My Most Memorable Journey

#21
Ranjitji,

What a cogent and factual thoughts .These words are not meant to be hidden in an obscure chatroom but to be widely propagated amongst all Indo Pak forums at all levels.Not a single sane hindustani/pakistani is going to disagree.

Keep up the good work Ranjitji.

Ranjitji,

What a cogent and factual thoughts .These words are not meant to be hidden in an obscure chatroom but to be widely propagated amongst all Indo Pak forums at all levels.Not a single sane hindustani/pakistani is going to disagree.

Keep up the good work Ranjitji.

Re: # 41 Ustad Sarahand was court musician at Kabul,beautiful voice. I have mentioned earlier. He use to sing many times Hindustani bols along Pushtu bols and it always worked. He has beautiful devotional bandish in Yamn raga.....Rama baran... This is beautiful bandish quite popular with many sung by Hirabai with her beautiful voice. He was specially honored by Joshi by inviting him to "elite" musical featival in India.
Now your idea Elite college is different than mine. Now IIT or LMSS are ok not bad but problem is they have work hard and also in future work hard.
In real elites college people go to make a statement. They study light subject and they just go as getting to know future rulers by family connection. People who earn money by hardwork can not be elite. Elite is somebody who does not go to study but to socialize. Generally you have problem in India as that all little , no nothing people are getting in power.Their eliteness is phony. Real elites never have to worry how to earn. Now your IIT man / women ( what % are they in IIT at your time and now ?) are nor real elite as they have to work and they have to earn so they are affected if their job lost. .I am for women not not such number which exceed more than 30% in colleges. I am against giving admission just by scores as then women will start dominating colleges by number. My tution experience women students are good but man students are not cost effective and they think they are smart.
There must be colleges where likes of Gandhis, and new leaders children go . Now I need gofor walk but elites is different perception here and there. Like Mrs Gandhi's daughter Mrs Vadera never went to school, some body came to teach her probably or Indiara Gandhi or Mrs Bhutto are real elites they never went to get job. That was good of you to give url , I enjoyed. M Day has good voice. His relative uncle ( K C Dey) was blind but genes are similar. Probably higher age like DM may recall KC Dey. bye. I will some time my idea about who is elite. Good day

Re:ajeya#33
Yaar, why are u so angry with me?....Maine aapka kya bigaara hai?.....if it makes u happy, i salute u as the superior person of superior caste....i am just a lowly sindhi whose grandfather came to India in 1947.....happy now?

Madani sahab,

The IITs are elitist but in a different sort of way. The only way to get in is through an extremely tough competitive exam called JEE (Joint Entrance Exam). Lakhs of people take the test, but only several hundred can get in. There is no back door policy for any politician or elite to get their kid into it. It is entirely merit based. The only exception are the SC/STs who get reservation. The government is now broadening the reservations for other backward castes by increasing the overall seats. But no matter what, everyone gets in via the test.

Once you are in the institution, the elitism comes from the fact that everyone is a top performer from their school. So it is a highly intense, competitive environment. There are a few liberal arts courses that you need to take but mostly it is very rigorous technical education. People outside are in awe of IIT students since it is a collection of the best students in the country.

The good thing is that a lot of IIT students are staying back now or returning back to India, opening businesses and contributing back to Indian society. So the IIT elitism is not resented but welcomed by everyone. It adds to the brand value of India.

By the way, I found some recordings of an outstanding Afghan classical music singer - Ustad Sarahang. He trained in Patiala Gharana and died in the eighties. He was very famous in India, Afghanistan and Pakistan in those days. Please listen to his Raag Lalit and Raag Multani -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evGRe-CIAPQ

and

http://www.youtube.com /watch?v=oQPUtGYeBZM&feature=related

Re: # 39 Thanks mr. Ranjit I will do that.
I some times feel is it right to enjoy culture.
? Is is too elitist ?
Some times feel arts should be elementary elemental so all uninformed even farm labor can enjoy art. The problem with too sofesticated things is most can not understand or intelligent enough to understand and appreciate. Some time things work better with nonelites by choosing common denominator.The thing to appreciate you need understanding , maturity and to appreciate culture one should be cultured. All above things are difficult most of times. This leads to ellitist tendancies which ovbiously wrong attitudes.
One should not be elitist but at same time ignorance is bliss is other extremist.
Problem with ellitist is it makes you unhappy instead of happy.Music and maths are elitist subjects , when I was ignorant was happy and then I begin to understand little began to feel ,began to feel lot , then I really began understand more and then felt I knEw nothing.
I wonder if IIT college are very elitist ( like ned or lahore management science) and have contempt for other colleges ? Or by self concious IIT students are in defensive mood.
In india heard they are doing good by opening thousands of colleges and bringing elite colleges down. Some times greed works well and saved India as education industry is one of high return industry. There is democratization they say (in India)as every member of national assembly has his medical college. P A assembly members has engg college and muncipal elected officials have science and arts colleges.mOST MAKE HUGE MONEY BY SELLING EXAMS 24 HOURS BEFOR.
iT LOOKS all elite people like BB, Bilawal and rajiv, rahul gandhis elites always take economics and politics from foreign countries. Is freign education considered elite and gives age in real things like job and better spouce. Is there lot of corrouption and politicians childen pushed in IIT to get advantage and social status ? Do they teach light subjects BA and masters inh like hindi/urdu, ethinic studies, religious studies etc. I have heard all Indians hate IIT elites but same time want to go there.
THanks sorry for diversion. I will hear now as suggested.

Madani sahab,

Since you enjoy Bhimsen Joshi, check this out -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pa4DxacG7Sw

Its Raag Basant Bahar with Bhimsen Joshi and Manna Dey....

#13

'Its so bad Pakistani govt. issues visa with a condition'
Asfik visa is issued by the host country to visitors.In your case its India Govt ristriction unless you r given RESTRICTED passport by pakistan govt.
partition was' much inhuman insanity driven monster created in political forum lab '.

Thank u r self if you have means to visit....
many thousands of ppl. have died on death bed reminiscing of past childhood spent across the borderor or... longing for people dead for them even before death

Saman Abbasi,

This was a worthy effort towards half a story.

The other half waits perhaps for another time.


On another note I second Ranjit Mian's effort here.

Whenever Indians and Pakistanis leave their egos out

of their interactions, they do discover what they

have in common.

Re: # 34

eklavy saab you didnot reply saab. i am sorry i had to get your attention saab

I asked eklavy saab that zeemax munafiq saab says he has had sex recently with women in muscat. I say that is wrong but eklavy saab say it is ok as the girls had good time too.

i ask as Islam stops us from comitting "zina" why it is ok for zeemax to have sex and not others saab?

this is what zeemax saab says
{"Yaar forget it. I just fucked half a dozen hindoo wenches in three holes each last week in Bahrain, Dubai and Muscat. This idiot just wants one Muslim right? So all I'm saying is go ahead and do it."}

this is the conversation with eklavy saab that i had and then he did not reply to,

eklavy saab,

the question was not about what individuals got out saab

question is about moral value saab

for example, is it ok saab if i have sex with zeemax's sister saab without marrying her saab?

as long as she has good time saab and i guarantee that saab

is zeemax saab happy about that saab? you should check with him saab

what is good for him saab is goo for me saab

then he should not bring Quran e Majid into this saab as Quran e Majid clearly talks of this as a moral issue saab and not just individual matter of having good time saab

maybe zeemax saab can reply as i want to make sex with his sister and if i can go ahead or not saab

all i want to know saab if it is ok for zeemax to drink alcohol and have sex outside marriage then why cannot the ordinary man and woman in my country.

there seem to be double standards, no??

Ranjit bhai,

I will not get into the debate of whether Pakis are Ummahites more than desis or the vice versa. Enuff has been said on both sides. Let us just leave it to the Pakis themselves and accept their decision of where they see their future.

Regards

ajeya # 33, that's just personal nonsense. You know you can do better than that.

Ranjit has a clear argument, which we can accept or reject - that our primary groupings are formed on very human bases of shared language, culture, land, genealogy etc, not religious beliefs or associations. Or that the former can ultimately erase (or narrow) distances created by the latter.

That's all he is saying, and there isn't a reason to totally dismiss that idea. Probably we can arrive at some kind of compromise that allows both these types of demarcations and associations to work simultaneously....

#30 Ranjit (Got into IIT without Quota)

[Mohar says - "Leave pakis alone"

Yaar, if you want to leave them alone, why do u come to chowk every day and take pangas with them? Its the same BS that paki uber-nationalists put out that they want to move away from India, even as they go home and watch bollywood movies and listen to himesh reshmaiyaa.

If u went to chinese and iranian web sites as well, then I can buy your argument....but if u only go to paki sites, you are not exactly taking the lead to "leave them alone".... ]

I think all Indian interactors would do well to listen to what Ranjit has to say. To begin with, he did not get into IIT on a quota. So don't even bring that up. He got in fair and square. This proves that what he is saying is right. If you don't agree with him, it is probably because you yourself did not get in, and even if you did, you got in on a quota, and therefore he is right and you are wrong.

And don't bring up caste. He has already said that he did NOT get in on a SC/ST quota. So don't even try!

Re: # 29

Yep, there you go... pakis are already on their way into bedouin sisterhood, dream is finally coming true...

And here we have this hanood, Ranjit, dragging them back with his figment of "similarities"... Ha!!!

ranjit

what are you now - tahmed32?... :)

dude, it's not about me, it's about them, pakis... I am fine with whoever pakis want be sisters with... if they wanna be with hinoods, fine... if they wanna be with bedouins, fine too...

Your insistence on "simillarities" with hanoods drives them nuts... your intention is good, but these people don't see it that way... this "we are same" sentiment from hanoods has been singular reason for why pakis are such a paranoid and insecure bunch... it would be ok if it they leave it like that - but they have chanelled it into all kinds bigotry and jihad against hanoods and india...

Get it?... now stop fooling around with these fools...

As per why I am here - for one, to drive pakis fully into bedouin sisterhood - not that they need any inspiration from anybody... and it's also fun to watch them twist and turn to make that happen...

Mohar says - "Leave pakis alone"

Yaar, if you want to leave them alone, why do u come to chowk every day and take pangas with them? Its the same BS that paki uber-nationalists put out that they want to move away from India, even as they go home and watch bollywood movies and listen to himesh reshmaiyaa.

If u went to chinese and iranian web sites as well, then I can buy your argument....but if u only go to paki sites, you are not exactly taking the lead to "leave them alone"....