Feroz Qutabshahi April 21, 2008
#97 Posted by masadi on April 23, 2008 8:40:41 am
He talks about "logic"- just look at one of the many creation myths of Hinduism, gibberish:
FROM THE Rg Veda (10.90)
The Man (Purusha) has a thousand heads, a thousand eyes, a thousand feet. He pervades the earth everywhere and extends beyond for ten fingers' breadth. The Man himself is all this, whatever has been and whatever is to be. He is the lord of immortality and also lord of that which grows on food. Such is his greatness, and the Man is yet greater than this. All creatures make up a quarter of him; three quarters are the immortal in heaven. With three quarters the Man has risen above, and one quarter of him still remains here, whence he spread out everywhere, pervading that which eats and that which does not eat. From him Virj (1) was born, and from Virj came the Man, who, having been born, ranged beyond the earth before and behind. When the gods spread the sacrifice, using the Man as the offering, spring was the clarified butter, summer the fuel, autumn the oblation. They anointed the Man, the sacrifice, born at the beginning, upon the sacred grass. With him the gods, Sdhyas, and sages sacrificed. From that sacrifice in which everything was offered, the clarified butter was obtained, and they made it into those beasts who live in the air, in the forest, and in villages. From that sacrifice in which everything was offered, the verses and the chants were born, the metres were born, and the formulas (2) were born. From it horses were born, and those other animals which have a double set of incisors; cows were born from it, and goats and sheep were born from it.
When they divided the Man, into how many parts did they disperse him? What became of his mouth, what of his arms, what were his two thighs and his two feet called? His mouth was the brahmin, his arms were made into the nobles, his two thighs were the populace, and from his feet the servants (3) were born. The moon was born from his mind; the sun was born from his eye. From his mouth came Indra (4) and Agni, and from his vital breath the wind (Vyu) was born. From his navel the atmosphere was born; from his head the heaven appeared. From his two feet came the earth, and the regions of the sky from his ear. Thus they fashioned the worlds. There were seven, enclosing fire-sticks for him, and thrice seven fire-sticks when the gods, spreading the sacrifice, bound down the Man as the sacrificial beast. With this sacrifice the gods sacrificed; these were the first dharmas. (5) And these powers reached the dome of heaven where dwell the ancient Sdhyas and gods
http://girardianlectionary.net/res/hindu_creation.htm
FROM THE Rg Veda (10.90)
The Man (Purusha) has a thousand heads, a thousand eyes, a thousand feet. He pervades the earth everywhere and extends beyond for ten fingers' breadth. The Man himself is all this, whatever has been and whatever is to be. He is the lord of immortality and also lord of that which grows on food. Such is his greatness, and the Man is yet greater than this. All creatures make up a quarter of him; three quarters are the immortal in heaven. With three quarters the Man has risen above, and one quarter of him still remains here, whence he spread out everywhere, pervading that which eats and that which does not eat. From him Virj (1) was born, and from Virj came the Man, who, having been born, ranged beyond the earth before and behind. When the gods spread the sacrifice, using the Man as the offering, spring was the clarified butter, summer the fuel, autumn the oblation. They anointed the Man, the sacrifice, born at the beginning, upon the sacred grass. With him the gods, Sdhyas, and sages sacrificed. From that sacrifice in which everything was offered, the clarified butter was obtained, and they made it into those beasts who live in the air, in the forest, and in villages. From that sacrifice in which everything was offered, the verses and the chants were born, the metres were born, and the formulas (2) were born. From it horses were born, and those other animals which have a double set of incisors; cows were born from it, and goats and sheep were born from it.
When they divided the Man, into how many parts did they disperse him? What became of his mouth, what of his arms, what were his two thighs and his two feet called? His mouth was the brahmin, his arms were made into the nobles, his two thighs were the populace, and from his feet the servants (3) were born. The moon was born from his mind; the sun was born from his eye. From his mouth came Indra (4) and Agni, and from his vital breath the wind (Vyu) was born. From his navel the atmosphere was born; from his head the heaven appeared. From his two feet came the earth, and the regions of the sky from his ear. Thus they fashioned the worlds. There were seven, enclosing fire-sticks for him, and thrice seven fire-sticks when the gods, spreading the sacrifice, bound down the Man as the sacrificial beast. With this sacrifice the gods sacrificed; these were the first dharmas. (5) And these powers reached the dome of heaven where dwell the ancient Sdhyas and gods
http://girardianlectionary.net/res/hindu_creation.htm
#99 Posted by arjun_5 on April 23, 2008 9:31:38 am
#92 Posted by masadi on April 23, 2008 7:52:41 am
ok...so the facts, according to you, are as follows
the brits were SOBs because they came as invaders
your ancestors, who came as invaders too, were actually benevolent.
brit colonialism = bad
arab colonialism = benevolent..
umm...ok...I see the standard you're following here...both standards, in fact..
ok...so the facts, according to you, are as follows
the brits were SOBs because they came as invaders
your ancestors, who came as invaders too, were actually benevolent.
brit colonialism = bad
arab colonialism = benevolent..
umm...ok...I see the standard you're following here...both standards, in fact..
#100 Posted by CreateAlpha on April 23, 2008 10:10:07 am
Hindus never claim superiority or rationality as the basis of their belief. As Islam is logically curcular, then there is no bsais for some chutiya like assadhi to claim superiority or rationality etc etc..
#101 Posted by jang on April 23, 2008 1:42:37 pm
great article kulharee..now i will pontificate.
1. yar in all wars, the burden is borne by the proles..so CIA pakis are bearing a high burden of backlash for sanctuary provided by paki elites to jihadis. did the bangalis also get deported along with paks?
2. inshalla a dawoody allanji will emerge from CIA. the jewish immigrants brought with them great traditions of music and theatre from europe which were formative incluences. what kinda influences are the CIA parents bringing?
3. for your empty-nester plans, how about starting a pak-music and dance school? teachign tabla, music, dhol, bhangra and such? we can get akram khan to come as a visitng faculty. the masjid can rent space cheap maybe. set this up before masadi sets up his school of marxism and islami studies with life-time chair for himself (and a part-time lecturer job for neembu). such schools are great community builders.
1. yar in all wars, the burden is borne by the proles..so CIA pakis are bearing a high burden of backlash for sanctuary provided by paki elites to jihadis. did the bangalis also get deported along with paks?
2. inshalla a dawoody allanji will emerge from CIA. the jewish immigrants brought with them great traditions of music and theatre from europe which were formative incluences. what kinda influences are the CIA parents bringing?
3. for your empty-nester plans, how about starting a pak-music and dance school? teachign tabla, music, dhol, bhangra and such? we can get akram khan to come as a visitng faculty. the masjid can rent space cheap maybe. set this up before masadi sets up his school of marxism and islami studies with life-time chair for himself (and a part-time lecturer job for neembu). such schools are great community builders.
#102 Posted by anil on April 23, 2008 2:15:38 pm
Re: # 96
Massaddi Mian:
"... which you sobs wont give me a visa ..."
You were deported from the U.S., that is what I recall reading here. Why would any country like to give you a visa, even Saudi may not let you visit Mecca. Most definitely Iran would not.
Have you noticed that your rate of use "Go F____, yourself" has increased?
Massaddi Mian:
"... which you sobs wont give me a visa ..."
You were deported from the U.S., that is what I recall reading here. Why would any country like to give you a visa, even Saudi may not let you visit Mecca. Most definitely Iran would not.
Have you noticed that your rate of use "Go F____, yourself" has increased?
#103 Posted by anil on April 23, 2008 2:21:29 pm
Re: # 97
Massaddi Mian:
"... The Man (Purusha) has ..."
Are you aware those writers of Riga Veda were humans? Possibly they may be unlike you, as they wrote a lot after drinking "Soma", while you without even drinking write worse nonsense. And that too almost 3,500 years later.
Massaddi Mian:
"... The Man (Purusha) has ..."
Are you aware those writers of Riga Veda were humans? Possibly they may be unlike you, as they wrote a lot after drinking "Soma", while you without even drinking write worse nonsense. And that too almost 3,500 years later.
#104 Posted by Kulharee on April 23, 2008 3:27:20 pm
Jang yaar (101), Jews and Paks are different immigrant incidents. Jews left Europe to escape persecution, whereas Paks came here mainly as economic immigrants. They brought with them their own culture which they have been successful in preserving through their customs, food, and stuff. For the time being, their host country is contributing to their culture by letting it prosper, but it won’t be long before their customs become part of the mainstream mores. Do you have DJ Reekha type of contribution in mind? That will surely happen in not too long, just as Bhangra has become pretty conventional in England. Flocks of New Yorkers attend Pak day parade and Mela in Little Pakistan every year. There is song and dance, and there is food. What else can anyone possibly want? Chicks are not that bad either.
Your idea is a pretty good one, but I think I can make a healthier contribution by tutoring math, and not by opening a music school. Akram Khan (you mean of Ajrara Gharana?) is a friend.
I have no information on Bengalis. I haven’t heard or read anything about any being deported.
Your idea is a pretty good one, but I think I can make a healthier contribution by tutoring math, and not by opening a music school. Akram Khan (you mean of Ajrara Gharana?) is a friend.
I have no information on Bengalis. I haven’t heard or read anything about any being deported.
#105 Posted by jang on April 23, 2008 3:32:17 pm
no i meant
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akram_Khan_(dancer)
this akram khan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akram_Khan_(dancer)
this akram khan
#106 Posted by peonofthewest on April 23, 2008 3:46:24 pm
Re: # 86
masadi saab
You haven't read a single book in your life how can you comment on 5? Regarding the medicine, the doctor told you to shove it in your a$$ twice daily and hope for the best- listen to his advice you goddamned idiot....]
I have read all of yours saab and didn't spend a single rupee either saab, clever no? they werenot worth that any way saab
as for the medicine saab, on the suppository it says "for masadi saab's ass only" saab, not for general human consumption saab
masadi saab
You haven't read a single book in your life how can you comment on 5? Regarding the medicine, the doctor told you to shove it in your a$$ twice daily and hope for the best- listen to his advice you goddamned idiot....]
I have read all of yours saab and didn't spend a single rupee either saab, clever no? they werenot worth that any way saab
as for the medicine saab, on the suppository it says "for masadi saab's ass only" saab, not for general human consumption saab
#107 Posted by jang on April 23, 2008 4:55:32 pm
hanh..and what better way to teach LCM than thru teental?
#108 Posted by nkg on April 23, 2008 10:22:52 pm
Re: # 91
Masadi:
Regarding english....ignore it...
Read these URLs. Sati was not practised before barbarians arrived from middle East and Afg...It was never practised in Tamilnadu, Southern Karnataka, Kerala and Assam. Incidentally these areas were never ruled by moslems!!!!
Guru Nanakdev was founder of Sikhism (1st half of 15th century). He was from Punjab...
You repeat the same sentences without any evidence...
Indian GDP started downfalling from islamic invastion onwards, which ended in 1992.
Mathematics and medical science were greatest casualty of islamic invastion. Search for Boudhayana and Indian mathematics in Google...
You should explain your PUSH and PULL.
Reasons for large scale migration
1) Economy - Mexicans migrating to USA
2) Nature - Shifting of Indus valley civilisation towards East
3) Socio-political - Jews migrated to India due to Roman and Arab barbarism, Parsis migrated to India (after the fall of Sasanid empire) to avoid arab/muslim barbarism...
Masadi:
Regarding english....ignore it...
Read these URLs. Sati was not practised before barbarians arrived from middle East and Afg...It was never practised in Tamilnadu, Southern Karnataka, Kerala and Assam. Incidentally these areas were never ruled by moslems!!!!
Guru Nanakdev was founder of Sikhism (1st half of 15th century). He was from Punjab...
You repeat the same sentences without any evidence...
Indian GDP started downfalling from islamic invastion onwards, which ended in 1992.
Mathematics and medical science were greatest casualty of islamic invastion. Search for Boudhayana and Indian mathematics in Google...
You should explain your PUSH and PULL.
Reasons for large scale migration
1) Economy - Mexicans migrating to USA
2) Nature - Shifting of Indus valley civilisation towards East
3) Socio-political - Jews migrated to India due to Roman and Arab barbarism, Parsis migrated to India (after the fall of Sasanid empire) to avoid arab/muslim barbarism...
#109 Posted by masadi on April 23, 2008 10:33:09 pm
arjun writes "brit colonialism = bad
arab colonialism = benevolent"
We have been through this many times before here and you don't have feet to stand upon so you construct your own straw man. The 'muslim' conquest of India is not called colonialism by historians (other than the guru historian wannabes) because it was qualitatively different to that practiced by the British. I have never said that "conquest" was good, merely showed you that your claims of barbarism are misplaced and contrived and constructed and I give facts to support that assertion. Defining the conquest in terms of the religion of the conquerors is also disingenuous and based on your bigotry alone- I have not done that for the British bastards even though they flooded India with Christian missionaries to pacify the masses.
Nkg: go fool someone else. The practice of Sati predates even the advent of the prophet in the 7th century- Read some real historians and not some guru shitheads...
CreateAlpha: you know nothing about Islam so might as well shut up regarding its "logic"- the Quran is the most rational, internally consistent rendition the world has seen, you just don't have the brains or the morality to either understand it or do it justice, so shut the F up fool.
Peon: all you can do is lie and copy the insults of your opponents, even in that you're unoriginal and a peon. Go F yourself.
arab colonialism = benevolent"
We have been through this many times before here and you don't have feet to stand upon so you construct your own straw man. The 'muslim' conquest of India is not called colonialism by historians (other than the guru historian wannabes) because it was qualitatively different to that practiced by the British. I have never said that "conquest" was good, merely showed you that your claims of barbarism are misplaced and contrived and constructed and I give facts to support that assertion. Defining the conquest in terms of the religion of the conquerors is also disingenuous and based on your bigotry alone- I have not done that for the British bastards even though they flooded India with Christian missionaries to pacify the masses.
Nkg: go fool someone else. The practice of Sati predates even the advent of the prophet in the 7th century- Read some real historians and not some guru shitheads...
CreateAlpha: you know nothing about Islam so might as well shut up regarding its "logic"- the Quran is the most rational, internally consistent rendition the world has seen, you just don't have the brains or the morality to either understand it or do it justice, so shut the F up fool.
Peon: all you can do is lie and copy the insults of your opponents, even in that you're unoriginal and a peon. Go F yourself.
#110 Posted by masadi on April 23, 2008 10:38:13 pm
nkg: and the fool thinks that I was talking about large scale migration of millions from Iraq to India- not to mention that your simplistic explanations are quite pathetic, the one that blames the Muslims for the falling GDP of India until 1992 is especially halarious.
#111 Posted by majumdar on April 23, 2008 10:39:45 pm
Masadi sahib,
(but on seeing the Taj Mahal I will certainly be able to view the grandeur of the Muslim period)
If GWB or Mushy were to divert billions of dollars to build the tomb of their dead spouse, you wud call that waste of public money. But I presume you wud have a diff standard for Shah Jehan.
Incidentally if the Mughals instead of wasting public money on tombs and all had invested in technological development India wudn't have fallen to the Brits. And Mr. Shah Jehan began the abandonment of the Hindoo-Muslim alliance which Akbar had began and this was to later destroy the Mughal Empire and result in British Raj in India.
Pls. think about it. Before going into raptures over the Mughals, esp the later ones.
Regards
(but on seeing the Taj Mahal I will certainly be able to view the grandeur of the Muslim period)
If GWB or Mushy were to divert billions of dollars to build the tomb of their dead spouse, you wud call that waste of public money. But I presume you wud have a diff standard for Shah Jehan.
Incidentally if the Mughals instead of wasting public money on tombs and all had invested in technological development India wudn't have fallen to the Brits. And Mr. Shah Jehan began the abandonment of the Hindoo-Muslim alliance which Akbar had began and this was to later destroy the Mughal Empire and result in British Raj in India.
Pls. think about it. Before going into raptures over the Mughals, esp the later ones.
Regards
#112 Posted by majumdar on April 23, 2008 10:41:42 pm
Nkg moshai,
(Indian GDP started downfalling from islamic invastion onwards, which ended in 1992. )
What ended in 1992? Islamic invasion? Or the falling Indian GDP?
???
Regards
(Indian GDP started downfalling from islamic invastion onwards, which ended in 1992. )
What ended in 1992? Islamic invasion? Or the falling Indian GDP?
???
Regards
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