Where Billions Vanish

Nangapir "How a paupper state has the luxury to spend hard earned money to do research in quark's polarization when its own people have no access to clean water? "

It is called window dressing mastered by the peons of the West in power positions as they imitate their masters, in the case of Pakistan, the Pakistan Army's dictators. Look at the state of women in Pakistan, illiteracy, maternal mortality, status within the family, life expectancy etc- the real indicators that need to be changed and what do these peons do? They give a dozen females motorbikes and make them traffic constables, give a handful of females some chinese fighter jets and make them fighter pilots and poof with this window dressing the entire problem of female status differentials is fixed overnight.....genius aint it? Maybe if GWB had learnt from his slaves he could have hired a few folk to manufacture WMD in Iraq after they landed there...........

peon writes "masadi saab, all your books keep repeating the same thing saab"

Why are you copy-pasting the same shit on multiple boards? Like I said in response, you haven't read a single book in your life because your masters have kept them out of your hands, how then can you comment on 5?

In addition to (from #41)

"Maybe if GWB had learnt from his slaves he could have hired a few folk to manufacture WMD in Iraq after they landed there..........."

To give that fool (GWB) the benefit of the doubt, he test marketed it on several occassions (this manufacture of WMD), as Fox news declared on several occassions with interviews and photos and what not, the people just didn't buy it, so they gave up the idea.............

as Fox news declared on several occassions with interviews and photos and what not that WMDs had been found- push them hard enough and they will defend that assertion even today!

So this bhootbhoy is now reduced to griping over budget allocations.

Abey chutya bhootbhoy, get your priorities right, and stop complaining. You're not the only one who's right all the time. Learn! You were the one who was supporting bombings of Pakistan's own people. And now you want budget allocations?

Fuck off is the only advice I can give you.

#30 Posted by Charlie,

Even those auto-mechanics , who find the ways to LPG cylinders in rickshaws, have served the country more than your thousands papers cited several thousand times.

Very well said indeed.

#30 Posted by Charlie,

Even those auto-mechanics , who find the ways to LPG cylinders in rickshaws, have served the country more than your thousands papers cited several thousand times.

Very well said indeed.

#45 Posted by zeemax on April 23, 2008 8:23:41 am

jihadi rodent: go sell some scissors or something..fucking paki government baabu

Re: # 42

masadi saab

You haven't read a single book in your life how can you comment on 5? Regarding the medicine, the doctor told you to shove it in your a$$ twice daily and hope for the best- listen to his advice you goddamned idiot....]

I have read all of yours saab and didn't spend a single rupee either saab, clever no? they werenot worth that any way saab

as for the medicine saab, on the suppository it says "for masadi saab's ass only" saab, not for general human consumption saab

the copy paste on many sites saab, because your skull is very thick saab

Re: # 35
masadi writes:

"you have no clue about any of my thousands of posts and multiple articles that I have contributed on chowk...."

Re:

dear masadi saab,
I have a sincere advice for you.

The factual situation is that like me no one bothers what you write or say so please keep on wasting your life.

When PH says something many people, as can be witnessed by the counter records on his articles, read and listen as he has some valid point to us to ponder.

If I haven't given a d**n to what you have ever written apart from your recent post, don't think I am ever going to do that by your boasting of having written thousands of comments and "books". After all, millions of books are written every year that only desereve to be binned and if you contributed to that junk who cares.

Prof. Riazuddin writes:

"Nobody, including Dr Hoodbhoy, was against buying the accelerator per se. But what we were concerned about was whether one can make a sensible programme for its use."

I am quite surprised to read this especially when it comes from a very senior scientist of Pakistan.

Instead of a "sensible programme" deciding which equipment should be imported within the meager resources of a poor country, Riazuddin seems to have had endorsed (by finally putting his signatures) that this expensive equipment will somehow lead to the creation of some "sensible programme".

Knowing the realistic situation regarding the scientific manpower in the country, I think Prof. Riazuddin should not have had endorsed purchasing the accelerator even when his arms were being twisted (as it seems to be the case) by Dr MubarakMand and Dr Ishfaq Ahmed --the powerful guys of Pakistani weak science infrastructure.

I had a recent opportunity to visit QAU, which included visiting some of its hostels.

I continue to wonder while HEC approves 400 million Rupees for buying fancy machines for QAU, can some of its officials have an chance to visit any toilet any where in QAU departments or hostels.

S/he will find broken flushes everywhere and obnoxious toilet smell even when you happen to be 500 meters away. I am not sure whether the same is the case inside HEC building.

This is the real situation of this University where best Physics research seems to be produced and where "accelerators" are being installed.

Could the officials of HEC (and the maintenance sections of QAU as well) please pay their attention to the meagre issues of fixing their toilets first, while the illegitimate import and the installation of “accelerator” is being carried out there.

Re: # 40
NangaPir writes:

"How a paupper state has the luxury to spend hard earned money to do research in quark's polarization when its own people have no access to clean water?"

This is indeed a real point. Please first fix the QAU toilets, teach the QAU students how to use toilets, provide them with clean water, and provide them some better opportunities to have their lunches than those slum feeding places notoriously known as "huts" which are the only options for the students' lunches. These eating places are also excellent locations for getting infected with diarrhea and hepatitis A and B.

Match this real situation at QAU with “Pelletron accelerator” being installed there. Then they wonder why people don’t like to work there on Pelletron-accelerator-type projects, and instead opt to leave their homeland.

Re: # 40
NangaPir (what a fantastic name) writes:

"The irony is that Atta ur Rehman wrote a small booklet on NMR in which he reproduced pages from other books especially of rotating and stationary frames/co-ordinates math. Chemical spectras and their resonance frequencies were just cut and paste. And he is prosecuting people for pliargism. What is going on? Are people in Pakistan are so stupid?"

I confirm that Pakis are indeed stupid and pliargism is a norm there even at the highest level, and Dr Atta ur Rehman is definitely not an exception. After all, he claims to have written sixty books and hundreds of research articles. Who knows and who have the courage to ask him how much pliargism he himslef has done.

Re: # 30
Charlie writes:

"I have two questions to ask. To Pervez Hoodbhoy: I know you are a well reputed researcher in the west. Can you please enlighten me if your reearch work has some application for third world nations like Pakistan? If no, Can you please stop crying as your research is as wasteful to Pakistani resources as this new machine. And same question goes to HEC and HEJ chief. For last eight years, you have been sitting on top. Show me one technological breakthough that might have affected the life of a common Pakistani with the all money spent on useless research. Even those auto-mechanics , who find the ways to LPG cylinders in rickshaws, have served the country more than your thousands papers cited several thousand times."

Re: Dear Charlie,
I think the objective of doing basic science is not to improve the quality of living for ordinary people. From this viewpoint basic science is indeed useless as you have said, unless it leads immediately to benefit industry and applied science.

However, I think this argument is still not sufficient to say that basic science should not be done at all, as you have said. Some people will always like to do that even when they remain hungry and starved. But, as you have implied, the practice of pure science of course cannot be funded from the pockets of poor masses of Pakistan, half of those lack access to clean water and required number of calories in daily diet.

Prof. Hoodbhoy writes at the end of his artcile:

"It is now time for parliament to carry out a full and complete public inquiry into the irresponsible and crazy policies that have hitherto been the hall-mark of decision-making."

I request to ask him if he really thinks that our parliament can really do this job. I believe that even if the parliament starts a public enquiry into the "accelerator deal" the only outcome will be that some more pockets of corrupt higher ups will be filled by the public money.