Pervez Hoodbhoy April 21, 2008
#63 Posted by masadi on April 24, 2008 1:19:28 am
The wannabes write "Masadi,
due to your constant whining, we have decided to support your application for an American visa..."
Go F yourself, PH needs your visa services I do not.
due to your constant whining, we have decided to support your application for an American visa..."
Go F yourself, PH needs your visa services I do not.
#62 Posted by masadi on April 24, 2008 1:18:57 am
The wannabes write "Masadi,
due to your constant whining, we have decided to support your application for an American visa..."
Go F yourself, PH needs your visa services I do not.
due to your constant whining, we have decided to support your application for an American visa..."
Go F yourself, PH needs your visa services I do not.
#61 Posted by jayp on April 24, 2008 1:18:26 am
Re: # 58
Masadi,
If your book is so well read, can you provide the name so that we all can benefit.
Skip this request if the book is about suicide wests, which no doubt changes peoples lives.
Masadi,
If your book is so well read, can you provide the name so that we all can benefit.
Skip this request if the book is about suicide wests, which no doubt changes peoples lives.
#60 Posted by masadi on April 24, 2008 1:17:23 am
The a-hole writes "I confirm that Pakis are indeed stupid and pliargism is a norm there even at the highest level, and Dr Atta ur Rehman is definitely not an exception. After all, he claims to have written sixty books and hundreds of research articles. Who knows and who have the courage to ask him how much pliargism he himslef has done...."
And how do you know all this, let us have access to your research and your scales of "stupidity" which you have deciphered using a cross section random sample of the Pakistani population to conclude that "pakis are indeed stupid and plagirism is the norm" Further, just because someone has written 60 books does not mean he has plagirised them. A-holes like you who make big claims without any evidence or even an attempt at evidence contribute to the tabloid "shit" that is produced by the tons every year. The luxury of elitist basic science" for the sake of curiosity at the expense of public funds, at public institutions of higher learning just cannot be tolerated when the basic needs of the public are not being met. Every newbie fool who starts posting here having not a clue about anything, let alone "science", and making unscientific generalizations, thinks he's God's gift to humanity. You kind are a dime a dozen here, you think people think highly of your sh**.
And how do you know all this, let us have access to your research and your scales of "stupidity" which you have deciphered using a cross section random sample of the Pakistani population to conclude that "pakis are indeed stupid and plagirism is the norm" Further, just because someone has written 60 books does not mean he has plagirised them. A-holes like you who make big claims without any evidence or even an attempt at evidence contribute to the tabloid "shit" that is produced by the tons every year. The luxury of elitist basic science" for the sake of curiosity at the expense of public funds, at public institutions of higher learning just cannot be tolerated when the basic needs of the public are not being met. Every newbie fool who starts posting here having not a clue about anything, let alone "science", and making unscientific generalizations, thinks he's God's gift to humanity. You kind are a dime a dozen here, you think people think highly of your sh**.
#59 Posted by shobig_sifar on April 24, 2008 1:10:56 am
A pelletron accelerator for research on nuclear and particle physics? This must go down as one of the best jokes in science history books.
It is indeed an irony, the way these hard earned billions have gone down the drain. Everybody knows the fate met by the Cockraft Walton accelerator installed at CASP, GCU Lahore, and that was just a donation, but nobody learnt a lesson. Their focus seems to be on sheer quantity while no significant enhancement in quality of research being conducted in Pakistan is visible. Heck, i'd say it's rather deteriorated over recent years.
It is indeed an irony, the way these hard earned billions have gone down the drain. Everybody knows the fate met by the Cockraft Walton accelerator installed at CASP, GCU Lahore, and that was just a donation, but nobody learnt a lesson. Their focus seems to be on sheer quantity while no significant enhancement in quality of research being conducted in Pakistan is visible. Heck, i'd say it's rather deteriorated over recent years.
#58 Posted by masadi on April 24, 2008 1:07:21 am
Viewer writes "After all, millions of books are written every year that only desereve to be binned and if you contributed to that junk who cares.
"
And without reading any of it how did you come to the conclusion you miserable dimwit (PH hiding behind the viewer nick and tooting your own horn). Unlike you and PH, my report on the state of education in Pakistan was circulated among all universities in Pakistan, my books 8 years after publication, a couple of them, rank higher on amazon several times a year than even the mainstream books after 2 years, people here respect my writings and I have changed multiple lives. You on the other hand are a sellout a-hole, have no clue about social structure leave alone the structure of our society and pontificate using your BS and now lacking the balls to reveal yourself hide behind the viewer nick- Hoodbhoy go F yourself!
"
And without reading any of it how did you come to the conclusion you miserable dimwit (PH hiding behind the viewer nick and tooting your own horn). Unlike you and PH, my report on the state of education in Pakistan was circulated among all universities in Pakistan, my books 8 years after publication, a couple of them, rank higher on amazon several times a year than even the mainstream books after 2 years, people here respect my writings and I have changed multiple lives. You on the other hand are a sellout a-hole, have no clue about social structure leave alone the structure of our society and pontificate using your BS and now lacking the balls to reveal yourself hide behind the viewer nick- Hoodbhoy go F yourself!
#57 Posted by US-elite on April 24, 2008 12:18:43 am
Masadi,
due to your constant whining, we have decided to support your application for an American visa.
We promise to facilitate your rehabilitation and subsequent release back into the wild.
Take care and don't bite anyone as it may be contagious.
The US Elite
due to your constant whining, we have decided to support your application for an American visa.
We promise to facilitate your rehabilitation and subsequent release back into the wild.
Take care and don't bite anyone as it may be contagious.
The US Elite
#56 Posted by viewer on April 23, 2008 9:03:35 pm
Prof. Hoodbhoy writes at the end of his artcile:
"It is now time for parliament to carry out a full and complete public inquiry into the irresponsible and crazy policies that have hitherto been the hall-mark of decision-making."
I request to ask him if he really thinks that our parliament can really do this job. I believe that even if the parliament starts a public enquiry into the "accelerator deal" the only outcome will be that some more pockets of corrupt higher ups will be filled by the public money.
"It is now time for parliament to carry out a full and complete public inquiry into the irresponsible and crazy policies that have hitherto been the hall-mark of decision-making."
I request to ask him if he really thinks that our parliament can really do this job. I believe that even if the parliament starts a public enquiry into the "accelerator deal" the only outcome will be that some more pockets of corrupt higher ups will be filled by the public money.
#55 Posted by viewer on April 23, 2008 8:24:59 pm
Re: # 30
Charlie writes:
"I have two questions to ask. To Pervez Hoodbhoy: I know you are a well reputed researcher in the west. Can you please enlighten me if your reearch work has some application for third world nations like Pakistan? If no, Can you please stop crying as your research is as wasteful to Pakistani resources as this new machine. And same question goes to HEC and HEJ chief. For last eight years, you have been sitting on top. Show me one technological breakthough that might have affected the life of a common Pakistani with the all money spent on useless research. Even those auto-mechanics , who find the ways to LPG cylinders in rickshaws, have served the country more than your thousands papers cited several thousand times."
Re: Dear Charlie,
I think the objective of doing basic science is not to improve the quality of living for ordinary people. From this viewpoint basic science is indeed useless as you have said, unless it leads immediately to benefit industry and applied science.
However, I think this argument is still not sufficient to say that basic science should not be done at all, as you have said. Some people will always like to do that even when they remain hungry and starved. But, as you have implied, the practice of pure science of course cannot be funded from the pockets of poor masses of Pakistan, half of those lack access to clean water and required number of calories in daily diet.
Charlie writes:
"I have two questions to ask. To Pervez Hoodbhoy: I know you are a well reputed researcher in the west. Can you please enlighten me if your reearch work has some application for third world nations like Pakistan? If no, Can you please stop crying as your research is as wasteful to Pakistani resources as this new machine. And same question goes to HEC and HEJ chief. For last eight years, you have been sitting on top. Show me one technological breakthough that might have affected the life of a common Pakistani with the all money spent on useless research. Even those auto-mechanics , who find the ways to LPG cylinders in rickshaws, have served the country more than your thousands papers cited several thousand times."
Re: Dear Charlie,
I think the objective of doing basic science is not to improve the quality of living for ordinary people. From this viewpoint basic science is indeed useless as you have said, unless it leads immediately to benefit industry and applied science.
However, I think this argument is still not sufficient to say that basic science should not be done at all, as you have said. Some people will always like to do that even when they remain hungry and starved. But, as you have implied, the practice of pure science of course cannot be funded from the pockets of poor masses of Pakistan, half of those lack access to clean water and required number of calories in daily diet.
#54 Posted by viewer on April 23, 2008 8:00:37 pm
Re: # 40
NangaPir (what a fantastic name) writes:
"The irony is that Atta ur Rehman wrote a small booklet on NMR in which he reproduced pages from other books especially of rotating and stationary frames/co-ordinates math. Chemical spectras and their resonance frequencies were just cut and paste. And he is prosecuting people for pliargism. What is going on? Are people in Pakistan are so stupid?"
I confirm that Pakis are indeed stupid and pliargism is a norm there even at the highest level, and Dr Atta ur Rehman is definitely not an exception. After all, he claims to have written sixty books and hundreds of research articles. Who knows and who have the courage to ask him how much pliargism he himslef has done.
NangaPir (what a fantastic name) writes:
"The irony is that Atta ur Rehman wrote a small booklet on NMR in which he reproduced pages from other books especially of rotating and stationary frames/co-ordinates math. Chemical spectras and their resonance frequencies were just cut and paste. And he is prosecuting people for pliargism. What is going on? Are people in Pakistan are so stupid?"
I confirm that Pakis are indeed stupid and pliargism is a norm there even at the highest level, and Dr Atta ur Rehman is definitely not an exception. After all, he claims to have written sixty books and hundreds of research articles. Who knows and who have the courage to ask him how much pliargism he himslef has done.
#53 Posted by viewer on April 23, 2008 7:45:04 pm
Re: # 40
NangaPir writes:
"How a paupper state has the luxury to spend hard earned money to do research in quark's polarization when its own people have no access to clean water?"
This is indeed a real point. Please first fix the QAU toilets, teach the QAU students how to use toilets, provide them with clean water, and provide them some better opportunities to have their lunches than those slum feeding places notoriously known as "huts" which are the only options for the students' lunches. These eating places are also excellent locations for getting infected with diarrhea and hepatitis A and B.
Match this real situation at QAU with “Pelletron accelerator” being installed there. Then they wonder why people don’t like to work there on Pelletron-accelerator-type projects, and instead opt to leave their homeland.
NangaPir writes:
"How a paupper state has the luxury to spend hard earned money to do research in quark's polarization when its own people have no access to clean water?"
This is indeed a real point. Please first fix the QAU toilets, teach the QAU students how to use toilets, provide them with clean water, and provide them some better opportunities to have their lunches than those slum feeding places notoriously known as "huts" which are the only options for the students' lunches. These eating places are also excellent locations for getting infected with diarrhea and hepatitis A and B.
Match this real situation at QAU with “Pelletron accelerator” being installed there. Then they wonder why people don’t like to work there on Pelletron-accelerator-type projects, and instead opt to leave their homeland.
#52 Posted by viewer on April 23, 2008 7:22:36 pm
I had a recent opportunity to visit QAU, which included visiting some of its hostels.
I continue to wonder while HEC approves 400 million Rupees for buying fancy machines for QAU, can some of its officials have an chance to visit any toilet any where in QAU departments or hostels.
S/he will find broken flushes everywhere and obnoxious toilet smell even when you happen to be 500 meters away. I am not sure whether the same is the case inside HEC building.
This is the real situation of this University where best Physics research seems to be produced and where "accelerators" are being installed.
Could the officials of HEC (and the maintenance sections of QAU as well) please pay their attention to the meagre issues of fixing their toilets first, while the illegitimate import and the installation of “accelerator” is being carried out there.
I continue to wonder while HEC approves 400 million Rupees for buying fancy machines for QAU, can some of its officials have an chance to visit any toilet any where in QAU departments or hostels.
S/he will find broken flushes everywhere and obnoxious toilet smell even when you happen to be 500 meters away. I am not sure whether the same is the case inside HEC building.
This is the real situation of this University where best Physics research seems to be produced and where "accelerators" are being installed.
Could the officials of HEC (and the maintenance sections of QAU as well) please pay their attention to the meagre issues of fixing their toilets first, while the illegitimate import and the installation of “accelerator” is being carried out there.
#51 Posted by viewer on April 23, 2008 6:47:45 pm
Prof. Riazuddin writes:
"Nobody, including Dr Hoodbhoy, was against buying the accelerator per se. But what we were concerned about was whether one can make a sensible programme for its use."
I am quite surprised to read this especially when it comes from a very senior scientist of Pakistan.
Instead of a "sensible programme" deciding which equipment should be imported within the meager resources of a poor country, Riazuddin seems to have had endorsed (by finally putting his signatures) that this expensive equipment will somehow lead to the creation of some "sensible programme".
Knowing the realistic situation regarding the scientific manpower in the country, I think Prof. Riazuddin should not have had endorsed purchasing the accelerator even when his arms were being twisted (as it seems to be the case) by Dr MubarakMand and Dr Ishfaq Ahmed --the powerful guys of Pakistani weak science infrastructure.
"Nobody, including Dr Hoodbhoy, was against buying the accelerator per se. But what we were concerned about was whether one can make a sensible programme for its use."
I am quite surprised to read this especially when it comes from a very senior scientist of Pakistan.
Instead of a "sensible programme" deciding which equipment should be imported within the meager resources of a poor country, Riazuddin seems to have had endorsed (by finally putting his signatures) that this expensive equipment will somehow lead to the creation of some "sensible programme".
Knowing the realistic situation regarding the scientific manpower in the country, I think Prof. Riazuddin should not have had endorsed purchasing the accelerator even when his arms were being twisted (as it seems to be the case) by Dr MubarakMand and Dr Ishfaq Ahmed --the powerful guys of Pakistani weak science infrastructure.
#50 Posted by viewer on April 23, 2008 4:33:28 pm
Re: # 35
masadi writes:
"you have no clue about any of my thousands of posts and multiple articles that I have contributed on chowk...."
Re:
dear masadi saab,
I have a sincere advice for you.
The factual situation is that like me no one bothers what you write or say so please keep on wasting your life.
When PH says something many people, as can be witnessed by the counter records on his articles, read and listen as he has some valid point to us to ponder.
If I haven't given a d**n to what you have ever written apart from your recent post, don't think I am ever going to do that by your boasting of having written thousands of comments and "books". After all, millions of books are written every year that only desereve to be binned and if you contributed to that junk who cares.
masadi writes:
"you have no clue about any of my thousands of posts and multiple articles that I have contributed on chowk...."
Re:
dear masadi saab,
I have a sincere advice for you.
The factual situation is that like me no one bothers what you write or say so please keep on wasting your life.
When PH says something many people, as can be witnessed by the counter records on his articles, read and listen as he has some valid point to us to ponder.
If I haven't given a d**n to what you have ever written apart from your recent post, don't think I am ever going to do that by your boasting of having written thousands of comments and "books". After all, millions of books are written every year that only desereve to be binned and if you contributed to that junk who cares.
#49 Posted by peonofthewest on April 23, 2008 3:54:10 pm
Re: # 42
masadi saab
You haven't read a single book in your life how can you comment on 5? Regarding the medicine, the doctor told you to shove it in your a$$ twice daily and hope for the best- listen to his advice you goddamned idiot....]
I have read all of yours saab and didn't spend a single rupee either saab, clever no? they werenot worth that any way saab
as for the medicine saab, on the suppository it says "for masadi saab's ass only" saab, not for general human consumption saab
the copy paste on many sites saab, because your skull is very thick saab
masadi saab
You haven't read a single book in your life how can you comment on 5? Regarding the medicine, the doctor told you to shove it in your a$$ twice daily and hope for the best- listen to his advice you goddamned idiot....]
I have read all of yours saab and didn't spend a single rupee either saab, clever no? they werenot worth that any way saab
as for the medicine saab, on the suppository it says "for masadi saab's ass only" saab, not for general human consumption saab
the copy paste on many sites saab, because your skull is very thick saab
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