Little Pakistan: Brooklyn’s Coney Island Avenue

Masadi sahib,

(btw what if Jayp brings me to India for the purpose of causing a ZAB revolution)

I am not at all surprised that the only chowkie who agrees with you on ZAB style revolution is Jayp sahib. Maybe you can start a Masadi-Jayp-Laddu alliance on chowk now that the Masadi-HP- Ahmedmadani alliance is dead and buried!!!

(nkg and your other bigot friends)

First of all, nkg is just a fellow chowkie, not a friend. And who are these other bigoted friends of mine, if I may know, please?

Regards

Regards

CreateAlpha writes "The result is 10's of millions coming out of poverty every year..."

More BS from a peon of the West who was touting that humanity is happier now than in any time past. Fool, India's real poverty situation is not much better than in earlier decades and fast getting worse if socialist, non neo-liberal policies do not take care of the food issue

nkg idiots like you who see what is going on and deliberately ignore it to soothe your quite explicit bigotry are not worth my time. You need to be horsewhipped and thrown out of India, and learn the meaning of disproportion, large numbers have nothing to do with it, it is compared to population percent, and the ones that are most integrated are the ones who are white Jews or non-Jews doesn't matter...

Re: # 203
Masadi...
Same stupid rhetorics..."Americans are egnaging Paki leaders.." So what kind of animal do you think you are, that, your LEADERs can be egnaged by a country far away from the land you live and your land of God (and arab beduines)? ...and you blame US. Neither you nor your LEADERs. Have US attacked your land and put them in Cuba jail? Have USA extracted anything from Pakiland without paying money? How much grant/aid Pakistan receives from US?


Do you know what this "intra-group" means? Barbaric arab slaves (like you) are not part of human group in this 4000 year old civilisation. For couple of centuries, India ditoriated. That does not make arab slaves at par with indians. So, throw this "intra-group" theory in dust bin. To be world citizen, be a good citizen of your mother land (first and foremost). Make that place clean from arab slavery and oh yes, first get rid of that mediaval barbarism out of your head. Buring Danish flags does not make a person "WORLD CITIZEN". It needs something else.
Better claim to be part of Humma( or Ummah?)....
" I am talking about race/national origin based disparities where disproportion is found in menial jobs based on race and national origin..."
So, that proves that US society is unfair!!!! Large number of indians and jews are quite successful in US and UK. Those who have no ability and skill to do better work, had to be satisfied with menial work. Do you expect madressah educated students of Pakiland to be admitted in MIT post grad course, without admission test (GRE etc.)?
(Madressah teaches quoran. quoran is word of god.quoran is science. so madressah students are scientists...this kind of logic may not apply outside Pakistan and arabic countries...)...
Those who talk about steriotyping, it is basically stastical data, that influence any animal....

Nkg writes "You don't have a clue, the very vast majority do relatively menial work.."

Idiot, best keep your mouth shut when you dont have a clue. I am talking about race/national origin based disparities where disproportion is found in menial jobs based on race and national origin...

majumdar writes "Please free to horse-whip any Paki and throw them out of Pakistan just 'cos they don't agree with your POV. Kindly refrain from suggesting what is to be done to Nkg and other Indians..."

Why, are you his mama? Read my recommendation carefully, the 'throwing out' had nothing to do with POV, but with intra-group bigotry and violence. Indeed such people should be thrown out, and you should be thrown out of India for acting as their mama....

nkg writes "...who is stopping you guys from doing that?

The Americans who have us busy fighting their wars, overthrowing our political leaders, helping the military and ensuring policies that keep us dependant on them. Now shut up and go climb a goddamned pole you miserable bigot..

majumdar writes "India is not your country after all."

The whole goddamned world is my country and I will recommend throwing out whomsoever I choose to, and those who promote in-group fighting to distract from bigger issues and butcher innocents should be thrown off this planet, that goes for nkg and your other bigot friends.....btw what if Jayp brings me to India for the purpose of causing a ZAB revolution, will you burn yourself on a pyre in protest?

Masadi...

multiple millions where they killed over a million by manufactured famines drove India back a century

Ans: Who is manufacturing hunger in Pakistan and Bangladesh? After 60 years of freedom from West, you should have applied your mughal era skills to eradicate illiteracy and poverty...who is stopping you guys from doing that?

Masadi sahib,

{{{people like you worship their oppressors based on intra-group bigotry, you should be horse whipped and thrown out of India}}}

Please free to horse-whip any Paki and throw them out of Pakistan just 'cos they don't agree with your POV. Kindly refrain from suggesting what is to be done to Nkg and other Indians. India is not your country after all.

Regards

Re: # 195
Masadi...

You don't have a clue, the very vast majority do relatively menial work

Ans: Vast quantity!!! A large nation like USA, majority of the people will do menial work. Do you expect everybody will be University professor?
What is the national average and the migrant Indian average? Jews and Indians have empowered then in USA and UK.
May be you are looking from a Pakistani Taxi driver's angle and that is your skewed view.

British & Mughals...
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The technological/scientific/social progress europe was making during 17th,18th and 19th & 20th century, India was no comparison to that. The dominance India had in these fields, lost long back due to islamic barbarism ( mercenaries like Ghaji Babur were main agents of islam and destruction of India). When Brits were working on steam engine, eletro magnetic effect, gravity, atomic theory etc...we were stuck up to the level of bullock cart and tonga for thousands of years. A country which porduced http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bh%C4%81skara_II
had to learn mathematics from outsiders!!! Very same people, who were master in metallurgy, had to make way for British technology (blast furnace)...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_pillar_of_Delhi

Educating a few thoughsand in a population of multiple millions where they killed over a million by manufactured famines drove India back a century

Ans: Idiot, India was falling for last 600 years (not able to maintain its own standard; forget progress). Moslems had already killed the cream of the society and tried to replicate their home land (islamic barbarism).In science, literature etc., there was absolute free fall...
India had nothing to offer than material and labour after 1857. British have exploited that. If India had better skill,technology and knowledge, Brits had to adopt it. But that was not the situation.

The quality of writing of Kalidasa is almost similar to that of Shakespeare. While British got Shakespeare, Indians, under the urdoo barbarians, were learning arabic/persian trash or writing Allah-upanishad!!!! A country, which had produced epics like Ramayana and Mahabharata 2500 years back, had to formulate new grammar book with the help of Brits!!!! That was the amount of degeneration....

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British were not using technology, knowledge, art and literature,which was India's main area of dominance. We had lost that long back. A already bruished and de-civilised population had nothing to loose than its survival as animal (food and cloth). Brits might have hit there little more...

Drove India back a century? hahahahah idiot, India was already back a century. controlling 25% of global trade made for lavish gardens and bejweled thrones and palaces for the mughals...and the kings. Indians were poor as they were under the british and and as they were under the socialist policies of Nehru. It wasn;t until wo sardars and a southie did away with centuries of heavy handed gov't meddling. The result is 10's of millions coming out of poverty every year.

the wannabes write "When you ask someone to go and F__ yourself, are you displaying your "gutter" origins?

no, just talking to the gutter dwellers in the famouly known terminology that they understand. You made up a whole new terminology involving F...ing, that is why you must be from the gutters, it was new to me and unfamiliar to the common run of the mill gutter dweller, so therefore you must belong to the notorious Bombay gutters, a-hole...

Re: # 196

Masadi you wrote:no US elite would display this kind of "from the gutters of bombay" mentality that this wannabe is displaying.)

What the heck is Bombay?

Where the heck is your pathetic little country?

I take it no F__ing went on as usual.

No need to take it out on someone else if you are not getting any! By the way, have you ever had any? We have only yesterday, and it is all over this joint.

When you ask someone to go and F__ yourself, are you displaying your "gutter" origins?

Answer carefully. We have nothing to loose, you might!

Regards.

The US Elite

The wannabes write "How was your F__ing session last night with yourself?"

One thing is for damn sure, no US elite would display this kind of "from the gutters of bombay" mentality that this wannabe is displaying. HP set him right, and now by his comments he has F'd himself..............damn fool

nkg writes "It is not menial work...:

You don't have a clue, the very vast majority do relatively menial work, like your previous posts on the issue you merely repeat propaganda without a clue about the issue

Nkg writes "Mughals had nothing to offer in that sense"

Educating a few thoughsand in a population of multiple millions where they killed over a million by manufactured famines drove India back a century, and reduced it to a nation of railroad squatters and due to those few thousand left a legacy of peonship to the West is no achievement. Regarding the Mughals, their period, unlike the British saw India at the top of the world, regardless of whether they had anything to do with it or not, but their lack of doing anything was a greater "doing" to benefit India than its rape by the British whom you support as their chaprasee, fool. Get an education and then we will talk about the issues, in the meantime don't waste my precious time

nkg writes "It is not menial work...:

You don't have a clue, the very vast majority do relatively menial work, like your previous posts on the issue you merely repeat propaganda without a clue about the issue

Nkg writes "Mughals had nothing to offer in that sense"

Educating a few thoughsand in a population of multiple millions where they killed over a million by manufactured famines drove India back a century, and reduced it to a nation of railroad squatters and due to those few thousand left a legacy of peonship to the West is no achievement. Regarding the Mughals, their period, unlike the British saw India at the top of the world, regardless of whether they had anything to do with it or not, but their lack of doing anything was a greater "doing" to benefit India than its rape by the British whom you support as their chaprasee, fool. Get an education and then we will talk about the issues, in the meantime don't waste my precious time

Re: # 186
Migration...

Ans: Europe had brought the labours from their ex-colonies for menial work. That is no true for USA. Doctors, engineers, scientists from India and China settle in USA after receiving better higher education in USA. It is not menial work...
Regarding Canada, I can not comment now...


"they wouldn't have even lasted as long as the Mughals did, people like you worship their oppressors based on intra-group bigotry,.."

Ans: Whether they would have lasted more or not, there is no point commenting about it. British had left India (Mountbatten handed over power to Nehru)
Mughals were kicked by Sikhs, Marathas and then EIC...

Intra-group bigotry !!! You think that way. I don't think Indians think that way...

"you should be horse whipped and thrown out of India, so you can spend the rest of your life being the white man's chaprasee..."

Ans:
Scoundrel, you arab slaves/half camels will decide what should Indians do? Ultimate audacity...

Re: # 187
Masadi...
The British Raj in India didn't last very long before they were forced to incorporate changes like the inception of the Indian National Congress regarding grievances and civil issues..

Ans: Masadi you are repeating the same words without reasoning and ignoring the historical facts.

INC was the result of British education. INC was formed mostly by the people eduated in UK/Britain. British society, their administrative system and governance was much better than the way British Govt. was functioning in India. It was to bring parity between both the systems.
If two territories are ruled by same Govt., why not treat two with parity? Britain was way ahead of India in all terms (education, art & culture, engineering and industry).
Oxford , Cambridge and Manchester was famous for education. Eton, Harrow for middle education,
Manchester and Sheffield for their industrial contribution.
Couple of luminaries from Britain during that period - James Watt, William Shakespeare, Isac Newton, Michael Faraday, John Dalton....

The meaning of freedom, democracy etc... was re-infused into Indian society by these British educated people.
New social order was brough by British Govt. That was the reason for it's downfall.

Coming to the Mughals

Mughals had nothing to offer in that sense. They were barbarians/looters and become little civilised after coming to India. The transformation from Ghaji Babur to Akber (little less islamic) had taken 3 generations. What was the civil structure of their own country (agriculture, industry,art & culture,literature, science)? Nothing notable. Babur was from Samarkhand. What could have contributed towards Indian society (apart from being breeding ground of looters/barbarians to plunder India)?

Re: # 190

Masadi,

How was your F__ing session last night with yourself?
Did your new mating partner join in?

Regards.

The US Elite

nkg writes "How they manage diversity?"

Yes for centuries they coexisted as minorities even though they dominated an area and only slowly out of free volition that those majorities blend into the minorities or were part of a conspiracy to throw them out even though they tolerated them, such an example cannot be found in European settler areas when the indigeneous populations were wiped out and diversity (AAs) only tolerated as slaves for their labor, much like how they tolerate immigrants today by creating seperate countries with borders and (police) visas inside their country to seperate the white man from the coloreds....you are a a-hole and a bigot who is quite ignorant of the global system, of his own society and of how the white man has operated post industrial revolution, while before that he was grovelling in his sh**

and when he wakes up at dawn recommend for him the Fajr prayer

Kulharee writes "woke up every morning religiously at 4.00am to catch 5.45 train from Penn Station to Philly, to go watch the Penn Relays (he came back past midnight every day – for the love of the game!!!!)."

Like father like son, wasting his life with distraction and play, all the while not realizing how the system is trapping them to a life of meaningless enslavement both in work and in leisure...Uncle masadi can teach him some "facts of life"- introduce him to chowk where his father makes one pathetic post after another....

nkg writes "Mughals lost their control before British took over the administration...."

Why they lost control is because of the reasons I mentioned, reasons that the British because of their barbaric nature and racial exclusivity avoided. The British Raj in India didn't last very long before they were forced to incorporate changes like the inception of the Indian National Congress regarding grievances and civil issues, which tells me that they wouldn't have even lasted as long as the Mughals did, people like you worship their oppressors based on intra-group bigotry, you should be horse whipped and thrown out of India, so you can spend the rest of your life being the white man's chaprasee...

nkg writes "why people all over the world is hell bent on migrating into that country?..."

Because of cultural domination of the US which is a factor of global domination, of resources and wealth. The image that the slaves carry of the "promised land" turns sour the moment they land there. That said only a select percent have either the resources or the desire to migrate to the US, this image of the "Third World" waiting with bags packed to rush to the US is a bunch of BS. The US "accepts" them only because it has clear mechanisms to fit them into the lowest rung of an hierarchical society, segregate them into third world ghettos, and as long as they don't question their position and status and do not wander into white only areas they leave them alone because the latent function they serve of stimulating growth and consumption to keep the US afloat while the rest of the developed countries stagnate comparatively ensures the maintainence of global US domination. Further most settling immigrants have communities and networks, based on nationality and are not "welcomed" as such by the host country, and unlike the European migrants that forced themselves on the land and got rid of the indigeneous population or colonized them, these migrants most fill menial positions within the US hierarchy of oppression. The country with the highest per capital immigration rate is not USA, it is Canada, and regarding the economically active migrants, only half are found in the US,Europe and Russia, the rest (half) are distributed around Asia, Africa and the rest of the colored countries. The US also has one of the highest out-migration (emigration) rates in the world, because the economic migrants from Mexico, who are returning to the part of the country that was illegally taken from them, keep returing home after a while, as do the other older migrants. Regarding your other allegations they are based only on speculation...

Re: # 135
Masadi...

Mughals lost their control before British took over the administration....Rise of sikhs in north and marathas in west was due to the direct rebellion against mughal rule; specially aurangzeb. Jijjiya, sharia,forced conversion and rampant killings, destruction of temples at Kashi etc...issues (islamic barbarism) reached at its peak around late 16th century and early 17th century. Several clans of Rajputs used to support mughals to suppress their rival brothers. Rajputs united and stopped supporting mughals( starting with 17th century)...EIC fought several battles to take control of India...
British had left India in different circumstance. They had to leave for political events, external to India (WWII and UN formation etc...)...British Govt. relinquished its power (handed over) to India...

Masadi...
...if US society is unfair to immigrants; why people all over the world is hell bent on migrating into that country?...name another country, which had accepted large immigrat population and still the society is not goin through turmoil?

Your point is -
Indian and Chinese students, paying high fees fill the US univs. 2nd and 3rd generation chinese & indians in USA r not doing well...
If that would have been the true, why so many indian and chinese settle in USA after completing their study? I have never heard that people have to leave USA unable to handle racism related problem...

http://www.bose.com/controller?event=VIEW_STATIC_PAGE_EVENT&ur l=/about/history/index.jsp

If you want to live like a sixth century arab with your camels, beard, several wives etc. (http://www.chowk.com/interacts/13906/1/0/24#371732 Interact 89 - Most revered person in Pakistan....), then it is impossible to avoid taunts everywhere. Durning my first year, one CS fellow used to get kicked regularly while offering islamic prayer (During evening, he will put a blanket on the floor and will start the bizzare arabic custom. Just when he used to raise his ass to higher hight than his head, seniors used to kick his ass).

Have you analyzed your own (muslim) societies? How they manage diversity?

#177 Posted by masadi on April 27, 2008 11:12:53 am

mother, apple pie and lulu.com...

Haha Masadi, you are losing it. My kid, a high school senior, for the last four days woke up every morning religiously at 4.00am to catch 5.45 train from Penn Station to Philly, to go watch the Penn Relays (he came back past midnight every day – for the love of the game!!!!). He competed yesterday there with his team in 4x400 (and DMR), they were outclassed, even though they are ranked in NYC, but that’s beside the point. My kids, and millions others are not chasing American dreams (because they are the standard bearer of one). It’s the losers who have nothing to show for that are looking for excuses for their own failures and that conveniently blame others for their own misery.

Masadi you asked me to teach my kids the “truth”? They can teach you a thing or two, though it may not be possible in your case.

they sold out the nation and their own souls

one more thing before I retire for the night

ahmedmadani writes "it is sad they forget ladder which helped them to reach usa..."

Madani sahib most of them are sellouts, the likes of tahmed, they sold out the nation so little wonder that they would deceive their teacher. Your word "ladder" suggests that they are going to some higher plane, I beg to differ, they don't step on a ladder to reach the USA, they descend into the gutter using a rope, and many hang themselves with the same rope. They descend into the abyss and not reach a higher plane.....g'night

g'night

Quite productive posts today I think? Thank you Hamid for that provocation, might have helped quite a few run away from the farcial "dream"

in #177 read "and if their publication filters cannot filter the material "fit for consumption" of the drugged folk and you seek an alternative route, they ridicule you..... '

as

and if their publication filters filter the material "fit for consumption" (according to their status quo and sale criteria) of the drugged folk and you seek an alternative route to share the information because they wont let your through, they ridicule you.....

Arjun writes "the american dream is to study a completely useless subject like social sciences and get self-published on lulu.com....."

That is exactly how this motivational therapy works, if you study a subject that reveals the "real world" and not the matrix they term it "useless" and if their publication filters cannot filter the material "fit for consumption" of the drugged folk and you seek an alternative route, they ridicule you.....

the american dream is to study a completely useless subject like social sciences and get self-published on lulu.com...

Note this you ex-pats who might one day return back home, cure your addictions before you return:

From the previous post:

that is why people returning home to work in our countries even when they are paid relatively higher wages and have greater benefits don't feel fulfilled because that motivation opium, the drug of the "dream" has been taken away....

Treetop asks hamid "What is american dream,can you elaborate? "

The "American Dream" is part of the perpetual mythology of the workman ethic for the purpose of motivation that is pushed from on high to the US working class promising them a lifestyle that most in the US cannot attain because it is a moving target the lowest rung of which is beyond the attainment of the vast majority in the US, and justifying for the sake of status quo that the disparities they see in wealth and lifestyle are only because those that have more "worked for it" and if they similarly work they will attain similar riches.

This keeps the peace, lays blame for failure not on the system that is producing deprivation and disparity in wealth and consumption, but on the individual, his wrong decisions, his not having "the right stuff" or not working hard enough. The concentrated US corprate media has made certian that this motivation for perpetually chasing a dream to keep the machinery of capital going is pushed like opium and people have become completely hooked to it- that is why people returning home to work in our countries even when they are paid relatively higher wages and have greater benefits don't feel fulfilled because that motivation opium, the drug of the "dream" has been taken away....

medieval controls are employed

Re: # 168 hamidm2
What is american dream,can you elaborate?

Kulharee give it up, instead of deliberately masking facts to follow your BS "bong-high" image of USA, teach your kid the truth- i.e. the white man will do his best to keep him subordinate, when he circumvents the institutional hurdles put in front of him- if he does it and only a very select few do, then they will stop him explicitly using force- where the impersonal traps fail (and they seldom do) then the medieval control are employed- this aspect of the US also tells us how little freedom is left in that country. In the past and in "free" societies, when the powers that be try to stop someone they don't have the impersonal institutional traps- ones that trap the very vast majority- to fall back on so they employ the medieval traps (of physical violence) first, the type that by its nature cannot reach the majority because of shortage of control resources- not only is the control more complete in the so-called advanced societies because of such implicit traps, it gives the illusion of politeness and freedom just because when the explicit control is employed it is very limited if at all because the auto system works quite well and quite politiely- don't you note how hamid yelps that the African American young men, a third of whom are in jail or have been through it have only themselves to blame?

In #169 read "Let us get one thing straight, those working hard and not "living" the American dream as

Let us get one thing straight, those working hard are not "living" the American dream

hamid writes " stop spewing nonsense to discourage other people are willing to work hard to live the american dream ....... "

Let us get one thing straight, those working hard and not "living" the American dream, at best they are chasing it and like damn fools will keep chasing it all their life without attaining it, people with zero net worth and neck deep in daily living debt, cannot live any dream let alone the "American Dream". You have a problem because the motivation, "propaganda" machine of the US elite doesn't tolerate anyone and anything that might disrupt the fakery of the matrix they have spun

mad masadi,

.... the sooner you accept the bitter truth that you could not make it in the land of opportunity because you just did not have the 'right stuff', the sooner you can get on with the rest of the life ......... stop spewing nonsense to discourage other people are willing to work hard to live the american dream .......

maybe half a dozen generations back

Kulharee writes "Masadi al Baghdadi,"

I am not Baghdadi, very much Pakistani- maybe half a dozen back some of my ancestors might have lived in Iraq according to what my grandfather claims, and before that we all came out of Africa, Kulharee Al Afreekan

Kulharee writes "Don’t they all look the same?"

Yes, but the system needs time to mold them to its pattern, right now the recent immigrants have advantages and a head start, and they have small numbers (as Asian minorities) compared to African Americans and Mexicans for the system to kick in full speed to maintain itself. Give them enough time and the catching up will be top down as they reduce to the level of the indigeneous Chinese and not the indigeneous Chinese raising themselves up to the level of the recent immigrant. Only a certain class can gather enough resources to immigrate and attend "elite" US universities, comparing the "looks of them" to the reality of the indigeneous Chinese American is quite disingenuous...Class advantage can also counter racial disadvantage even for AAs but the system only allows a few to break free from the class trap inherent in race, here the recent immigrants got their class position in another system and so escape that route to attain advantage...

teach=reach , sorry my eyes are really getting no well.

Re: # 156 Even from pakistan rich elites children gone to usa and pick up drinking alcohol and bad stuff. Many are not good and means little spoiled children. Many have deceived me by not paying for teaching retarts mathematics and ran away to usa. They may be drinking more rupees worth alcohol and parties etc but they do not pay people like me , it is sad they forget ladder which helped them to teach usa. Wonder some times why Bilawal , Rahul Gandhi get scholorships at prestigeous UK colleges there is some connection I guess.

Re: # 161

HP,
You just got here on H1-b on a fake and padded visa. You still wear pants and shirts bought from some ch-tia bazaar in Mad-ass and talk abt "blaming us". First start buying things from the american stores and find someone to get you a green card and then the citizenship and only after that talk abt "blaming us".)

I take it that is all from your personal experience?
Thank you for the tip but I am American born.

Any other problem HP?

The US Elite

#161
You just got here on H1-b on a fake and padded visa.
Correction:
You just got here on H1-b on a fake and padded RESUME!

The H1-B delusion...hahaha!

#149 Posted by US-elite
"If you can hear us above all the other voices in your head, can you stop blaming us for your pathetic country's problems."

You just got here on H1-b on a fake and padded visa. You still wear pants and shirts bought from some ch-tia bazaar in Mad-ass and talk abt "blaming us". First start buying things from the american stores and find someone to get you a green card and then the citizenship and only after that talk abt "blaming us".

Fking moron!
Now say:Cheeri, cheeri!

#156 Masadi al Baghdadi, what difference does it make if they are recent or ancient Chinese? Don’t they all look the same? The point is that the reason they are moving up the ladder is that they are not hung up celebrating or crying victimhood, a point some Desis need to accept, if they wish to move forward, and from what I see, people of little Pakistan are on their way to realize that, by unwelcoming the garbage that has plagued other Muslim Pakistani neighborhoods elsewhere. So yes, long live Little Pakistan.

Good afternoon, I just came back from a track meet, now off to see my favorite Muslim musician, Ustad Zakir Hussain.

tahmed writes "good morning masadi.."

That is one less morning that you're going to see in your life....which I guess makes it quite "good".....

good morning masadi. the nurse tells me you fell of your bed again last night. this will never do!!!

Anil, unfortunately I do not have time to read long irrelevant posts from a business 101 book that do not apply to the rise and fall of empires, and that also when they are written in Hindlish and not english.

Kulharee writes "Chinese students are getting admissions into elite programs in numbers larger than ever."

Unfortunately for you, you need more research which would show you that those are foreign or recent immigrant Chinese and not indigeneous Chinese who just like indigeneous Indians (beyond the 2nd generation, don't forget that only relatively advantaged people migrate to the US from China and India) are still underrepresented compared to their population percent. The Chinese Exclusion Act was merely cited by me to show the historical trend, the law might have gone but the mindset that passed those laws is very much alive and kicking, the farcial case against Wen Ho Lee was part of the same mindset...

All US embassies in the developing world

All US embassies are military headquarters of neo-colonial domination, and the size of them tells how much interference they plan in the country they are located and the surrounding regions..........

The wannabes writes "can you stop blaming us for your pathetic country's problems."

When you close down shop in Islamabad, and pull all your agents out, take the Pakistan Army back to washington with you and go F yourself, and not interfere in our affairs or try to choke us thorugh your proxies, then and only then will I not blame your pathetic country regarding harming our land of freedom and humanity (Pakistan) made dirty by your agents of the Pak Army and the peons of the West................

From the other thread:

A current day example of the lynchings (and the acquittal of the guilty) by new york pigs,they pumped 50 bullets into an unarmed man for no reason and are let off free...

--NPR---

The Bryant Park Project, April 25, 2008 · Three undercover detectives were found not guilty Friday in the 2006 police shooting of Sean Bell, a New York case that made national headlines.

Delores Jones-Brown of the John Jay College of Criminal Justice says the case has drawn attention because it's part of a larger pattern of police shooting unarmed suspects.

Jones-Brown, a former prosecutor, directs the college's Center on Race, Crime and Justice. She cites a string of acquittals of police officers around the nation who killed civilians while on duty. In the Bell case, detectives fired 50 bullets at Bell and his friends outside a strip club in the predawn hours. Bell, who was unarmed, was to be married later that day.

The professor says the sheer number of bullets matters, in this case and in past ones, like the police killing of Amadou Diallo in New York in 1999. The unarmed Diallo died in his apartment doorway after officers fired 41 bullets at him

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=89933890

my reply to them was : Go F yourself

I received this threatning message in my chowk mail, just wanted to make it public knowledge:

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From: US-elite
Date: Apr 19 02:38 am
Subject:
We are going to take care of you masadi.

the US elite

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Re: # 148

Masadi,

If you can hear us above all the other voices in your head, can you stop blaming us for your pathetic country's problems.

We have nothing to do with you or your country or its problems. We don't even know which country you are talking about and exactly where it is?

Half the time we don't know where our own country is you fool.

The US Elite

tahmed writes "so..you missed out on your chance of greatness when you were in the US. and you have only yourself to blame for that!!"

It is not that I missed on "greatness", it is that I attained greatness by learning firsthand the sickness of the US elite and how they dominate the world and keep their own people in a moronic fashion. That "greatness" has nothing to do with selfish success based on criteria that are themselves externally determined. I did witness firsthand not only personally but otherwise as well, the inhumanity and racism that exists in that society, across the US in benefits and access to "success" that are offered. The society you live in is a diseased society and the US elite are the virus that has killed the humanity in the mass among the American people...I have myself to blame just as the 99% of colored folk that are disallowed access by implicit polite means have themselves to blame- only an idiot would conclude with personal blame to the victim, it is the system that is producing such patterns...

Some of the best Pakistani food can be found in Brooklyn.

Many buildings are still owned by Jews and are occupied

mainly by Pakistanis in the area.

masadi: i understand that when in the US you were forced to take the last seat in the bus. but..that was simply because the bus driver thought you would be able to think more profoundly.

and you were refused service at mcdonalds .. but that was only because the staff knew the cholestrol could diminish the quality of that incredible brain of yours

and that mob that ran after you that you thought was going to lynch you..that was your fan club that recognized you and was merely hoping you would say a few words to them..and you ran with your feet on your head (to translate from urdu).

so..you missed out on your chance of greatness when you were in the US. and you have only yourself to blame for that!!

#134 Posted by Urstruly on April 24, 2008 7:44:02 am


So why the onus is only on Muslims in this kind of environment to assimilate.


When african-americans don't assimilate, you get rap music..

when muslims don't assimilate, you get bombs on subways...

it's more important for muslims to assimilate than any other group....

Re: # 141

Kulharee sahib:

Massaddi Mian lives in that period of Chinese Exclusion Act. That is why, I do not think you want him in CIA-PL. The dreams of young minds there are different.

Re: # 138

Massaddi Mian:

"...It is beyond the comprehension of all rational and logically thinking people..."

Just do not delude yourself that you are in the rational and logical thinking people. You cannot be, you are driven by irrationality and illogic. You are an Antithesis.

Re: # 136

Massaddi Mian:

"....learn something fool ... "

Follow your own advice, so that you can no longer be a fool.

Obviously, you seem to enjoy your mental masturbations (MM), and like to mix issues and words at a speed and pray that it produces the rope trick to impress and score points.

You lack an ability to understand the importance of 3Cs (Command, Control and Communication) in the process of rise and fall of empires. Supply chains of resources had always been local, something sharing of loot with selected locals always assures it.

Islamic empires invented "autonomy" to share the exploits, British in India used it. British had never ruled such a wide and diverse area. Mughals did.

Mughals limited the sharing with the locals in their own way and British it in their own way.

Basics, that when infrastructures for 3Cs weaken, the whole thing weakens, always holds.

Local rebellions weaken the infrastructure. Only a self absorbed mental masturbator would think otherwise.

Mughals found it out; their own men were rebelling and joining the rebels. Can you care to explain how Deccan moved from Sunni Mughals to Shia Nizams?

British found out that besides 3Cs, there is economic disruption that non-cooperation can bring. They can fill the jails, and clog their own system and increase the cost to sustain. It is called upping the ante. Soviets found out the effect of upping the ante. Americans too found it out in Vietnam. Even Pakistanis found it out in what became Bangladesh. You really enjoy your MM.

Please do not confuse this globalization with East India Company. Your nonsense on Globalization comes straight from that period.

For the first time in human history, man-made technology as a force of change ranks with forces of nature. Technology is a massive driver of change and globalization.

Your ilk likes to contain it in your part of the world. You guys can do it that your own peril. Don't blame rest of the world for not participating in your 7th century to Mills par course. This technology driver is squarely outside this par course.

It not, the U.S. elite unleashed globalization.

You are a mis-formed product of Globalization, but great majority are not.

You completely fail to understand that wealth so created cannot be locked away in the vaults of East India Company in London. You are living in the 7th century and Ibn Khaldun, how will you know about it.

Three pillars of economics - capital, labor and markets - that I introduced to you last time. Just look at each of them in this period of Globalization. These pillars can be formed anywhere and can be moved anywhere, many times at the speed of light, or speed of a jet plane. This means faster than swords can be rattled or even bombs can be dropped.

Just to give you an idea. The largest reserves ( = capital) are no longer in the west. Fastest capital formation is happening outside the west. East Asian economies have them. Some of the largest new markets are no longer in the west, Asia has them. Largest cell phone market is China now, and India racing to be the second largest. Some of the largest production ( = labor) basis for both product and services are no longer in the west, Asia has them.

Innovation, quality and efficiency are advantage America and Europe. Both will use it and can use it only in Global environment, because today the globe smaller than that local market of (was it) Mecca that Mohammad took control and used it to redefine and in the process unleashed Islam that you still dream of.

Mohammad too had these three advantages. His competitors lacked his competitive advantage. I can recommend you a book to read Mohammad, one of the finest general of all times.

You will understand it only after you give up your moronic thinking. Your "assibiyeh - social cohesion" being the driver is all nonsense. Only a moronic social thinker on an ego trip will come with arguments based on it.

This game of Globalization has never been played, any strategic thinker will tell you. Advantages have shifted in the past, Islamic Empires lost it, European Empires lost it, there is nothing written in concrete or Allah sanctioned that Americans would not lose it, and China will not gain it. Indians have been known to blow up in smokes in the past and can do it again.

Massaddi Mian, please grow up. This has nothing to do about "Go, F___, yourself".

Masadi Sahib, lately I have been visiting college campuses with my son, and the ethnic mix at colleges (at least on the east coast) is heartwarming. It is representative of the country. Chinese students are getting admissions into elite programs in numbers larger than ever. The other group that stands out is the Indian students. So your contention that China town is some backward ghetto is not true. Some pharmacological labs on the east coast are staffed by only Indians and Chinese scientists.

Majumdar writes "But USSR's example suggests that centralised control only creates the illusion of a stable nation state.."

The state broke apart only after the centralization fell apart.......and the Yankees rushed in to construct military bases

#137, the chinese people are assimilated to the extent of Chinese food, strerotypes and racial slurs regarding them abound in the US, they are segmented into family businesses and segregated as far as neighbourhoods go...the Chinese exclusion Act was how they were excluded historically and if assimilation had happened there wouldnt be exotic china towns to display their exotic culture...

Anil writes "Rig Veda indeed is beyond your dogmatic comprehension..."

It is beyond the comprehension of all rational and logically thinking people, maybe a drugged mind can understand it, I don't want to destroy my mind to understand BS, like Gruff said "Say no to drugs"....and the gibberish of those high on drugs.................

urstruly

What about chinese people? they seem to be well assimilated... in fact, some amount of chinese culture has seeped into american mainstream...

Anil writes "Increase your knowledge on Dynamics on Rise and Fall of Empires..."

You should learn something instead of trying to teach me your own "invented" dynamics after hearing how overstretched the US military is on the mainstream BS media, read Ibn Khaldun on the rise and fall of empires, his was the standard scientific work on it, and the decline is not due to overstretch it is due to weakning assibiyah- or social cohesion of which, because of autonomy, lack of consolidation, none of was achieved by the Mughals, unlike the British and today like the Americans are doing with their corporate culture and globalization to control the decline of their empire....learn something fool ...

anil writes "The question remains, Massaddi Mian, are you ready to give up your dogmas? "

No, the questionn remains " are you so idiotic that you cannot understand the obvious". Unlike the British the Mughals did not consolidate and centralize, when the empire dominates, it overcomes rebellions, otherwise it does not establish in the first place. Neither the mughals nor the British lost their hold on India because of rebellions...

This article was well penned and conveys a very informative reportage.

However, I am little disappointed with this assimilation business. Why the onus is on Muslims? Why can't the majority be also held responsible for assimilation issues. Let me expalin it with three examples:

The first group that should have been assimilated in American cultureand mainstream should have been the Red Indians who have been here logest than any immigrant group (punn intended), but they are far from assimilated. Hell, they live in concentration camps to this day, isolated from larger population valowing in decreptitude, illiteracy, misery.

THe second oldest group of immigrant is that of the Africans (again punn intended) but what we see is that:
- They still have their own langauge that is clearly differentiable even by an outsider.
- they have their own slang
- They have their own music
- They have their own literature
- they have their own movies
- They have their own style of clothing
- they have their own churches
- they have their own confined residential areas.
- they have their own schools, colleges, and universities
and besides all this every one out of ten of them is in jail. As a matter of fact the US prison popultaion is larger than some of the countries in the world. In other words US jails are the biggest African country outside of Africa.

Thirdly, Same goes with the Spanish, who came here first of all.
So why the onus is only on Muslims in this kind of environment to assimilate. Shouldn't assimilation be a two way street?

Yes America is a melting pot, but it is a melting pot of white people. They have melted with each other alright - but colored people....don't say that massadi is angry for nothing.
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Re: # 121

Massaddi Mian:

"... there was regional autonomy and no centralization of control that is why the British found it relatively easy to dominate it..."

For your Naiveté, issue is not autonomy. It is rebelling due to over emphasis of a single religion, and the resources needed to control this rebellion and 3Cs (command, control and communication) with the center. In this period, the first successful guerilla movements were started by Shivaji and Guru Gobind Singh. One escaped right under the nose of the emperor in a mithai ka tokra (factual or not), the other fought in the neighborhood and could not be defeated.

There is a rule for all empires, yes Islamic empires included, that by the time Empires reach their peak, they have over spent and over stretched themselves and therefore start their decline, and eventually decline.

Did you notice that I have used "ALL" in the above? I wanted to be sure, before you start your favorite phrase.

Increase your knowledge on Dynamics on Rise and Fall of Empires. There is nothing religious or irreligous about it. There is nothing dogmatic in it either.

May be you read it, but your mind is so saturated with "Go, F___, yourself" that you could not retain it.

BTW, don't take Rig Veda as anything more than a Travelogue of a group of people. No one has claimed it to be word of Allah or whoever was before Him.

Quite to the contrary, in it you will find a freedom of mind through a question "Is Man the Best Creation of God, or God is the Best Imagination of Man?".

Rig Veda indeed is beyond your dogmatic comprehension. My advice is that you please do not overload your already overloaded mind.

If you must insist, there is also a description of "SOMA" in it, and how it tasted and the feelings it gave upon drinking. It also describes the plant the drink is made from. This plant to this date is called "SOM" in peshawar area and central asia. Recent BBC's 6 part documentary on India-Pakistan sub continent traces writers of Rig Veda to their origin in Central Asia. According to BBC documentary this plant is still found in that area and no where else in India.

The question remains, Massaddi Mian, are you ready to give up your dogmas?

Re: # 110
nkg: and the fool thinks that I was talking about large scale migration of millions from Iraq to India- not to mention that your simplistic explanations are quite pathetic, the one that blames the Muslims for the falling GDP of India until 1992 is especially halarious.

Ans: Stupid,I have already told the core reasons for large scale migration.
You are avoiding your PUSH and PULL reasons (if anything such is there)...


Quran is the most rational, internally consistent rendition the world has seen, you just don't have the brains or the morality to either understand it or do it justice, so shut the F up fool.

Ans: Yes masadi, God has to deliver his message to a arab beduine, when he is alone and through "akash vani"!!!! Yesterday, I have heard "Akash Vani" in Bengali that there is no God other than CPM and muslims are scoundrels.
(Similar to
"Koran-Sura 5:51 "O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people."
I will provide more such "Akash Vani"s/revealitions like this in god's (sorry CPM's) ( not mine. But it will coincide with my convenience). Prophet N**** :-)

Anyhow, my CPM is constructing several more layers of heavens than that of Allah (total 10 layers). Full specification with brochure will be provided next. If you are martyr ("sahid") ( who kills muslims), you will enjoy unlimited pork and 100 Pakistani virgins...For ladies, john abraham like handsome hunks from Punjab and Hariyana with....(upgraded version of Sura 56 of Quoran)...

People of Japan, South and North Americas, Australia need to know the message of God...Had god's messanger told Muhammed how to convey to them?

Re: # 114

Massaddi Mian:

"... Rather they seemed like the babbling of a Baboon gone wild with a crayon..."

Looking at your mental age today, do you understand that 3,500 years ago you probably were a gene in a single cell Amoeba somewhere in the sand of Iraq.

Another point that you may like to hold in your brain that is already overloaded "Go F___, yourself", is that everyone accepts Veda as the FIRST written book, not THE FINAL book.

Would you care to explain for everyone's benefit your understanding of the difference between FIRST and FINAL?

Re: # 124
Majumder...

Masadi sahib,

You are right, Sati preceded Muslim presence in India. But I am not sure it was ever very widely prevalent.

Ans: The "custom" of Sati started with "jauhar". The story of Rani Padmini may provide some insight...

Masadi..
Ans: I was consfused with Kanaki...
To link with sati custom and story of Kannagi, Madhvi and Kovalan is really creative work :-). A traingular love story and resultant loss of lifes (tragedy)...
When people love somebody blindly and fails to bear the loss, commits suicide. It may be son,daughter and husband, wife. May be that much deep bonding and love does not exists in arab beduines and paedophiles. It is common in India...

Re: # 110
Masadi...
The fall started with islamic invastion...that( the fall) continued upto 1992...

Re: # 118
Masadi...

The origin of Sati is not definitely known, but generally it has been ascribed to the self-immolation of God Shiva's wife, Sati. She, on finding that her husband was not invited by her father, Daksha, for some Yaga, to which he had invited all the other deities, created a fire out of her innate powers and immolated herself in front of the guests.

Sati is of great antiquity but was not favored from ancient times by all legists. All the ancient scriptures disagree with sati and say that one should not die before ones' destined time. Sati was mentioned by Vishnu (100-200 A.D.) as the other alternative for a woman after her husband's death if she is not able to lead a chaste life.

In spite of the disapproval, we find that in the Mahabharatha, that Madri burnt herself on the funeral pyre of her husband. In the sixth century, Sati was practiced in the South as well. In the Tamil literary work Silapathikaram, it is mentioned that Kanaki went with her husband to Madurai. There Kovalan was wrongly accused of stealing one of the anklets of the Queen. The king, without further enquiry ordered the man to be prosecuted.

http://www.indianmirror.com/strange/stindia1.html


Ans: Sati does not mean widow burning. It means noble women ( female of honest).
Sati,(Lord Siva's wife) had nothing to do with Widow burning. She was never widow...


Madri was not burned alive, neither Mahabharata described it as sati. She committed suicide due to some other reason...

One or two instances does not make it custom...The sati, as custom started as "jauhar" amongst Rajputs and spread further...Sati custom is still appears in Rajasthan,MP and Gujrat. The folk tales in these areas will provide you the reason behind such act...


The article by that lady is full of lies.
When ask for circumstancial/material proof, these people back off.
Regarding Tamilnadu, the custom was NEVER practised. Anybody can write article, but should provide statistics and proof...

Regarding "rapist", a 54 year old trying to engage in sexual activity with his daughter-in-law ("Zainab") and a minor girl ("Aisha") is not enough!!!! Do you believe a minor girl will voluntarily engage in such activity with 50+!!!

Re: # 118

masadi saab,

The pakis can quote as mush as they like from the hindu scrioptures, but the fact is that the contry is not ruled by them.

It was freightening to see the new PM, Gillani taking oath and the prime concept is that pakistan will be ruled by the koran AND sharia.

No wonder that the hoodood laws and blasphemy laws etc will never be changed.

Evey law of pakistan and its constitution has to be sharia compliant, no wonder the samia srawrs will continue to get killed in the name of sharia and no prosecution will be carried out because such killings are sharia compliant.

Re: # 112
Majumder...
Falling share of GDP...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_past_GDP_(PPP)

It was lowest 2.xx% of world GDP(PPP)...

Generic decline started around 13th/14th century.

After industrial revolution and awakening in Europe, India (stagnant and declining for centuries) lagged behind europe...

http://ayurveda-foryou.com/archive/charaka.html
http://en.wikipedi a.org/wiki/Charaka
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sushruta_Samhita
http://indian medicine.nic.in/html/ayurveda/ayurveda.htm
The Last URL...Post islamic invastion Madhava had done some work in Kerala. Entire western india (current day Pakistan) and ganga valley had no significant work on medical science...And British Govt. killed it..

Masadi,

due to your constant whining, we have decided to support your application for an American visa.

We promise to facilitate your rehabilitation and subsequent release back into the wild.

Take care and don't bite anyone as it may be contagious.

The US Elite

Masadi sahib,

You are right, Sati preceded Muslim presence in India. But I am not sure it was ever very widely prevalent.

Regards

Masadi sahib,

(An area with diversity of ethnicity and religion needs strong centralized control to keep it intact. I am not talking about good or bad here, for me maximum autonomy for the people is best but nation states cannot be maintained in this manner )

There seems to be two sets of opinions on this. One wud be your opinion and also incidentally that of the INC. The other was the one favoured by ML (although they never lived up to their promise) Difficult to say which one is correct. But USSR's example suggests that centralised control only creates the illusion of a stable nation state.

Regards

Regards

Majumdar, my point in copy pasting Indian sources was to show the idiot that Sati did not originate with the "Muslim" invasion of India, and the copy pastes show that amply enough...

The mughal empire at the heels of the Brit Raj was an empire in name only, there was regional autonomy and no centralization of control that is why the British found it relatively easy to dominate it. An area with diversity of ethnicity and religion needs strong centralized control to keep it intact. I am not talking about good or bad here, for me maximum autonomy for the people is best but nation states cannot be maintained in this manner

Masadi sahib,

(In spite of the disapproval, we find that in the Mahabharatha, that Madri burnt herself on the funeral pyre of her husband. )

Lemme give you the background to this. Pandu had been cursed by a saint that if he shud have sex he wud die. One day when Pandu and Madri were roaming around together they got a bit amorous (like Mr. YRG and Ms. SR) and ended up doing IT forgetting the saint's curse. Poor Pandu died and Madri held herself responsible burning herself. The other wife Kunti did not. Neither did any of the other widows in Mahabharata (eg. Satyavati, Ambika, Ambalika, Dushala, Uttara or any of the other widowed women)

By the way this is not to justify Sati.

Regards

btw nkg don't call people "rapist" when you have no proof and use your hindi gibberist to tell me what the Quran is. I can just as easily claim that your mama is a whore and your father was a a-hole who f'd pigs.

Just two source for this fool

Sati - Brahmin Annihilation of Widows
Chapter 5
Genocide of Women in Hinduism
by
Sita Agarwal

The Aryans, upon their invasion of India ca. 1500 B.C. introduced the horrific custom of sati, ie. the burning of a woman after the death of her husband. When performed singly it is referred to as sati, when performed en masse by all the women and daughters of a town in anticipation of their widowhood (eg. when the men were to fight a battle against all odds), it is known as jauhar. It is sanctioned by their most sacred texts, and was practiced from the fall of the Semito-Dravidian Indus Valley civilization to the modern age.
5.1 SCRIPTURAL ENFORCEMENT
The most sacred of Aryan scriptures are the Vedas, and the Rig Veda, the oldest veda, explicitly sanctions the custom of sati. The following famous `Sati Hymn' of the Rig Veda was (and still is) recited during the actual immolation of the widow [ Kane 199-200 ]: -

Rig Veda X.18.7 : " Let these women, whose husbands are worthy and are living, enter the house with ghee (applied) as corrylium ( to their eyes). Let these wives first step into the pyre, tearless without any affliction and well adorned."

-- [ Rig Veda X.18.7 ] [ Kane 199-200 ]

In recent times some Aryan apologists have arisen who try to prove that this verse does not sanction sati. This concept arises from a mistaken reading of the word agne or agneh , which they believe is agre . This is a wrong interpretation, and other evidence exists that the Aryans definitely practiced Sati from the earliest times. These fabricators distorted the Sati verse which directs the widow to enter the pyre (agneh) so as to mean that the wife was to rise from her pyre and go to the front (agre). These fraud Brahminist historians also wilfully ignore several other citations from scriptures which explicitly allow Sati :

* The Garudapurana favourably mentions the immolation of a widow on the funeral pyre, and states that women of all castes, even the Candalla woman, must perform Sati. The only exceptions allowed by this benevolent author is for pregnant women or those who have young children. If women do not perform sati, then they will be reborn into the lowly body of a woman again and again till they perform Sati. [ Garuda.Purana. II.4.91-100 ] [ Kane 237 ].
* A sati who dies on the funeral pyre of her husband enjoys an eternal bliss in heaven [ Daksa Smrti IV.18-19 ] [ Sm.Samu p.30 ] [ 1200, p.65 ]
* According to Vasishta's Padma-Purana, a woman must, on the death of her husband, allow herself to be burnt alive on the same funeral pyre [ DuB.345 ].
* Yajnavalkya, the most important law-giver after Manu, states that sati is the only way for a chaste widow [ Apastamba.I.87 ] [ 1200, p.65 ]
* The Yogini Tantra enjoins upon Brahmana widows to burn themselves on the funeral pyre of their husbands [ Yog.T. II.303-308 ]. Vaisya and Sudra widows were also allowed to do it. It was prohibited to unchaste women and those having many children. [ 1200, p.67 ]
* The Vyasa Smrti gives one of the two alternatives for a Brahmana widow, ie. either to become a sati or to take up ascetism after her tonsure [ Vyasa Sm. II.53 ] [ Sm.S. p.362 ] [ 1200, p.67 ftn.136 ].

What more can I say about these golden verses from the `Holy' Vedas, the Gita and the Puranas - guidelines for every true Hindu woman ! Needless to say, bigoted Hindu fanatics like Vivekananda, `Mahatma' Gandhi and the Ramakrishna Mission always ignore these verses in order to fool gullible Westerners that Sati does not exist or is the result of some Pakistani ISI conspiracy.

Further, the Vishnusmirti gives only two choices for the widow:

Vishnu Smirti.XXV.14 : "If a woman's husband dies, let her lead a life of chastity, or else mount his pyre"

-- [ Vis.Sm. xxv.14 ] [ Clay.13 ]

Brahma is one of the main Aryan gods, being the creator of the world ( later he was identified as an incarnation of