can be found online and on JStor, he has a book on the same subject..
i) statistical representation compared to their population percent
ii) representation of views compared to the views of the mainstream in their group (an example would be how Obama distanced himself from the comments of his preacher and how to destroy him his opponents used that with great effectiveness).
The few people of color you see in the power structure of the US, in the government, military and corporate top posts, the elite have been forced to incorporate post civil rights movement, just as the Pakistan army is being forced to incorporate the civilian leaders in the power equation at the current time to salvage itself. A good study on this by William Domhoff titled "Diversity in the Power Elite" can be found online and on JStor, he has a book on the same subject..
#94 Posted by CreateAlpha on April 23, 2008 8:24:35 am
Masadi has never traveled to rajput lands including madhya pradesh, where concepts like jowhar or mass sati was a direct result of islamic barbarity. In fact Masadi has never traveled to anywhere outside his little gov't college in lahore or to Kansas. :)
A bedouin culture and relition teaching ratonality to the hindus. hahahahah.. A religion replete with circular ogic talking about rationality and sensibility and superiority..what an idiot.
Islam couldn't take over china either...why? because the eastern faiths have the innate ability to defang the most idiotic of semitic traditions and religions-namely islam. Is it anywonder that most people even now that convert to this superior faith-i,e, islam are educationally deprived.
A bedouin culture and relition teaching ratonality to the hindus. hahahahah.. A religion replete with circular ogic talking about rationality and sensibility and superiority..what an idiot.
Islam couldn't take over china either...why? because the eastern faiths have the innate ability to defang the most idiotic of semitic traditions and religions-namely islam. Is it anywonder that most people even now that convert to this superior faith-i,e, islam are educationally deprived.
#93 Posted by CreateAlpha on April 23, 2008 8:24:27 am
Masadi has never traveled to rajput lands including madhya pradesh, where concepts like jowhar or mass sati was a direct result of islamic barbarity. In fact Masadi has never traveled to anywhere outside his little gov't college in lahore or to Kansas. :)
A bedouin culture and relition teaching ratonality to the hindus. hahahahah.. A religion replete with circular ogic talking about rationality and sensibility and superiority..what an idiot.
Islam couldn't take over china either...why? because the eastern faiths have the innate ability to defang the most idiotic of semitic traditions and religions-namely islam. Is it anywonder that most people even now that convert to this superior faith-i,e, islam are educationally deprived.
A bedouin culture and relition teaching ratonality to the hindus. hahahahah.. A religion replete with circular ogic talking about rationality and sensibility and superiority..what an idiot.
Islam couldn't take over china either...why? because the eastern faiths have the innate ability to defang the most idiotic of semitic traditions and religions-namely islam. Is it anywonder that most people even now that convert to this superior faith-i,e, islam are educationally deprived.
#92 Posted by masadi on April 23, 2008 7:52:41 am
Cobra, those barbaric customs were not "made in India" as something natural, interaction, power struggles and other nonsense defined those. When the Hindus of India adopted Islam they accepted a more rational, sensible, and superior mode of existance rather than the mythology that defined the old way. They did not adopt or defend arab customs except among the fringe as people did on a much larger scale for the British after colonization, the vast majority understood the religion according to their own social environment, and made their own customs except for a handful of basics and in doing that they mixed a lot of Hindu tradition, moreso than Arabic custom with their Islam. Get your facts straight fool....
#91 Posted by masadi on April 23, 2008 7:48:37 am
nkg writes "Read the section on Babur; Ghaji, defender of faith/Islam followed the barbaric, rapist, paediphile Muhammed...."
Not only are you an ignoramus who cannot write a sentence of proper english, you are a historical illiterate as well as a liar. Sati is a barbaric Hindu practice, that cannot be justified as "suicide bombing" as you are trying to do. The Muslim rulers were more benevolent than the Europeans that came to pillage and rape India, does not mean that their conquests were justified like you are justifying colonization- the end of Muslim rule in India saw it richer, more industrially developed and a jewel compared to surrounding nations, the British when they left it left it backward and a nation of railroad squatters. What the British found in Muslim India was what they called the "Jewel in their Crown" of colonies...FACTS not some BS manufactured by so-called Hindu humanists or some GURU bigot who is posing as a historian. Further, if Hindus were forcibly converted or exterminated as you nonsense claims, then at partition their numbers could never have exceeded that of the Muslims of India by the numbers they did. Finally, idiot if some people migrate from Iraq to Pakistan and do not stop in Iran, while others do, is that somehow against the push and pull factors in migration?
Not only are you an ignoramus who cannot write a sentence of proper english, you are a historical illiterate as well as a liar. Sati is a barbaric Hindu practice, that cannot be justified as "suicide bombing" as you are trying to do. The Muslim rulers were more benevolent than the Europeans that came to pillage and rape India, does not mean that their conquests were justified like you are justifying colonization- the end of Muslim rule in India saw it richer, more industrially developed and a jewel compared to surrounding nations, the British when they left it left it backward and a nation of railroad squatters. What the British found in Muslim India was what they called the "Jewel in their Crown" of colonies...FACTS not some BS manufactured by so-called Hindu humanists or some GURU bigot who is posing as a historian. Further, if Hindus were forcibly converted or exterminated as you nonsense claims, then at partition their numbers could never have exceeded that of the Muslims of India by the numbers they did. Finally, idiot if some people migrate from Iraq to Pakistan and do not stop in Iran, while others do, is that somehow against the push and pull factors in migration?
#90 Posted by masadi on April 23, 2008 7:42:59 am
Dost_mittar writes "Already, the US has lost its weight in the global economy and the number of non-white "clones" in the elite class seems to be increasing all the time. "
They might be increasing but they are highly underrepresented as far as population goes and even more underrepresented as far as the view of the disenfranchised group that is made to suffer by double (as statistics go) shows...
They might be increasing but they are highly underrepresented as far as population goes and even more underrepresented as far as the view of the disenfranchised group that is made to suffer by double (as statistics go) shows...
#89 Posted by nkg on April 23, 2008 6:07:10 am
Re: # 79
Masadi...
Widow burning started after the arrival of rapists from middle east...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jauhar; the pre-cursor of Sati...
http://www.geocities.com/hindoo_humanist/mughal.html
Read the section on Babur; Ghaji, defender of faith/Islam followed the barbaric, rapist, paediphile Muhammed....
The attrocities of Babur, described by Guru Nanakdev (don't bring Jewish Conspiracy and western media theory here)
When British and Indians kicked out moslems from power; the custom was withdrawn...(William Bentinck and Rammohan Roy)....
What is that PUSH and PULL for Iraqis settling in Pakistan directly (no settlement in mid way,Iran)? (for Arjun, it is PIA flight)...
Masadi...
Widow burning started after the arrival of rapists from middle east...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jauhar; the pre-cursor of Sati...
http://www.geocities.com/hindoo_humanist/mughal.html
Read the section on Babur; Ghaji, defender of faith/Islam followed the barbaric, rapist, paediphile Muhammed....
The attrocities of Babur, described by Guru Nanakdev (don't bring Jewish Conspiracy and western media theory here)
When British and Indians kicked out moslems from power; the custom was withdrawn...(William Bentinck and Rammohan Roy)....
What is that PUSH and PULL for Iraqis settling in Pakistan directly (no settlement in mid way,Iran)? (for Arjun, it is PIA flight)...
#88 Posted by Cobra on April 23, 2008 5:26:57 am
"Good you clarified that, when the Muslims arrived in India many such "fuck fests" were going on among the Hindus including the "urine drinking" fest and washing yourself in the ganga sewer fest, and the "widow burning fest", as well as the "di** worshipping fest" and so on and so forth "
Difference is those were "our" we did not impose them on Arabia, Turkia or any other "Muslim" country. But our converted (bati huvy?) or hybrid masses have taken the mantle of defending primitive Arab custom upon themselves.
Difference is those were "our" we did not impose them on Arabia, Turkia or any other "Muslim" country. But our converted (bati huvy?) or hybrid masses have taken the mantle of defending primitive Arab custom upon themselves.
#87 Posted by dost_mittar on April 23, 2008 4:21:35 am
masadi:
The US is the most powerful country in the world and, therefore, it is quite natural that its elite would have more global influence than the elite of other countries. But this was not always so and it may not remain so for ever. Already, the US has lost its weight in the global economy and the number of non-white "clones" in the elite class seems to be increasing all the time.
BTW, Walter Reuther's membership had a high proportion of blacks.
The US is the most powerful country in the world and, therefore, it is quite natural that its elite would have more global influence than the elite of other countries. But this was not always so and it may not remain so for ever. Already, the US has lost its weight in the global economy and the number of non-white "clones" in the elite class seems to be increasing all the time.
BTW, Walter Reuther's membership had a high proportion of blacks.
#86 Posted by masadi on April 23, 2008 4:17:52 am
Peon writes "masadi saab, all your books keep repeating the same thing saab"
You haven't read a single book in your life how can you comment on 5? Regarding the medicine, the doctor told you to shove it in your a$$ twice daily and hope for the best- listen to his advice you goddamned idiot....
You haven't read a single book in your life how can you comment on 5? Regarding the medicine, the doctor told you to shove it in your a$$ twice daily and hope for the best- listen to his advice you goddamned idiot....
#84 Posted by masadi on April 23, 2008 4:11:43 am
In #79 read "Migration happens due to pull and push facts it has nothing to do with "window burning"
as
Migration happens due to pull and push factors it has nothing to do with "window burning" which is a Hindu and not a Muslim custom....
as
Migration happens due to pull and push factors it has nothing to do with "window burning" which is a Hindu and not a Muslim custom....
#83 Posted by peonofthewest on April 23, 2008 4:08:47 am
Re: # 82
masadi saab
masadi saab, all your books keep repeating the same thing saab, same as what you say here saab, over and over and over and over.........and over again saab and when i think it is all over saab, it starts all over and over and over............and over...........
teeeeeedious saab
i have the medicine here saab
masadi saab
masadi saab, all your books keep repeating the same thing saab, same as what you say here saab, over and over and over and over.........and over again saab and when i think it is all over saab, it starts all over and over and over............and over...........
teeeeeedious saab
i have the medicine here saab
#82 Posted by masadi on April 23, 2008 3:59:02 am
In #81 read those making 10K have 3 times the mortality of those making more than 2k " as
those making 10K have 3 times the mortality rate of those making more than 25k
those making 10K have 3 times the mortality rate of those making more than 25k
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