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Re: # 110
Masadi...
The fall started with islamic invastion...that( the fall) continued upto 1992...

Re: # 118
Masadi...

The origin of Sati is not definitely known, but generally it has been ascribed to the self-immolation of God Shiva's wife, Sati. She, on finding that her husband was not invited by her father, Daksha, for some Yaga, to which he had invited all the other deities, created a fire out of her innate powers and immolated herself in front of the guests.

Sati is of great antiquity but was not favored from ancient times by all legists. All the ancient scriptures disagree with sati and say that one should not die before ones' destined time. Sati was mentioned by Vishnu (100-200 A.D.) as the other alternative for a woman after her husband's death if she is not able to lead a chaste life.

In spite of the disapproval, we find that in the Mahabharatha, that Madri burnt herself on the funeral pyre of her husband. In the sixth century, Sati was practiced in the South as well. In the Tamil literary work Silapathikaram, it is mentioned that Kanaki went with her husband to Madurai. There Kovalan was wrongly accused of stealing one of the anklets of the Queen. The king, without further enquiry ordered the man to be prosecuted.

http://www.indianmirror.com/strange/stindia1.html


Ans: Sati does not mean widow burning. It means noble women ( female of honest).
Sati,(Lord Siva's wife) had nothing to do with Widow burning. She was never widow...


Madri was not burned alive, neither Mahabharata described it as sati. She committed suicide due to some other reason...

One or two instances does not make it custom...The sati, as custom started as "jauhar" amongst Rajputs and spread further...Sati custom is still appears in Rajasthan,MP and Gujrat. The folk tales in these areas will provide you the reason behind such act...


The article by that lady is full of lies.
When ask for circumstancial/material proof, these people back off.
Regarding Tamilnadu, the custom was NEVER practised. Anybody can write article, but should provide statistics and proof...

Regarding "rapist", a 54 year old trying to engage in sexual activity with his daughter-in-law ("Zainab") and a minor girl ("Aisha") is not enough!!!! Do you believe a minor girl will voluntarily engage in such activity with 50+!!!

Re: # 118

masadi saab,

The pakis can quote as mush as they like from the hindu scrioptures, but the fact is that the contry is not ruled by them.

It was freightening to see the new PM, Gillani taking oath and the prime concept is that pakistan will be ruled by the koran AND sharia.

No wonder that the hoodood laws and blasphemy laws etc will never be changed.

Evey law of pakistan and its constitution has to be sharia compliant, no wonder the samia srawrs will continue to get killed in the name of sharia and no prosecution will be carried out because such killings are sharia compliant.

Re: # 112
Majumder...
Falling share of GDP...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_past_GDP_(PPP)

It was lowest 2.xx% of world GDP(PPP)...

Generic decline started around 13th/14th century.

After industrial revolution and awakening in Europe, India (stagnant and declining for centuries) lagged behind europe...

http://ayurveda-foryou.com/archive/charaka.html
http://en.wikipedi a.org/wiki/Charaka
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sushruta_Samhita
http://indian medicine.nic.in/html/ayurveda/ayurveda.htm
The Last URL...Post islamic invastion Madhava had done some work in Kerala. Entire western india (current day Pakistan) and ganga valley had no significant work on medical science...And British Govt. killed it..

Masadi,

due to your constant whining, we have decided to support your application for an American visa.

We promise to facilitate your rehabilitation and subsequent release back into the wild.

Take care and don't bite anyone as it may be contagious.

The US Elite

Masadi sahib,

You are right, Sati preceded Muslim presence in India. But I am not sure it was ever very widely prevalent.

Regards

Masadi sahib,

(An area with diversity of ethnicity and religion needs strong centralized control to keep it intact. I am not talking about good or bad here, for me maximum autonomy for the people is best but nation states cannot be maintained in this manner )

There seems to be two sets of opinions on this. One wud be your opinion and also incidentally that of the INC. The other was the one favoured by ML (although they never lived up to their promise) Difficult to say which one is correct. But USSR's example suggests that centralised control only creates the illusion of a stable nation state.

Regards

Regards

Majumdar, my point in copy pasting Indian sources was to show the idiot that Sati did not originate with the "Muslim" invasion of India, and the copy pastes show that amply enough...

The mughal empire at the heels of the Brit Raj was an empire in name only, there was regional autonomy and no centralization of control that is why the British found it relatively easy to dominate it. An area with diversity of ethnicity and religion needs strong centralized control to keep it intact. I am not talking about good or bad here, for me maximum autonomy for the people is best but nation states cannot be maintained in this manner

Masadi sahib,

(In spite of the disapproval, we find that in the Mahabharatha, that Madri burnt herself on the funeral pyre of her husband. )

Lemme give you the background to this. Pandu had been cursed by a saint that if he shud have sex he wud die. One day when Pandu and Madri were roaming around together they got a bit amorous (like Mr. YRG and Ms. SR) and ended up doing IT forgetting the saint's curse. Poor Pandu died and Madri held herself responsible burning herself. The other wife Kunti did not. Neither did any of the other widows in Mahabharata (eg. Satyavati, Ambika, Ambalika, Dushala, Uttara or any of the other widowed women)

By the way this is not to justify Sati.

Regards

btw nkg don't call people "rapist" when you have no proof and use your hindi gibberist to tell me what the Quran is. I can just as easily claim that your mama is a whore and your father was a a-hole who f'd pigs.

Just two source for this fool

Sati - Brahmin Annihilation of Widows
Chapter 5
Genocide of Women in Hinduism
by
Sita Agarwal

The Aryans, upon their invasion of India ca. 1500 B.C. introduced the horrific custom of sati, ie. the burning of a woman after the death of her husband. When performed singly it is referred to as sati, when performed en masse by all the women and daughters of a town in anticipation of their widowhood (eg. when the men were to fight a battle against all odds), it is known as jauhar. It is sanctioned by their most sacred texts, and was practiced from the fall of the Semito-Dravidian Indus Valley civilization to the modern age.
5.1 SCRIPTURAL ENFORCEMENT
The most sacred of Aryan scriptures are the Vedas, and the Rig Veda, the oldest veda, explicitly sanctions the custom of sati. The following famous `Sati Hymn' of the Rig Veda was (and still is) recited during the actual immolation of the widow [ Kane 199-200 ]: -

Rig Veda X.18.7 : " Let these women, whose husbands are worthy and are living, enter the house with ghee (applied) as corrylium ( to their eyes). Let these wives first step into the pyre, tearless without any affliction and well adorned."

-- [ Rig Veda X.18.7 ] [ Kane 199-200 ]

In recent times some Aryan apologists have arisen who try to prove that this verse does not sanction sati. This concept arises from a mistaken reading of the word agne or agneh , which they believe is agre . This is a wrong interpretation, and other evidence exists that the Aryans definitely practiced Sati from the earliest times. These fabricators distorted the Sati verse which directs the widow to enter the pyre (agneh) so as to mean that the wife was to rise from her pyre and go to the front (agre). These fraud Brahminist historians also wilfully ignore several other citations from scriptures which explicitly allow Sati :

* The Garudapurana favourably mentions the immolation of a widow on the funeral pyre, and states that women of all castes, even the Candalla woman, must perform Sati. The only exceptions allowed by this benevolent author is for pregnant women or those who have young children. If women do not perform sati, then they will be reborn into the lowly body of a woman again and again till they perform Sati. [ Garuda.Purana. II.4.91-100 ] [ Kane 237 ].
* A sati who dies on the funeral pyre of her husband enjoys an eternal bliss in heaven [ Daksa Smrti IV.18-19 ] [ Sm.Samu p.30 ] [ 1200, p.65 ]
* According to Vasishta's Padma-Purana, a woman must, on the death of her husband, allow herself to be burnt alive on the same funeral pyre [ DuB.345 ].
* Yajnavalkya, the most important law-giver after Manu, states that sati is the only way for a chaste widow [ Apastamba.I.87 ] [ 1200, p.65 ]
* The Yogini Tantra enjoins upon Brahmana widows to burn themselves on the funeral pyre of their husbands [ Yog.T. II.303-308 ]. Vaisya and Sudra widows were also allowed to do it. It was prohibited to unchaste women and those having many children. [ 1200, p.67 ]
* The Vyasa Smrti gives one of the two alternatives for a Brahmana widow, ie. either to become a sati or to take up ascetism after her tonsure [ Vyasa Sm. II.53 ] [ Sm.S. p.362 ] [ 1200, p.67 ftn.136 ].

What more can I say about these golden verses from the `Holy' Vedas, the Gita and the Puranas - guidelines for every true Hindu woman ! Needless to say, bigoted Hindu fanatics like Vivekananda, `Mahatma' Gandhi and the Ramakrishna Mission always ignore these verses in order to fool gullible Westerners that Sati does not exist or is the result of some Pakistani ISI conspiracy.

Further, the Vishnusmirti gives only two choices for the widow:

Vishnu Smirti.XXV.14 : "If a woman's husband dies, let her lead a life of chastity, or else mount his pyre"

-- [ Vis.Sm. xxv.14 ] [ Clay.13 ]

Brahma is one of the main Aryan gods, being the creator of the world ( later he was identified as an incarnation of Vishnu ). One of the Puranas is named after him, the Brahma Purana. Like other Puranas, it was composed after the Vedas ( Pandits hold 4000 B.C., Indologists 700 B.C.) This scripture also sanctions sati:

http://www.worldaffairsboard.com/political-discussions/12097-sati-brahm in-annihilation-widows.html


The origin of Sati is not definitely known, but generally it has been ascribed to the self-immolation of God Shiva's wife, Sati. She, on finding that her husband was not invited by her father, Daksha, for some Yaga, to which he had invited all the other deities, created a fire out of her innate powers and immolated herself in front of the guests.

Sati is of great antiquity but was not favored from ancient times by all legists. All the ancient scriptures disagree with sati and say that one should not die before ones' destined time. Sati was mentioned by Vishnu (100-200 A.D.) as the other alternative for a woman after her husband's death if she is not able to lead a chaste life.

In spite of the disapproval, we find that in the Mahabharatha, that Madri burnt herself on the funeral pyre of her husband. In the sixth century, Sati was practiced in the South as well. In the Tamil literary work Silapathikaram, it is mentioned that Kanaki went with her husband to Madurai. There Kovalan was wrongly accused of stealing one of the anklets of the Queen. The king, without further enquiry ordered the man to be prosecuted.

http://www.indianmirror.com/strange/stindia1.html

Masadi sahib,

For much of the Mughal era upto maybe 1700s as well, India's economic indices may well have been among the best in the world. But remember the whole world (the settled part that is) was at a very low level of production and consumption.

But Britain and the rest of the Western Europe was gradually inching upwards. Britain had experienced substantial technological progress and it may interest you that many German states were already at close to 100% literacy by the start of the 1800s whereas India and China were largely stagnating.

Thus European imperialism in Asia/Africa was an almost inevitable outcome of the trajectory that the two (sets of) regions of globe were following.

(Further, the lack of centralization and autonomy granted by them)

I am sorry I could not follow what you were saying here, if you can elucidate please. Are you suggesting that the Mughals were allowing too much centralisation or too little? And was it harmful?

Regards

Re: # 96
Masadi...
Idiot Sati dates from long before the 7th century
...
Ans: Coocked up story again...Any specific proof?
Literature from Pal/Rashtrakuta dynasty never specified this. Neither budhdhist literatues...

....
http://girardianlectionary.net/res/hindu_creation.htm

Ans: Indians believes in continuous improvement. So, initial texts may contain something less closer to truth.
After Vedas, it was Upanishads. In it's current form, Indian culture integrated Budhdhist and Jain philosphy and customs.
Tonsuring ( ritual)- source Bidhdhists.
Monastery (Mutt) concept - source Budhdhists.
Consuming only vegitarian food and practising strict form of ahimsa (not killing even pests and insects)- source Jains

Our belief system is much different from the "akash vani" (words from sky) a mideaval arab rapist claimed to have heard and made it "Final Testament"...

Majumdar writes "If GWB or Mushy were to divert billions of dollars to build the tomb of their dead spouse, you wud call that waste of public money. But I presume you wud have a diff standard for Shah Jehan."

It was not the rightness or wrongness of the building the structure that I was discussing, it was the traces that we find of Indian development in history where an entire blank period exists during the British Raj- that was merely my point not that millions were diverted to build a tomb- you know well what I was getting at. Regarding the mughals I was neither defending their rule nor singing their praises, merely saying with proof that they did not do to India what the Brits did and when their period ended India was considered a jewel in the crown of the Brit empire. Further, the lack of centralization and autonomy granted by them for whatever reason was the main cause of Brit Raj in India.

Anil writes "Are you aware those writers of Riga Veda were humans?"

Rather they seemed like the babbling of a Baboon gone wild with a crayon............fool