Where Billions Vanish

Re: # 128
"I am of the impression that Masadi sahib was saying just the opposite of what you are imputing to him."

I disagee completely. Pls refer to # 122 again.

His "such equipment" is which I have referred to as "any equipment which bullies think is good for a Physics deptt for dumping purpose"

Viewer,

Pls read his next sentence : "even $1 spent extra than is needed by a drowning nation is a $1 misspent"

This suggests that Masadi sahib disapproves of purchase of superfluous equipment.

Regards

Re: # 130
"even $1 spent extra than is needed by a drowning nation is a $1 misspent"

I have no disagreement with is fragment, but it does not mean that I approve other fragments, or that I approve all.

Pls refer to:

"What is the goddamned use of physics departments and PH when neither students nor professors can use such equipment to do research?"

Here "such equipment" means "the equipment which is dumped without prior feasibility reports and studies done in the favour of its purchase by the experts in the same country who are expected to use the equipment in future" and not just any "superfluous equipment".

If this Maseedi guy is against the purchase of (any) superfluous equipment then tomorrow all hospitals should be banned from buying their life-saving machines as they are after all superfluous equipments.

Viewer,

Why do you consider life-saving machines superfluous???

And he has a point as to the rationale of buying scientific equipment which will not be used and khao jang as they say.

Regards

Re: # 132
Pls read my message again.

What exactly is the point that you are conveying?

1.That Masadi sahib favours the import of useless equipment.

Or

2. That he is opposed to import of equipment which is necessary in your opinion.

Regards

Re: # 134
pls read first the article "Where Billions Vanish" and the 133 comments that have been made. You will find the answer. Don't waste my time.

Viewer writes "O fool, so you are saying that it is OK that decision makers and bullies of this ill-fated country should keep on dumping the impoverished Physics departments with any equipment which they think is good "

Long before this idiot Viewer made his first post on this thread by copying my post # 19, in which I wrote:

#19 Posted by masadi on April 22, 2008 12:50:53 am
There are a million ways of legitimizing theft by the peons of the West when they get crumbs from their masters who dumb their useless, outdated, bogus industrial surplus that will do not even perform the function it was originally designed to perform, like those F-16s, the second hand ones with no air defense penetration capability and big (radar)signatures on them saying destroy us before we get a chance to fly- costing at the bare minimum $40 million a piece- you can bet your assets that the generals who approve such contracts are on the payroll of Lockheed Martin as they suck the blood of the Pakistani people. When I was teaching at the govt university the dept head had formed a great lucrative partnership with an HEC professor in order to get research grants in the millions after writing two page research proposals in bad english. Then he was dumping 4 classes on me of 60 students each, everyday and paying me Rs 25000 a month/ $390 a month, all included (after his initial offer of Rs 10,000 a month/month, $158, as salary while fleecing the people of millions- this is how they destroy this nation, and the money flows out to their white masters for such useless equipment and research that has not changed one life.
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Now after reading this and perverting my comments to pursue his narrow agenda of "bitching for no purpose but axe grinding", viewer/PH tries to save face, proving himself to be a certified idiot who cannot understand simple prose. And for your kind information, nobody threw me out of the US, I have been back since I returned and go there at will whenever I choose...

Re: # 136
I have no disagreement to what you have said in your post # 19 and neither have I cited this post anywhere in my posts to show a disagreement. Please indicate my post # where I have made a citation to your post # 19.

Announcement:

In his post # 136 the interactor Masadi accuses the interactor Viewer of the following:

"Viewer made his first post on this thread by copying my post # 19"

In post #137 Viewer requests Masadi to kindly indicate the Viewer's post # where Viewer has shown his disagreement with Masadi's post #19 and have made a citation to Masadi's post #19. The interactor Masadi disappears from the scene.

Announcement:

In his post # 136 the interactor Masadi accuses the interactor Viewer of the following:

"Viewer made his first post on this thread by copying my post # 19"

As the records show Viewer's first post is numbered as # 15 and there is no way that the Masadi blame on Viewer as

" Viewer made his first post on this thread by copying my post # 19"

can be possible, as 15 is after all less than 19.

Conslusion:

Masadi does not know what he is talking about.

Viewer...
Have anybody tried to investigate the defence deals? Education department is part of society and they are also vulnurable to such kind of social problem. When, people have started hating school teachers for their practice of tution. Teachers reacted sharply. Why teachers should be seen as high moralprofessional? If everybody have the right to earn extra money why not teachers? Don't people of Pakistan pay bribe to police?
Procurement and kickbacks are very common practice in India too. That is reflection of our society as a whole.

Re: # 141

Hi nkg,

As far as I am aware of it, the article "Where Billions Vanish" and the subsequent 140 interactions do not addresses the matter of whether malpractices amongst teachers are less or equally justifiable as it is the case in other professions.

I think the points being raised in this article are the following:

a) It is not right to start a major project in science, which involves purchasing expensive equipment from the US and the West or elsewhere, using public money without some serious prior studies of project’s technical feasibility and without full participation of those scientists who would be expected to be involved in the project and who will use the purchased equipment for their research.

b) It is not right for the decision makers of a major project to use their power and influence to trick or bully the senior scientists in order to get their endorsement for their own wrong decisions.

c) It is not right for decision makers to use their power, influence, and their bullies in order to suppress the opinions of disagreeing scientists, especially when a nation-wide meeting of scientists is called to endorse “their” decision for starting a major project.

It was before HEC came into existence,that I had to go to KU for some work concerning someone very dear to me.Near the inside, of one of the gates, where I was waiting, I overheard some university students talking.They were lamenting the fact that the atmosphere for research at the university was poor, wanting, and not at all supportive.For many of the professors they had dissappointment to show. They were praying for PhDs in each and every department of the university, at least one in each department.Now there is HEC.PhDs are being churned out,checks and balances of quality are being exercised.There are still many departments of many Pakistani universities without a single PhD, but the dream has begun, and its turning into reality is quite possible.Having said that, lets, what the heck, support HEC.At least encourage it to provide and place at least one PhD Professor in each department of all the universities of Pakistan; where he would be able to be a good guide and mentor to his research scholars, drawing upon his own research experience.HEC must not form just a favorite nexus lumped with PhDs;doing elaborate research work on predetermined favorite topics, which feed international quest but not indigenous quest, but anyhow draw heavily on indigenous information. They consume billions of dollars and make our universities look like research outsourcing for international research study LABS.

Re: # 143

The positive contributions of HEC towards Pakistani higher education should, of course, be recognized and appreciated.

However, this is not the same thing as to approve everything which HEC does.

To appreciating good things that HEC has done does not mean to close our eyes to many wrong decisions it has made.

We also cannot ignore many wrong policies which it has followed and is still following.