Dumbing Down Parliament....Again!

Makes absolute sense. The bitter fact that 97 % of our society is under graduate does not provide enough justification to wave off any pre qualification criteria as far as the membership of the most prestigious legislative bodies of the country are concerned. It sounds ironic and ridiculous considering we need to have prerequisite qualification to hold any other position in the government and even private sector

Let me start with a hypothetical criterion of B.A. degree for voters as well. I bet that Jamaat-e-Islami is gonna win more than 30 percent of the contests in Pakistan. So much for the necessity of Bacheolar degree for elected representatives!!!

In parliamentary system, most elected parlimentarians are just numbers - to vote on the party lines; the agenda is set by the kitchen cabinets, inner circles and higher party office holders.

Re: # 2
Interesting. What about Tehreek - e - Insaaf's prospects?

What was wrong with the Military. They're a ready-made highly trained and educated bureaucracy.....oh yeah but sorry I forgot the Pakistani public consists mainly of traitors, thieves, criminals and prostitutes hankering for democracy.... Zardari is by far exactly what Pakistan deserves.

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Leadenwinter,

(What was wrong with the Military)

Not much really except:

Losing three wars against India.
Alienating and later losing one half of the country.
Inflicting the jihadi and sectarian virus in the country.
Making the country an American stooge without any perceptible benefit for the common masses.

Regards

I know this is a waste but let me say this anyway. We accept that Bachelor's degree should be mandatory for running for an office. Would you now accept that only College grads should be allowed to vote also?

There has to be some equilibrium somewhere. Why should someone with a degree be elected by uneducated voters? The voter and the candidate should have the same minimum qualifications.

Issues like this are supported by people who have no interest in democracy or the rule of law. They would accept a non graduate army officer to break the law and the constitution but will not accept a poor or uneducated person to run for an office in a legal way!

What qualification???

Probably pakistan had the most educated pakistani as the prime minister, shoukat aziz and he did not provision a single rupee in investment in the electricity sector. Reason, the pak economy grew too fast...

If that is what the best education d9oes to teh top executive in the country...well one has to look at something very different..the paki mind and how the education gets used.

One can even see this phenomenon in the case of pakis born in the UK and wonder how they end up as bombers..

Education and pakistan..

It was the best minds of the pak military that organised the kargill invasion

It was the best minds of the pak military that supported talibanisation

should I keep going better not. Pka military has the best resources, best training facilities ..you name it,

still that is what the pak minds come up with.

Pakistans problem is created by the educated and not by the illiterate.

It should be reasonable that only the illiterate should be elected to pak parliment...things could improve.

Hamid saab,

Here is a question for you from a karachi father. Tell him that there is no point in education of teh metriculate type in pakistan.

Advice him to send the child to a madrass, which can lead him to become a jihadi war lord, bank rober or the like or a general in the military.




What to gift


MY 16-year-old son is appearing for his matriculation examinations these days. To encourage him to pass his examinations with excellent grade, I thought of promising him to gift him a cellphone.

But with the ever-increasing cellphone snatching incidents in Karachi these days, most of which go unreported, I thought not to present him a cellphone and risk his life.

My next consideration was to buy him a motorbike but as reported in your newspaper (April 24) that a student of Class X while returning home after his matriculation examination was intercepted by two youths in Lyari who tried to snatch the motorbike from him. The student resisted the robbery attempt and the scuffle resulted in a shootout in which two schoolgirls, aged six and eight, were killed.

The new government is in place but the law and order situation in Karachi and elsewhere in the country is getting from bad to worse. If our prime minister, Yusuf Raza Gilani, can order the release of deposed judges through verbal instructions, why can’t he question those responsible for maintaining law and order in Karachi? The present government will not last long if the law and order situation continues to deteriorate.

M. RAFIQUE ZAKARIA

cart before the horse syndrome.

In a democracy, education perse should not be the judge of the suitability of a person to be a preresentative in a legislative body. A restriction of this sort will make a mockery of democracy.

Always seraching for an utopia which will solve all your problems....the searc is for a superman. There is no such superman. Something has gone wrong horribly here. Or have Macaulay's chickens come home to roost?

O please!!! save me the drama..

The last government of Pakistan was the most educated in terms of educational degrees. And look the kind of rut they have left us in...

To require a Bachelor degree for becoming a MNA of 60% illiterate but shrewd voters -- is not only stupidly elitist -- but positively fascistic and degradingly contemptuous of the "Awaam".

However the necessity of the removal of this clause as the first most urgent priority through the SC illegal judges -- without waiting for the reinstatement of the SC legal judges shows -- that from now on Pakistan priorities will circle around a self-appointed, Matriculate godfather instead of a self-appointed Bachelor dictator. What an improvement. Bravo!

I think all prospective MNAs/Senators should have to sit an IQ test like the top multinationals use [in either Urdu or English] and anyone who gets less than 120 shouldn't be allowed to become an MNA/Senator.

Don't want thickos to run a country. Therein lies the flaw in democracy---even a clown can become elected if enough fools vote for him.

If my last post sounds elitist then I don't apologise--human society is naturally heirarchical and to pretend otherwise in some far-left liberal bullshit is just stupid. 'The rule of the proletariat'--that's the dumbest crap ever spewed by an intelligent person. How does coming from the working class make u better qualified to rule? (I am from working class origins myself so have nothing against the working class per se.)

I think if the bachelors degree qualification was good--except it should be upgraded to Bachelor's with a GPA of 3.5 or more.

fired from the hip with little clue of reality.
given the quality of graduates coming out of colleges there's no point in having this law. such a law does not exist in france or england or for that matter the US. the role of a legislator is to represent his constituents and that means he/she needs to come from "there". we had graduates for 5 years....2002 till 2007....can you please remind me Mr. Siddiqui of what legislative genius came out of that exercise?

Re: # 4
"the Pakistani public consists mainly of traitors, thieves, criminals and prostitutes hankering for democracy".

What is Leadenwinter? Is that a name or a thing? Reform yourself RAW agent, and don't forget to take home all the call-girls you sneaked in through Wagha.

PS: who gave YOU birth nobleman?

Re: # 5
Mr. Siddiqi,
The surname implies that you're associated with those who speak the truth.

Answer this appropriately (interact #4 "forgot the Pakistani public consists mainly of traitors, thieves, criminals and prostitutes hankering for democracy")

You cannot be so oblivious fishing in CaliFORNIa.

Re: # 8
Bombers from LTTE sent Rajiv to pieces. Concentrate on your own country. Stay sane...

Re: # 18

Tahir,

Re:and don't forget to take home all the call-girls you sneaked in through Wagha.))

You never told us your sister works on both sides of the border.

Regards

The US Elite

Re: # 21
Keine morons, war es Ihre lebende Schwester ein doppeltes Leben auf beiden Seiten des Randes!

It appears that a certain kangaroo has changed its name to 'USeless Elite' and regularly stoops to abusing the sisters of the CHOWK editors.

Re: # 23

Tahir,

What Kangaroo?

Now you speak in riddles as well as German sir.

Regards.

The US Elite

Re # 18

Unlike being informed by the idiotic islamic semi-literate rubbish you incessantly spew Mr. Tahir, I am merely informed by objective common sense.

The Pakistani public are indeed traitors, thieves, criminals and prostitutes... hankering for democracy as prompted by their own lack of moral fibre and incitement by their friends in the US...in the same cargo-cult-like manner they hanker after mobile phones, MTV and other western consumer goods/lifestyle..

Democracy is requisite to the Pakistani elite and middle classes, as it is in effect authorisation and solicitude for them to perpetrate the corruption and manifest the criminality as well as the general ineptitude and administrative malpractice that Pakistan is world-famous for.

Democracy is well and truly in this case.. "by the people for the people"...

This is precisely why Benazir and her husband, both known and proven criminals (by courts other than, as well as Pakistani Courts.. i.e Spain and the UK to name a few ) were readmitted into the country. This is why Navaz Sharif, a known and proven criminal, also brother to a known and proven murderer was allowed to stand for public office.

This is the only and exclusive basis for these previous elections.

Pakistanis only want democracy because it allows them to be Pakistanis as compared to being human beings.

The quality of leadership the people of Pakistan hanker after .. (evidenced by the numbers that responded when Benazir turned up and Sharif's popular support ) .. reflects only the quality of the people of Pakistan... as traitors, thieves, criminals and prostitutes.

These are truths we shall have to admit to and address before any progress can be made.

No amount of education of the leadership can ever result in any improvement. It is every member of the public who has to be educated before democracy can ever work, (if indeed democracy is even nessessary). This is a point which has been proved by every European democracy, which only very gradually allowed adult franchise to different social demographics.

Before that day comes only a dictatorship can work as suffering only thing muslims understand.

Re: # 25
Well Mr. Leadhead,

You're guidance comes from your brain cells: common sense. We Muslims have Divine Guidance no matter where we live. Living amongst criminals, traitors and call-girls has done irrepairable damage to your common sense because you see the entire world full of such characters.

Don't you live in this world? Since you're an Indian, why don't you mind your business and sort out your own problems first. An Indian agent like yourself must stay fit but I'm afraid too much hatred directed against a neighbouring country and its people will kill you very soon.

Rest in peace.

Re#26
I wonder by where in your infinite muslim wisdom did you conclude that I was an Indian.. ?

(re:#17)A reality check for you big rump, yes an elected representative represents his/her constituents but it would really help if the representative has the intellectual capacity to comprehend and proactively address issues that are being faced. People like you are the problem of this country since you want to keep the status quo while bitching in online forums. grow up. I'm no supporter of the past rulers but think back to the last 20 years of Pakistan history. which was the period in these years where Pakistan prospered the most? don't give me bullshit reasons like 'it was american support, the war on terror, blah blah blah' facts are facts, no matter what extenuating circumstances. educated legislators are better than illiterate ones, if you deny this, then you're a simpleton.

And Lederhosen or whatever the hell you are, the only traitor, prostitute, asswipe etc here is you. You ask why tahir thinks you're indian? we can all smell the heeng in here.

Re #26 and #28

Its interesting that all you people can produce is these half baked, essentially ad-homonym statements, rather than even attempt to rebut what I say in any rational fashion.

I think this is either because you're totally immature people with no real idea about anything or totally immoral individuals who will go to any lengths to reconcile their essentially petty bourgeoisie/pro-western cargo-cultic aspirations with the disgraceful travesty that Pakistan has become.

The very reason by which you find yourself resenting what I say is the very reason the nation is in the state it is.

Re #29

you're asking for a rational rebuttal to an offensive, generalised, virulent, spiteful and generally ignorant comment like "I forgot the Pakistani public consists mainly of traitors, thieves, criminals and prostitutes"?

You're clearly a frickin' half-wit.

And by the way; using vocabulary that you obviously gleaned after using the 'synonym' option of Microsoft Word only reinforces the popular perception in this forum that you're the worst kind of pretentious imbecile out there.

You say; "I think this is either because you're totally immature people with no real idea about anything" Buddy, its obvious that 'think'ing is hardly amongst your strongest virtues.

If only your dad had been 'think'ing about birth control.

Now, since I've effectively ripped you a new asshole, (quite rationally too I might add,) do yourself and everyone a favour and please bugger off.

Again.. I may be whatever I am.. a pretentious imbecile etc etc.. that's not what I'm seeking to defend, all of which nevertheless has nothing to do with what I'm saying, though I must say nothing of the impotent likes of you can effectively rip anything as far as I'm concerned.

If you are capable (which I doubt) of setting aside your idiocies, I would like you to address the fact that removal of the educational requisites for our Parliamentarians is essentially the creation of a leeway for criminals to run the country. This reflects the quality of the electorate who choose this, foreseeably only to allow for their criminality to prosper as lackeys and vassals of their masters.

You thus must be a criminal if you support this.

General Leadenwinter,

(removal of the educational requisites for our Parliamentarians is essentially the creation of a leeway for criminals to run the country. )

It was the highly educated Gen Yahya Khan and highly educated ZAB who broke up the nation in 1971. It was the highly edducated military genius Zia who Islamised Pakistan and lost Siachen. It was the military genius Mushy who nearly lost all of NWFP for Pak.

Regards

Re #32
So the solution......lets hand the country over to known and proven criminals, who also happen to be illiterate as well....... Truly Brilliant

Leadenwinter,

It is by no means proven that YRG and his gang are known and proven criminals. Fondling a (consenting) collegaues boobs in public is no big deal.

The man who was in power before (mushy) OTOH was a certified criminal who is responsible for a military coup (treason punishable by death under Pak laws) and massacre of innocent citizens in FATA and in Lal Masjid.

Regards

re # 31

Testimonials regarding my potency and ability to rip new bodily orifices can be aquired from miscellaneous female members of your immediate and extended family. Ask and Ye shall recieve.

As for your main point which I guess was masked by your ineptitude to state your case in a logical and respectful manner; I agree wholeheartedly with the author that educational restrictions need to be in place to qualify for parliament, however I disagree that not having this restriction in place will allow for criminals to run the country. dumbasses probably, but being a dumbass does not mean you're a criminal.(which is probably why you're still free)

and as to your parting shot; a fallacy. You're inducing a certain conclusion without a supporting premise based on fact. As usual, your uncanny ability to talk out of your ass amazes one and all.