Little Pakistan: Brooklyn’s Coney Island Avenue

#134 Posted by Urstruly on April 24, 2008 7:44:02 am


So why the onus is only on Muslims in this kind of environment to assimilate.


When african-americans don't assimilate, you get rap music..

when muslims don't assimilate, you get bombs on subways...

it's more important for muslims to assimilate than any other group....

Re: # 141

Kulharee sahib:

Massaddi Mian lives in that period of Chinese Exclusion Act. That is why, I do not think you want him in CIA-PL. The dreams of young minds there are different.

Re: # 138

Massaddi Mian:

"...It is beyond the comprehension of all rational and logically thinking people..."

Just do not delude yourself that you are in the rational and logical thinking people. You cannot be, you are driven by irrationality and illogic. You are an Antithesis.

Re: # 136

Massaddi Mian:

"....learn something fool ... "

Follow your own advice, so that you can no longer be a fool.

Obviously, you seem to enjoy your mental masturbations (MM), and like to mix issues and words at a speed and pray that it produces the rope trick to impress and score points.

You lack an ability to understand the importance of 3Cs (Command, Control and Communication) in the process of rise and fall of empires. Supply chains of resources had always been local, something sharing of loot with selected locals always assures it.

Islamic empires invented "autonomy" to share the exploits, British in India used it. British had never ruled such a wide and diverse area. Mughals did.

Mughals limited the sharing with the locals in their own way and British it in their own way.

Basics, that when infrastructures for 3Cs weaken, the whole thing weakens, always holds.

Local rebellions weaken the infrastructure. Only a self absorbed mental masturbator would think otherwise.

Mughals found it out; their own men were rebelling and joining the rebels. Can you care to explain how Deccan moved from Sunni Mughals to Shia Nizams?

British found out that besides 3Cs, there is economic disruption that non-cooperation can bring. They can fill the jails, and clog their own system and increase the cost to sustain. It is called upping the ante. Soviets found out the effect of upping the ante. Americans too found it out in Vietnam. Even Pakistanis found it out in what became Bangladesh. You really enjoy your MM.

Please do not confuse this globalization with East India Company. Your nonsense on Globalization comes straight from that period.

For the first time in human history, man-made technology as a force of change ranks with forces of nature. Technology is a massive driver of change and globalization.

Your ilk likes to contain it in your part of the world. You guys can do it that your own peril. Don't blame rest of the world for not participating in your 7th century to Mills par course. This technology driver is squarely outside this par course.

It not, the U.S. elite unleashed globalization.

You are a mis-formed product of Globalization, but great majority are not.

You completely fail to understand that wealth so created cannot be locked away in the vaults of East India Company in London. You are living in the 7th century and Ibn Khaldun, how will you know about it.

Three pillars of economics - capital, labor and markets - that I introduced to you last time. Just look at each of them in this period of Globalization. These pillars can be formed anywhere and can be moved anywhere, many times at the speed of light, or speed of a jet plane. This means faster than swords can be rattled or even bombs can be dropped.

Just to give you an idea. The largest reserves ( = capital) are no longer in the west. Fastest capital formation is happening outside the west. East Asian economies have them. Some of the largest new markets are no longer in the west, Asia has them. Largest cell phone market is China now, and India racing to be the second largest. Some of the largest production ( = labor) basis for both product and services are no longer in the west, Asia has them.

Innovation, quality and efficiency are advantage America and Europe. Both will use it and can use it only in Global environment, because today the globe smaller than that local market of (was it) Mecca that Mohammad took control and used it to redefine and in the process unleashed Islam that you still dream of.

Mohammad too had these three advantages. His competitors lacked his competitive advantage. I can recommend you a book to read Mohammad, one of the finest general of all times.

You will understand it only after you give up your moronic thinking. Your "assibiyeh - social cohesion" being the driver is all nonsense. Only a moronic social thinker on an ego trip will come with arguments based on it.

This game of Globalization has never been played, any strategic thinker will tell you. Advantages have shifted in the past, Islamic Empires lost it, European Empires lost it, there is nothing written in concrete or Allah sanctioned that Americans would not lose it, and China will not gain it. Indians have been known to blow up in smokes in the past and can do it again.

Massaddi Mian, please grow up. This has nothing to do about "Go, F___, yourself".

Masadi Sahib, lately I have been visiting college campuses with my son, and the ethnic mix at colleges (at least on the east coast) is heartwarming. It is representative of the country. Chinese students are getting admissions into elite programs in numbers larger than ever. The other group that stands out is the Indian students. So your contention that China town is some backward ghetto is not true. Some pharmacological labs on the east coast are staffed by only Indians and Chinese scientists.

Majumdar writes "But USSR's example suggests that centralised control only creates the illusion of a stable nation state.."

The state broke apart only after the centralization fell apart.......and the Yankees rushed in to construct military bases

#137, the chinese people are assimilated to the extent of Chinese food, strerotypes and racial slurs regarding them abound in the US, they are segmented into family businesses and segregated as far as neighbourhoods go...the Chinese exclusion Act was how they were excluded historically and if assimilation had happened there wouldnt be exotic china towns to display their exotic culture...

Anil writes "Rig Veda indeed is beyond your dogmatic comprehension..."

It is beyond the comprehension of all rational and logically thinking people, maybe a drugged mind can understand it, I don't want to destroy my mind to understand BS, like Gruff said "Say no to drugs"....and the gibberish of those high on drugs.................

urstruly

What about chinese people? they seem to be well assimilated... in fact, some amount of chinese culture has seeped into american mainstream...

Anil writes "Increase your knowledge on Dynamics on Rise and Fall of Empires..."

You should learn something instead of trying to teach me your own "invented" dynamics after hearing how overstretched the US military is on the mainstream BS media, read Ibn Khaldun on the rise and fall of empires, his was the standard scientific work on it, and the decline is not due to overstretch it is due to weakning assibiyah- or social cohesion of which, because of autonomy, lack of consolidation, none of was achieved by the Mughals, unlike the British and today like the Americans are doing with their corporate culture and globalization to control the decline of their empire....learn something fool ...

anil writes "The question remains, Massaddi Mian, are you ready to give up your dogmas? "

No, the questionn remains " are you so idiotic that you cannot understand the obvious". Unlike the British the Mughals did not consolidate and centralize, when the empire dominates, it overcomes rebellions, otherwise it does not establish in the first place. Neither the mughals nor the British lost their hold on India because of rebellions...

This article was well penned and conveys a very informative reportage.

However, I am little disappointed with this assimilation business. Why the onus is on Muslims? Why can't the majority be also held responsible for assimilation issues. Let me expalin it with three examples:

The first group that should have been assimilated in American cultureand mainstream should have been the Red Indians who have been here logest than any immigrant group (punn intended), but they are far from assimilated. Hell, they live in concentration camps to this day, isolated from larger population valowing in decreptitude, illiteracy, misery.

THe second oldest group of immigrant is that of the Africans (again punn intended) but what we see is that:
- They still have their own langauge that is clearly differentiable even by an outsider.
- they have their own slang
- They have their own music
- They have their own literature
- they have their own movies
- They have their own style of clothing
- they have their own churches
- they have their own confined residential areas.
- they have their own schools, colleges, and universities
and besides all this every one out of ten of them is in jail. As a matter of fact the US prison popultaion is larger than some of the countries in the world. In other words US jails are the biggest African country outside of Africa.

Thirdly, Same goes with the Spanish, who came here first of all.
So why the onus is only on Muslims in this kind of environment to assimilate. Shouldn't assimilation be a two way street?

Yes America is a melting pot, but it is a melting pot of white people. They have melted with each other alright - but colored people....don't say that massadi is angry for nothing.
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Re: # 121

Massaddi Mian:

"... there was regional autonomy and no centralization of control that is why the British found it relatively easy to dominate it..."

For your Naiveté, issue is not autonomy. It is rebelling due to over emphasis of a single religion, and the resources needed to control this rebellion and 3Cs (command, control and communication) with the center. In this period, the first successful guerilla movements were started by Shivaji and Guru Gobind Singh. One escaped right under the nose of the emperor in a mithai ka tokra (factual or not), the other fought in the neighborhood and could not be defeated.

There is a rule for all empires, yes Islamic empires included, that by the time Empires reach their peak, they have over spent and over stretched themselves and therefore start their decline, and eventually decline.

Did you notice that I have used "ALL" in the above? I wanted to be sure, before you start your favorite phrase.

Increase your knowledge on Dynamics on Rise and Fall of Empires. There is nothing religious or irreligous about it. There is nothing dogmatic in it either.

May be you read it, but your mind is so saturated with "Go, F___, yourself" that you could not retain it.

BTW, don't take Rig Veda as anything more than a Travelogue of a group of people. No one has claimed it to be word of Allah or whoever was before Him.

Quite to the contrary, in it you will find a freedom of mind through a question "Is Man the Best Creation of God, or God is the Best Imagination of Man?".

Rig Veda indeed is beyond your dogmatic comprehension. My advice is that you please do not overload your already overloaded mind.

If you must insist, there is also a description of "SOMA" in it, and how it tasted and the feelings it gave upon drinking. It also describes the plant the drink is made from. This plant to this date is called "SOM" in peshawar area and central asia. Recent BBC's 6 part documentary on India-Pakistan sub continent traces writers of Rig Veda to their origin in Central Asia. According to BBC documentary this plant is still found in that area and no where else in India.

The question remains, Massaddi Mian, are you ready to give up your dogmas?

Re: # 110
nkg: and the fool thinks that I was talking about large scale migration of millions from Iraq to India- not to mention that your simplistic explanations are quite pathetic, the one that blames the Muslims for the falling GDP of India until 1992 is especially halarious.

Ans: Stupid,I have already told the core reasons for large scale migration.
You are avoiding your PUSH and PULL reasons (if anything such is there)...


Quran is the most rational, internally consistent rendition the world has seen, you just don't have the brains or the morality to either understand it or do it justice, so shut the F up fool.

Ans: Yes masadi, God has to deliver his message to a arab beduine, when he is alone and through "akash vani"!!!! Yesterday, I have heard "Akash Vani" in Bengali that there is no God other than CPM and muslims are scoundrels.
(Similar to
"Koran-Sura 5:51 "O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people."
I will provide more such "Akash Vani"s/revealitions like this in god's (sorry CPM's) ( not mine. But it will coincide with my convenience). Prophet N**** :-)

Anyhow, my CPM is constructing several more layers of heavens than that of Allah (total 10 layers). Full specification with brochure will be provided next. If you are martyr ("sahid") ( who kills muslims), you will enjoy unlimited pork and 100 Pakistani virgins...For ladies, john abraham like handsome hunks from Punjab and Hariyana with....(upgraded version of Sura 56 of Quoran)...

People of Japan, South and North Americas, Australia need to know the message of God...Had god's messanger told Muhammed how to convey to them?

Re: # 114

Massaddi Mian:

"... Rather they seemed like the babbling of a Baboon gone wild with a crayon..."

Looking at your mental age today, do you understand that 3,500 years ago you probably were a gene in a single cell Amoeba somewhere in the sand of Iraq.

Another point that you may like to hold in your brain that is already overloaded "Go F___, yourself", is that everyone accepts Veda as the FIRST written book, not THE FINAL book.

Would you care to explain for everyone's benefit your understanding of the difference between FIRST and FINAL?

Re: # 124
Majumder...

Masadi sahib,

You are right, Sati preceded Muslim presence in India. But I am not sure it was ever very widely prevalent.

Ans: The "custom" of Sati started with "jauhar". The story of Rani Padmini may provide some insight...

Masadi..
Ans: I was consfused with Kanaki...
To link with sati custom and story of Kannagi, Madhvi and Kovalan is really creative work :-). A traingular love story and resultant loss of lifes (tragedy)...
When people love somebody blindly and fails to bear the loss, commits suicide. It may be son,daughter and husband, wife. May be that much deep bonding and love does not exists in arab beduines and paedophiles. It is common in India...