Little Pakistan: Brooklyn’s Coney Island Avenue

#48 Posted by dost_mittar on April 22, 2008 6:09:13 am

you don't have to actually help them put on the suicide vests..being an apologists for them and denying their existence is just as bad...you are an enabler..

like i was taught in the bad old days: the devil's greatest trick was to convince people that he didn't exist..

arjun writes masadi(whose ancestors came from iraq as invaders and stole the land from the natives) on April 22, 2008 1:46:44 am

Fool unlike the US where the white man owns the major property and the indigeneous folk are relegated to reservations or have been exterminated, people of Iraqi descent (who did not come as invaders) have blended into the indigeneous population- I thought you might have half a brain because of your ability to "bot" on here but you remain a dimwit.....there is no comparison in what I wrote and what you presented, except that you made a fool of yourself

#31 a slight correction:

rejected by the mainstream social structure they develop their own and religion figures in prominently in filling this void in binding the community together both materially (economic) and meaning (social/psychological) wise...

Arjun Yaar, if you really believe that those Chanda Box stuffers and poor cabbies and laborers are terrorist or their sympathizers, I have a news for you. The new generation of terrorists hold degrees from elite schools, have professional jobs, work for global businesses and live in affluent areas. I am not disagreeing with you about some groups that have been implicated in terrorism connections but this write-up is very “specifically” about a peaceful Pakistani community that has been unfairly treated. This is about Pakistanis that make Coney Island their home. They are not terrorists by any stretch of the imagination. Not a single one has ever been found to be associated with any act of terror.

Masadi Sahib, what do you propose that the residents of Little Pakistan do to realize their full potential, as some other Pakistanis in the west have attained?.

Kulharee writes "Masadi Sahib, what do you propose that the residents of Little Pakistan do to realize their full potential, as some other Pakistanis in the west have attained?. "

I sense a slight change in you for the better, don't destroy it like Hamid does after his conscience seeps through in one post or the other. The Pakistanis that have succeeded in the system of oppression by cloning themselves after the white man are not "successful" in my opinion and there is nothing those other Pakistanis that are segregated can do to be like them because the white man will never level the playing field, he will allow only those that think like him and yet never challenge their subordiation or faithfulness to the system. The BEST thing for those Pakistanis to do is hook up with other segregated and oppressed folk, the AAs, the NAs, the MAs, and the women folk and give the system hell and keep giving it hell until the oppressive rule of the white elite and his system based on injustice and mythology collapses- though the gains will be incremental. Next, they should shun their current power structure with the mullah and his hidden hands behind them, start in their own community like Elijah M did with the Black Muslims and then spillover to the other oppressed from there. Simple in principle but difficult to achieve because the white man's control and enslavement mechanism will kick in the moment they see the community developing consciousness and rejecting their slave status in that society......

g'night

Kul, what assadhi is saying is that..pakis shoudl stop trying to succeed in the US like hinjews, jews, chinese, japs, koreans etc etc..have done by integrating into the system and using it to better the lives of their children and themselves.

This chutiya thinks that those kids of chinese laborers in flushing, NY should look to be more like those livingin lefrak city or bradford complaining about the system and "the man" instead of studying, excelling and moving up the socio economic ladder, like every other immigrant group aspires to.

assadhi, you are an idiot!!!

Re: # 52 Kul
[...The new generation of terrorists hold degrees from elite schools...]

It's clear that the potential terrorists and their sympathisers cut across class... that kind of validates Arjun's point... I mean, from the non-mulsims POV, what the heck? How do we make sense of these people?...

An inspiring stories of hard work, sweat and rags to riches of pak panjabies entrepreneurs in Manchester, believe me 100s if not 1000s have became millionaires.

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Entrepreneurial Chains

Manchester has traditionally been the business and commercial metropolis of a wide area, and the economic structure of the city has provided opportunities for Pakistani enterprise not always found elsewhere. Whilst the small Lancashire cotton-mill towns attracted an unskilled and low-paid labour force occupied in primary cloth manufacturing, Pakistanis in Manchester turned, almost from the start, to the manufacturing and distributing of ready-made garments, following other migrants before them into the local 'rag trade'.

The first Pakistani immigrant entrepreneurs in Manchester were men from Jullunder and some adjacent districts in East Punjab. The majority came from families of small farmers, and after Partition, they were joined by relatives and friends who had settled in Pakistan as refugees. By the early 1950s these migrants from Jullunder were already estab-lished as pedlars, market traders and wholesalers. Pakistani entrepreneurship thus tended during its formative years to take the form of entrepreneurial chainswith the consequent creation of clusters of migrants from the same areas of origin in particular sections of the trade. These networks provide essential information on the setting up of businesses, the length of time they take to establish, the initial outlay required, the particular problems typical of the business, the expertise needed, the availability of labour. Such information cannot be measured adequately in quantitative terms, but it is clearly essential for the establishment of viable small businesses during their formative years. In these chains the pioneers form pivotal points of growth. To give substance to these chains let me recount briefly a few of the links which clustered around one of the early, and legendary, Pakistani pioneers in the local garment industry.

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One of the first wholesale houses in the cite was run as a partnership between two unrelated men from the Arniit caste group. The two not only established this first major Pakistani commercial enterprise, but they were also prominent in the foundation of the Pakistan society and other communal associations. For mane years thev and the cohort of migrants they sponsored effectively controlled the Central Mosque in Manchester. Other migrants who follov,,ed them are today market traders or wholesalers in their own right The basis for the fortunes of this particular wholesale house was its monopoly over the sale of seconds purchased from one of the large chain stores, well known for the high quality of its knitwear. The son of this first pioneer told me the family tale, or legendof these early settlers:

CreateAlpha writes "Kul, what assadhi is saying is that..pakis shoudl stop trying to succeed in the US like hinjews, jews, chinese, japs, koreans etc etc..have done by integrating into the system and using it to better the lives of their children and themselves. "

So over multiple generations they have not been working hard, just goofing off and eating cheetos? You are the idiot who wants the system that allows a handful to succeed to remain and for the rest to work their asses off as they are doing now and not budging from the class the system has put them in. You can be damn sure if interclass mobility based on race was so equitable in the US there would be no segregation to speak of and there would certainly not be the class difference based on race that is quite evident in social statistics. If the white elite notice any man of color distorting their system of superior/subordinate you can be damn sure they wont just sit back and relax. The people who got ghettoized were prevented and are prevented from integration, read any survey in any European and even US society and how they feel about immigrants of color, and this a-hole blames the victim without having any clue about the class structure in the US and its reproduction through material opportunity and the resulting subjective response including the reverse "affirmative action" that benefits the white race at the expense of others. History and scholarship is on my side, BS and ignorance is on yours, the people here can take their pick.................

(quote)Asian immigrants to the U.S. tend to be already highly educated and from the middle or upper class, for a number of reasons. Thus, they get a completely different start in life in the U.S. compared to other minorities. Although Asians achieve a much greater degree of success in the U.S., the "model minority" stereotype is a myth because Asian-Americans still bump into the glass ceiling, receive lower pay even with the same qualifications, and have higher poverty rates. The image of boat people escaping the ravages of war and communism to take full advantage of American opportunities is also a myth, in that Southeast Asians actually have the lowest success rate of all Asians.
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http://academic.udayton.edu/race/01race/model02.htm

what handful moron? I grew up in the US, I grew up lower middle class, went to public schools in NYC, went to top ten schools for bachelor and MBA, worked at the best insitutions in the world. What are you babbbling about? I cna point to thousands upon thousands of examples of people who did that, across the minority landscape. The problem with you is that you are a slacker..a scape goater...a middling fool who blames everyone else for his ineptitude.

Integration in the US and europe are two different models. US succeeds while Europe fails time and time again.

Th eissues with the paksitani community is unique....most lower income families have only one breadwinner...(women are still nto allowed to work), most have one leg here nad another leg back home (this is not preserving your culture, this is doing things halfassed)...most are completely misognystic (daughters are bascially screwed to the point that they are either sent packing to pakistan after highschool or married to some chutiya from the village in order to bring him over..and perpetuate the cycle) Too many example of that. the fault doesn;'t lie with the US, many others have done it and done it well. some internal inspection is necessary to prevent brandfords from being created in brooklyn. As long as they are going to be created, US policies (which are thankfully not like the UK or european) will cause more articles like these to be written.

There are 100s of mirpuri millionaires in Bradford as I have said before Bradford has turned the corner and its on the way up, this may surprise some but mirpuris have left Brooklyn to come to live in the UK.

"From small acorns do giant oak trees grow"
Widely acknowledged as one of the first Asian Bakeries in Bradford, Kashmir Crown Bakeries has a turnover of millions and reaches every corner of the globe. The Asian sweets, biscuits and savouries are famed throughout the world. Until now, not much was known about the man behind the success.
What is the story behind the success?
It is a classic story of rags to riches, of a man driven by ambition and desire to succeed, spanning two continents and now into a third generation. From Bagh Sheri near Mirpur, Kashmir to Bradford in the United Kingdom.
The Early Years
The man behind this phenomenal business success, Mohammed Saleem, spent his early life in Pakistan. His father worked in a small rest house and the young Saleem grew up in Bagh Sheri near Mirpur Kashmir. Although Saleem wanted to go to college he knew all to well that it would not be possible. Saleem said "I wanted to study but it was too expensive. My father would have liked me to go to college but he knew that it was out of our reach. Instead I sat my Matriculation at 16, and then a family friend, who was an electrical engineer, got me a job in a mill at Zenat Textile Mill – Faisalabad Pakistan".
He earned 70 rupees a month. After a couple of months he moved to a textile mill in Jhelum and his monthly wage increased to 90 rupees. But Saleem had a burning ambition in heart. He yearned to run his own business, "I knew there was no way I would be successful working for someone else. I had a deep desire to strike out my own but I didn’t have the means".
Two of his brother-in-laws ran a grocery store in Mirpur Kashmir and seemed to be doing well. He had no money but was determined to start his own business. He knew that if he wanted to make something of his life he needed to branch out. He asked his father for permission, but as his father had pointed out, he had no collateral. But Saleem was determined. His brother-in-law had vacant premises and with the help of family and friends he managed to scrape together 800 rupees and was soon in business with a small grocery store, selling lentils, fruit and vegetables. After three months he sat and went through the books and realised his original 800 rupees had swollen to 2700 rupees. Naturally he was overjoyed and began thinking of ways of expanding and like many people at the time, he made a plan to come to Britain.
He came to England in July 1961 with £5 and settled in Birmingham but was unable to find work. Frustrated that he made such a long journey leaving behind his family and friends, he came to Bradford where another friend was living. "There were a lot of mills here and people who couldn’t find work anywhere else managed to get jobs in the mills". He started working in a mill again at W.E Yates Mill, Bramley, Leeds. He learned about textiles and found the work hard but enjoyable. Saleem still nurtured the wish of running his own business. He returned to Pakistan and married in 1966. He returned again briefly to Birmingham and then Bradford to continue working in the same mill.
After six months he and his friend Mohammed Khan, rented a shop on Leeds Road. He ran the shop for about three years supplying fruit and vegetables from the nearby St James Market. But Saleem was still not satisfied. He continued working nights at the mill and then started work at the Commonwealth Restaurant, run by another Bradford business, FD Farooqi, as a driver. This was probably the turning point of his life. He gave up his job at the mill and began driving around the country supplying Asian sweets as part of Mr Farooqi’s growing business. Mr Farooqi then decided that he wanted out and wound the Asian sweet side of business up.
Saleem decided this was the chance he needed to make his dream of having his own business come true. Diversifying from his groceries he began to taste sweet success producing Asian sweets in 1966. "It was all by the grace of God," said Saleem "I had £55 in total to my name, with that I bought a gas cooker and a few other items". He was told to go ahead and start the business by a friendly Health Inspector Mr Keighley. A few months later Mr Keighley came to the shop and took away some samples of Asian sweets in sealed containers to analyse. A few weeks later Saleem received a letter saying in short ‘what you produce is perfect’. This was just the encouragement he needed – and he was in business.
He bought his first shop in 1970 in Carrington Street, off Killinghall Road, Bradford and was kindly given a two week crash course in baking by the then proprietors Mr. And Mrs Whitehead. He then employed Mr Prescott, a traditional baker, for the princely sum of six shillings a day. He bought a mixing machine for £3 from a second hand shop on Lumb Lane. Together they experimented in making cake rusks and it was during this experimentation process that Saleem stumbled on the recipe for the best selling and prize winning Crown Cake Rusk. The product is still made according to the original secret recipe!!!!
The Asian sweet business also continued to flourish and in 1974 a second shop opposite the Commonwealth Restaurant opened. It was called the ‘Crown Bakery’. "In the first year of trading the accountant said we had made £8000". Now Kashmir Crown Bakery are a multi-million pound business.
The Present
Kashmir Crown Bakery is a unique business. Saleem firmly believes that the success of the business comes from the experimentation as well as the traditional methods and recipes used in Pakistan. "From the beginning we insisted on using high quality ingredients and obtained proof from our suppliers that whatever we used was high quality and free from animal fats."
Pakistan obviously means a lot to Saleem. His children grew up in Pakistan so that they would develop their cultural roots and are now helping their father run the successful business. Kashmir Crown Bakeries is a major local employer and there is probably not a corner of the world, which has not heard of Kashmir Crown Bakeries. KCB proudly states "Our products go to many shops in England and Europe Day by day the business is expanding to independent retailers, wholesalers and local stores."
The Future
So what does the future hold? The business has been established, known virtually all over Europe, but the aim is to make Kashmir Crown Bakeries as famous as Nestle and Coca Cola. KCB have introduced a Product Development Department to improve existing products and find new delicious favourites. "The next generation of Asians have a more westernised palette. Chocolate is going to be a key ingredient for the future, we know with chocolate that older the Asians are not overly keen but the younger ones love it." One thing is for certain, whatever direction it takes Kashmir Crown Bakery will always be the Crown of all Bakeries.
http://www.kashmircrownbakeries.com/history.php

akcheema:

I was going to respond to your comment on arjun but he took care of it himself.

but for him it's not just tahir and zeemax who are "pakis". . . "pakis" in his eyes are those who do not speak up against islamic extremism. "pakis" are those who support "militants" in kashmir. "pakis" is more of a monolith, not just one or two people. so-called sympathizers of what he rallies against are "pakis."

it isn't just one or two people. . . it is an idea, an attitude. and it doesn't make him a hindutva as some of us like to call him. it makes him an idiot. . . .

(to be continued. . . . maybe :D)

adios

kulharee,

good article!

Re: # 62; ana

Thanks for your comments.
If that is what he stands for then good luck to him. Not that much different from me then! (save the 'bad' language perhaps); and I am a muslim born and bred.....and a patriotic Pakistani